Intel's responses to AMD Ryzen with i7 7740K and i5 7640K

[Notional]

35 minutes ago, Ensho said:

These are part of the new X299 line up due out later this year.  It was already mentioned that there was going to be a few 4 core X299 parts that had people confused.  These parts more than likely were already in the line up and are not a reaction to Ryzen.

 

http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-7740k-core-i5-7640k-amd-ryzen/

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Wait, what? Why would anyone use a quad core CPU on such a platform? Makes no sense. AMD is going to wreck Intel, if they keep doing stupid crap like this. how utterly useless. Do they even have more PCI lanes then? I guess not.

[WMGroomAK]

54 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Intel is bringing i5 chips to the enthusiast line with their new 7640k and 7740k CPUs.  Click the link in the description to learn more.

 

OK but seriously, why are they bringing mainstream chips to the enthusiast platform, the should be doing the opposite and bringing 6 cores to Z270!

The best I can figure is that they want more X299 boards to sell so they can later sell you on their higher end processors.  Of course Intels whole naming/numbering scheme for their processors is spinning out of control in my opinion.  

[Ensho]

36 minutes ago, Notional said:

Wait, what? Why would anyone use a quad core CPU on such a platform? Makes no sense. AMD is going to wreck Intel, if they keep doing stupid crap like this. how utterly useless. Do they even have more PCI lanes then? I guess not.

Yes, they will.  The article said so.  The only difference will be a slight bump in clock speed along with quad channel memory and more pci-e lanes.

 

Like you, I hope AMD really delivers...but I've seen this hype train before.  Given the price leaks, start bracing yourself for a ho-hum parity, though at this point parity with Intel is a good thing.  Ryzen being better is doubtful though.

[MageTank]

39 minutes ago, Notional said:

Wait, what? Why would anyone use a quad core CPU on such a platform? Makes no sense. AMD is going to wreck Intel, if they keep doing stupid crap like this. how utterly useless. Do they even have more PCI lanes then? I guess not.

Perhaps it's marking the dawn of Intel bridging both the Consumer and Prosumer/Enthusiast platform into a single entity? One huge advantage AMD has with Ryzen, is that it's all a single unified platform. You buy the platform, and every CPU from that lineup works in it. With Intel, they have a layer of obfuscation involved. People often get confused with Haswell vs Haswell-E, or Broadwell vs Broadwell-E, etc. 

 

I highly doubt this is the case though. Something tells me these will just be used as stop-gaps or niche single-thread CPU's for that platform. 

[WMGroomAK]

31 minutes ago, MageTank said:

Perhaps it's marking the dawn of Intel bridging both the Consumer and Prosumer/Enthusiast platform into a single entity? One huge advantage AMD has with Ryzen, is that it's all a single unified platform. You buy the platform, and every CPU from that lineup works in it. With Intel, they have a layer of obfuscation involved. People often get confused with Haswell vs Haswell-E, or Broadwell vs Broadwell-E, etc. 

 

I highly doubt this is the case though. Something tells me these will just be used as stop-gaps or niche single-thread CPU's for that platform. 

I would agree with that doubt.  It appears to me that Intel is further dividing up their platform by having at least three separate main sockets...  I think a good future question is going to be whether they are going to keep the Xeon processors on LGA 2066 or are they going to move all of those over to LGA 3647.

[leadeater]

4 hours ago, MageTank said:

Perhaps it's marking the dawn of Intel bridging both the Consumer and Prosumer/Enthusiast platform into a single entity? One huge advantage AMD has with Ryzen, is that it's all a single unified platform. You buy the platform, and every CPU from that lineup works in it. With Intel, they have a layer of obfuscation involved. People often get confused with Haswell vs Haswell-E, or Broadwell vs Broadwell-E, etc. 

 

I highly doubt this is the case though. Something tells me these will just be used as stop-gaps or niche single-thread CPU's for that platform. 

AMD still has the Ryzen server lineups but as you said unlike Intel AMD is sticking to a single chipset/platform for the desktop market, where Intel cross-breeds with the server chipset/platform.

 

I can't see Intel moving everything up to the server based chipset due to the pretty much mandatory 3 year cycle on that, but then Intel might be looking at changing how often they update the desktop platform chipset due to the node shrink slow downs and the unlikeliness this will ever pick back up in pace again.

[raphidy]

This would make sense that they are lga 2066 there have been rumors since last summer of a unified platform. Kaby lake X and Skylake X on 2066.

[ESPImperium]

The only way the 4C/4T and 4C/8T variants would make sense to me on the LGA2066 platform is if they were the entry level, as id be interested in them as if i need to upgrade in the future to more cores and threads for productivity i could quite easily with a CPU upgrade. At the moment I'm weighing up a change to X99 and the only thing that would stop me is the fact that X299 is on the way. I know that i could take X99 with a price drop, but id like to have a more up to date feature set and use things I've liked on Skylake.

 

However, i always think that Intel on the consumer side needs to make the i7 range one with two 6C/6T and a 'Enthusast' 6C/12T variant as well. If Intel want to crush AMD, they need to overhaul their Product Line Up as its all over the place, just see the Wan Show this week and Linus Rant.

[HyeonU]

Honestly hope AMD wins this, they introduced so much tech to us but intel and nvidia took it and made it better, they deserve a win here. Wouldn't mind going team red for once!!!!!!!!!!

[themaniac]

hmm, so they did end up giving the i5 ht

[Humbug]

LOL, so Intel is changing sockets again.

 

One of the appeals of Ryzen is that the in development next gen Zen+ cores we also be compatible with the same AM4 motherboards.

[Space Reptile]

5 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

TDP is upped to 100W

haha looks like there in Panic mode  

 

[DocSwag]

Check the French source. Guru3D screwed up some of the facts. If you check canard the 7740k is 100 MHz higher putting it at 4.3ghz base. Guru3D somehow interpreted this as 200 MHz higher and somehow thought the 7700k had a 4 ghz base clock speed.

[rjfaber91]

4 minutes ago, Humbug said:

LOL, so Intel is changing sockets again.

 

One of the appeals of Ryzen is that the in development next gen Zen+ cores we also be compatible with the same AM4 motherboards.

To be fair to AMD, that isn't a new thing. The last few years have been a bit of a clusterfuck of different sockets, but before the FM sockets and AM1 came along, AMD could claim to have their entire lineup of desktop CPUs use the same socket, and making those sockets last a hell of a lot longer than Intel as well, with backwards compatability being a standard feature for both AM2+ and AM3+.

[Misanthrope]

X299...even though the logical progression should have been x199....

 

Spoiler

 

Seriously fuck this naming conventions: In this aspect both companies are equally fucking retarded.

[Armakar]

I don't see this taking off. Clocking an i5 higher and giving it hyperthreading hardly appeals to me to buy these 'new' chips, just seems like we're already being thrown kaby lake refresh bullshit.

 

Hope AMD knock a massive amount of the CPU market off Intel, would love to see those price gougers lose stock value.

[zMeul]

7 minutes ago, Humbug said:

LOL, so Intel is changing sockets again.

this is not news,

the existence of the x99 successor and a new LGA package was known for quite a while

[rjfaber91]

3 minutes ago, zMeul said:

this is not news,

the existence of the x99 successor and a new LGA package was known for quite a while

It's not news, but you can set your clock to it. "So I'll meet you in ten minutes?" "Yes. I'll know it's time when Intel changes sockets again"...

[Kobz360]

Strange to see i5's and non extreme edition i7's on a traditionally high end chipset/larger socket (assuming this X299 is the sucessor to X99)

[zMeul]

5 minutes ago, rjfaber91 said:

It's not news, but you can set your clock to it. "So I'll meet you in ten minutes?" "Yes. I'll know it's time when Intel changes sockets again"...

X99 is an aging platform

the darn thing has PCIe gen 2 and DMI 2.0 - compare that to 100 and 200 series chipsets

 

AMD will have it's own socket for Naples chips

[NumLock21]

Retoast

 

[Misanthrope]

So I can get a competitively priced i5 HT probably for less than the 7700k....on a platform where entry level basic motherboards are going to be more expensive than this chip?

 

 

[Brooksie359]

6 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

So I can get a competitively priced i5 HT probably for less than the 7700k....on a platform where entry level basic motherboards are going to be more expensive than this chip?

 

 

the only reason i could see this as appealing is if you were planning on upgrading to a 6 or 8 core i7 down the road. 

[dfsdfgfkjsefoiqzemnd]

19 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

X299...even though the logical progression should have been x199....

Not really.  X99 was launched in august 2014, at which point Z97 was the mainstream platform.

There has been no enthusiast platform during the H110 - Z170 days

Now we're at B250 - Z270 for the mainstream , so X299 makes perfect sense. 

[Misanthrope]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

the only reason i could see this as appealing is if you were planning on upgrading to a 6 or 8 core i7 down the road. 

Well....I mean maybe. But the reason people can buy i3s (though not after the G4560 of course) and then upgrade is because they are cheap and cheap motherboards come with it that can still reasonably support a 7700 (non k) and offer a very substantial upgrade.

 

This to me makes about as much sense (zero) as the i3 K chip: Sure you can save a few bucks on the chip but need a really expensive motherboard to go with it....like at that point nobody should fucking get it instead of a cheap Z270 + 7700k which knowing the prices of this boards would probably set you back as much money, henceforth defeating the purpose of the X299 i5