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Looking for a production monitor for video editing and color grading

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Anyone know a good production monitor that meets the following requirements?

FHD resolution

Minimum 10-bit signal processing

17-24 inch in size

Reputable brand

And most importantly, doesn't cost an arm and a leg.


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1 minute ago, Fr0sty22 said:

are you just using it for production no gaming

 

It's for video editing.


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1 minute ago, Fr0sty22 said:

b/c if so you could buy a 4k tv for around $350 to $450 maybe even cheeper i dont look at 4k stuff so

 

I'm not looking for something that's consumer grade.  I want a professional production monitor for video editing.


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6 minutes ago, Fr0sty22 said:

how much what you mean by arm and a leg

 

Something within a reasonable price, not costing like $20,000.

5 minutes ago, Fr0sty22 said:

That is a consumer monitor.  Production monitors look something like this

elvid_ocm_10_psm_10_1_lcd_pro_monitor_11

 

Or this

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So I'm not very familiar with production monitors, but just from searching around a bit I managed to find this:

 

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=210-AHCI

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-U2413-LED-Lit-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B00BN2BIUK/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1486072895&sr=1-2&keywords=dell+u2413

 

The amazon page says its being discontinued, but it is a FHD monitor with 99% Adobe RGB for under $500. 

 


 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, BallisticPeanut said:

So I'm not very familiar with production monitors, but just from searching around a bit I managed to find this:

 

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=210-AHCI

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-U2413-LED-Lit-Discontinued-Manufacturer/dp/B00BN2BIUK/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1486072895&sr=1-2&keywords=dell+u2413

 

The amazon page says its being discontinued, but it is a FHD monitor with 99% Adobe RGB for under $500. 

 

None of those are production monitor.  Look up the definition of a "Production Monitor" before recommending consumer monitors.


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1 minute ago, AbrahamoLincolni said:

None of those are production monitor.  Look up the definition of a "Production Monitor" before recommending consumer monitors.

Probably should have, I see what you mean now. 


 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, BallisticPeanut said:

Probably should have, I see what you mean now. 

Consumer monitors like the ones you recommended are unable to display scopes, waveforms, parade, histograms of their own.  I can use the ones in Premiere's Lumetri Scopes panel but I want to also have a monitor capable of displaying their own to make comparisons.


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11 hours ago, AbrahamoLincolni said:

Anyone know a good production monitor that meets the following requirements?

FHD resolution

Minimum 10-bit signal processing

17-24 inch in size

Reputable brand

And most importantly, doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

If you want a true production monitor, the minimum I would recommend will be something like this:

ViewZ VZ-215PM-P, costs around $1800.

https://viewzusa.com/broadcast/vz215pmp.html

 

I would prefer a JVC, Panasonic, Canon or Sony model but they can be expensive.

 

You can also use something like a Atomos Shogun monitor with a BlackMagic UltraStudio Mini Monitor.


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4 hours ago, AkiraDaarkst said:

If you want a true production monitor, the minimum I would recommend will be something like this:

ViewZ VZ-215PM-P, costs around $1800.

https://viewzusa.com/broadcast/vz215pmp.html

 

I would prefer a JVC, Panasonic, Canon or Sony model but they can be expensive.

 

You can also use something like a Atomos Shogun monitor with a BlackMagic UltraStudio Mini Monitor.

ok I will have a look at that one. I was considering the SmallHD Production Monitors but they are very expensive.  How about this one from Sony, the LMD-2110W?


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31 minutes ago, hummbug95 said:

Something like this?

https://www.amazon.com/ColorEdge-CS2420-Calibration-1920x1200-CS2420-BK/dp/B01BMD8R2G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1486152363&sr=8-1&keywords=Eizo+CS2420

16:10 ratio, 10 bit panel, 1200p and not "to expensive" 860 usd on amazon

As far as I have heard, Eizo is a reputable company 

Do you know what a production monitor is?


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24 minutes ago, AbrahamoLincolni said:

Do you know what a production monitor is?

Evidently not 

my bad

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1 hour ago, hummbug95 said:

Something like this?

https://www.amazon.com/ColorEdge-CS2420-Calibration-1920x1200-CS2420-BK/dp/B01BMD8R2G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1486152363&sr=8-1&keywords=Eizo+CS2420

16:10 ratio, 10 bit panel, 1200p and not "to expensive" 860 usd on amazon

As far as I have heard, Eizo is a reputable company 

Probably a more reasonable solution for video editing.

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8 hours ago, AbrahamoLincolni said:

ok I will have a look at that one. I was considering the SmallHD Production Monitors but they are very expensive.  How about this one from Sony, the LMD-2110W?

I didn't know about the LMD2110W, sounds like a good monitor for the price, but the inputs on it are not up to date and it's only 10-bit signal processing.  The screen is not a 10-bit panel.  I would rather have 3G-SDI minimum.  You will very likely not be wrong if you chose a SmallHD Production Monitor.  Or just get the ViewZ monitor I mentioned.  It's only $1900, pretty cheap compared to other monitors out there.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1056865-REG/viewz_vz_215pm_p_21_5_3g_sdi.html

 

If you want Sony this is the one I would recommend but it's OLED.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1015240-REG/sony_pvma170_17_professional_oled.html

 

36 minutes ago, hummbug95 said:

Evidently not 

my bad

A production monitor (they are also referred to as broadcast reference monitors) is different from a desktop computer monitor in that:

  • They come with various input types for video signals (SDI, HDMI, composite)
  • Displays timecode, vector scopes, histograms, waveforms, parades, audio levels, and other information regarding the video signal being sent to the monitor
  • Supports various frame rate standards
  • Can display safe area cages, focus peaking, false color, etc. as specified
  • Some models can be powered by an external battery unit making them portable
  • Conforms to various color standards

The two images posted by the OP above in one of his comments shows some examples of a production monitor.


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1 hour ago, AkiraDaarkst said:

I didn't know about the LMD2110W, sounds like a good monitor for the price, but the inputs on it are not up to date and it's only 10-bit signal processing.  The screen is not a 10-bit panel.  I would rather have 3G-SDI minimum.  You will very likely not be wrong if you chose a SmallHD Production Monitor.  Or just get the ViewZ monitor I mentioned.  It's only $1900, pretty cheap compared to other monitors out there.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1056865-REG/viewz_vz_215pm_p_21_5_3g_sdi.html

 

If you want Sony this is the one I would recommend but it's OLED.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1015240-REG/sony_pvma170_17_professional_oled.html

 

A production monitor (they are also referred to as broadcast reference monitors) is different from a desktop computer monitor in that:

  • They come with various input types for video signals (SDI, HDMI, composite)
  • Displays timecode, vector scopes, histograms, waveforms, parades, audio levels, and other information regarding the video signal being sent to the monitor
  • Supports various frame rate standards
  • Can display safe area cages, focus peaking, false color, etc. as specified
  • Some models can be powered by an external battery unit making them portable
  • Conforms to various color standards

The two images posted by the OP above in one of his comments shows some examples of a production monitor.

It definitely looks like the ViewZ monitor is going to be my best bet.

 

1 hour ago, hummbug95 said:

Evidently not 

my bad

Also I already have a 10-bit color monitor for my workstation, from Eizo.  The CG248-4K.


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On 2/3/2017 at 10:46 PM, AbrahamoLincolni said:

It definitely looks like the ViewZ monitor is going to be my best bet.

 

Also I already have a 10-bit color monitor for my workstation, from Eizo.  The CG248-4K.

Yep, the ViewZ is probably the one I consider the most budget friendly prod monitor.  It's not the best, it's probably not the most ideal.  But if you don't want to spend that much money, it's the cost friendly model with more up to date features.

 

I'm also looking for a new prod monitor to use in my studio and if I want one to help me with HDR editing/grading the only option viable is a $30,000 Canon model.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1278465-REG/canon_1827c002_dp_v2420_17_4k_uhd.html

 

or these from Sony

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1263941-REG/sony_pvm_x550_55_inch_4k_trimaster_el.html

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1288225-REG/sony_bvm_x300_2_bvm_x300_v_2_0_4k.html
 


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On 2/2/2017 at 4:39 PM, AbrahamoLincolni said:

Anyone know a good production monitor that meets the following requirements?

FHD resolution

Minimum 10-bit signal processing

17-24 inch in size

Reputable brand

And most importantly, doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

I LOVE Small HD! They make great stuff that is super durable so I'd recommend this if its in your price range: http://store.smallhd.com/store/2403-HDR-Production-Monitor

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14 hours ago, AkiraDaarkst said:

Yep, the ViewZ is probably the one I consider the most budget friendly prod monitor.  It's not the best, it's probably not the most ideal.  But if you don't want to spend that much money, it's the cost friendly model with more up to date features.

 

I'm also looking for a new prod monitor to use in my studio and if I want one to help me with HDR editing/grading the only option viable is a $30,000 Canon model.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1278465-REG/canon_1827c002_dp_v2420_17_4k_uhd.html

 

or these from Sony

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1263941-REG/sony_pvm_x550_55_inch_4k_trimaster_el.html

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1288225-REG/sony_bvm_x300_2_bvm_x300_v_2_0_4k.html
 

Woah!  Those monitors are expensive.

3 hours ago, mama_fluxus said:

I LOVE Small HD! They make great stuff that is super durable so I'd recommend this if its in your price range: http://store.smallhd.com/store/2403-HDR-Production-Monitor

I looked at the SmallHD production monitors but while they look nice I don't think I want to spend that much.  I just spent a ton on my new workstation.  That's why I think the ViewZ recommended to me by @AkiraDaarkst might be just right for my needs at the moment.


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11 hours ago, mama_fluxus said:

I LOVE Small HD! They make great stuff that is super durable so I'd recommend this if its in your price range: http://store.smallhd.com/store/2403-HDR-Production-Monitor

Except for one thing: I don't really see them as true Production monitors.  They are more like Field monitors.  Yes the SmallHD monitors are very bright, tough, and offers some pretty amazing features.  I'm not saying they are bad in anyway, except they also lack some features of Production monitors from brands like Sony and JVC which have some features that are oriented better towards studio/broadcast use.

 

Also, the HDR versions of the SmallHD production monitors are not something I would consider as true HDR monitors for people who want something for an HDR editing workflow.  I was chatting with one of their people about it a few days ago and their 1300, 1700, 2400, and 3200 series monitors do not really support Rec2020 color space.  You can send a video signal that was recorded or graded for Rec2020 but it will get mapped down to Rec709.  For a proper HDR editing workflow you need to be able to judge how the colors will look on a display that's capable of reproducing Rec2020 to some degree (if not 100% of it, but still larger than Rec709) because if you try to grade in HDR on SDR displays the colors will look washed out and if you assume that all you need to do is adjust things like increasing the saturation up then yes the colors will look nice on a non HDR display but when viewing on a true HDR display they can look oversaturated.


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