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Fabian Flaa
By Fabian Flaa
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About as far as I can throw them...

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1 hour ago, zMeul said:

if that's the excuse to combat my arguments, then we're done talking

 

change is good, but change for the sake of change is not

and if you followed what I said, and clearly you didn't, I have nothing against "robot cars" driving on their own roads

Then why are you so against self driving cars? I mean they have been around for less then 5 years on the roads so they won't be perfect. But they are A LOT better then human drivers.

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2 hours ago, zMeul said:

he wasn't driving, the car was on auto and he trusted it - that's the whole point, the autonomous caf failed and killed him

 

as for Musk ... I wonder why Tesla wasn't at least under scrutiny if not indicted for supplying a faulty product

"It is important to note that Tesla disables Autopilot by default and requires explicit acknowledgement that the system is new technology and still in a public beta phase before it can be enabled.........When drivers activate Autopilot, the acknowledgment box explains, among other things, that Autopilot “is an assist feature that requires you to keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times," and that "you need to maintain control and responsibility for your vehicle” while using it."- tesla 

 

my point still stands he should have been paying attention.

 

also by your logic then pilots shouldn't have to pay attention when their plane is flying on autopilot 

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5 hours ago, zMeul said:

so did Joshua Brown, now he's dead

1 casualty after 140 million miles.  Human drivers have one every 90 million.  So even though Tesla has multiple warnings that their autopilot is not fully autonomous yet and that drivers need to pay attention (which Joshua Brown didn't do), they already have a better track record than humans do. 

Also, the truck driver was found to be 100% at fault, so this fatality is due to human error.  If the truck had been autonomous, none of this would have happened. 

 

The whole case was investigated and Musk & Co. got a pat on the back for how safe the autopilot was, with merely a recommendation to add extra warnings about autopilot's current beta state.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Captain Chaos said:

1 casualty after 140 million miles.  Human drivers have one every 90 million.  So even though Tesla has multiple warnings that their autopilot is not fully autonomous yet and that drivers need to pay attention (which Joshua Brown didn't do), they already have a better track record than humans do. 

Also, the truck driver was found to be 100% at fault, so this fatality is due to human error.  If the truck had been autonomous, none of this would have happened. 

 

The whole case was investigated and Musk & Co. got a pat on the back for how safe the autopilot was, with merely a recommendation to add extra warnings about autopilot's current beta state.

 

 

It's all very well being pretty safe and all but how would you feel if a family member was killed in a no fault accident because some lazy rich person couldn't be bothered driving. It's fine make the decision to put yourself at risk but where do I get to vote?! just something to think about and I think it should be something that's voted on to decide wether it's legal because at the moment other road users don't have a say. I personally don't have a problem with it but I think there's some people who might and at the end of the day it's not just the owners safety it's the other drivers on the roads safety too.

 

also I don't actually know if there was a vote there may well have been but I don't think so.

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Yes I trust them, it's much better than actual humains drivers 

Tesla s : 

 

It's already in their cars, not a concept.

So true it hurts

 

 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, moderategamer said:

how would you feel if a family member was killed in a no fault accident because some lazy rich person couldn't be bothered driving

And how would you feel if a family member was killed in an accident because some drunk decided it was a good idea to drive himself?  No amount of monetary compensation is going to bring your family member back, assuming that the drunk driver can pay at all.  So you might as well choose the system where the least amount of people are killed. 

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13 minutes ago, Captain Chaos said:

And how would you feel if a family member was killed in an accident because some drunk decided it was a good idea to drive himself?  No amount of monetary compensation is going to bring your family member back, assuming that the drunk driver can pay at all.  So you might as well choose the system where the least amount of people are killed. 

That's why it's illegal to drink drive it's also still illegal to drink drive even if the car's autonomous but at least I'd have someone to blame you can't bring justice to a computer. 

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5 hours ago, KOMTechAndGaming said:

"It is important to note that Tesla disables Autopilot by default and requires explicit acknowledgement that the system is new technology and still in a public beta phase before it can be enabled.........When drivers activate Autopilot, the acknowledgment box explains, among other things, that Autopilot “is an assist feature that requires you to keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times," and that "you need to maintain control and responsibility for your vehicle” while using it."- tesla 

 

my point still stands he should have been paying attention.

 

also by your logic then pilots shouldn't have to pay attention when their plane is flying on autopilot 

more BS excuses

 

BETA transport products are tested by professionals in both emulated and simulated conditions and not on not knowing unwilling public

 

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problem 2

 

the autonomous car concept is based on A.I. taking full control of the vehicle while there is no human as back-up - the only people in the vehicle are passengers

 

the pilots are trained professionals with both real world experience and mandated simulator hours; while car drivers are amateurs who can get behind the wheel after passing very basic knowledge and aptitude tests

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2 minutes ago, zMeul said:

more BS excuses

 

BETA transport products are tested by professionals in both emulated and simulated conditions and not on not knowing unwilling public

 

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problem 2

 

the autonomous car concept is based on A.I. taking full control of the vehicle while there is no human as back-up - the only people in the vehicle are passengers

 

the pilots are trained professionals with both real world experience and mandated simulator hours; while car drivers are amateurs who can get behind the wheel after passing very basic knowledge and aptitude tests

but this still freaking stands, oh well i have a massive hard on for elon musk and tesla and the tesla model s

 

you need to maintain control and responsibility for your vehicle” while using it

 

oh well i have a massive hard on for Elon Musk and Tesla and the Tesla model s

 

 

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2 minutes ago, KOMTechAndGaming said:

but this still freaking stands 

 

you need to maintain control and responsibility for your vehicle” while using it

you sir are completely avoiding the point what autonomous vehicle is - it's a car that drives itself on a public road

the car is the driver

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1 minute ago, zMeul said:

you sir are completely avoiding the point what autonomous vehicle is - it's a car that drives itself on a public road

the car is the driver

i personally love the freaking idea of autonomous vehicles its cool, interesting and new technology whilst you may not

 

but still they had the warning and told you to pay attention etc but if he was paying attention he'd still be alive today

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5 minutes ago, KOMTechAndGaming said:

i personally love the freaking idea of autonomous vehicles its cool, interesting and new technology whilst you may not

 

but still they had the warning and told you to pay attention etc but if he was paying attention he'd still be alive today

 

"whilst you may not" - isn't it lovely how you put words in my mouth? yes I do have a problem with autonomous vehicles on public "human" roads; I do not have a problem with autonomous vehicles on dedicated roadways

 

the Tesla incident is the perfect case study for autonomous vehicles - can a driverless car fuck up in a situation a human could avoid? and the answer is a resoundingly, yes!

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i have trust in the fact that autonomous cars will be able to make better calculated predictions and wont swirv from the most outer lane to an exit they are almost 100% sure to miss, but the true power will only shine trough when there are only automomous cars on the road that always are connected with each other and there are no people driving manually anymore.

Also i realy hope that there will never be a big hack when there are a lot more automomous cars on the road because it would be terrible if you are driving aotonomous at 70 mph/120kph and at once the auto drive function fails an all autonomous cars in that area are driving without auto pilot and no alarms go off to warn the people inside.

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10 hours ago, zMeul said:

so did Joshua Brown, now he's dead

Yea because he was using them wrong. It's enhanced cruise control...

 

Why are you so anti technology? Humans are terrible drivers, robots would be a million times better. We wouldn't need speed limits or stop signs if all cars were autonomous and network well

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4 minutes ago, potoooooooo said:

Yea because he was using them wrong. It's enhanced cruise control...

 

Why are you so anti technology? Humans are terrible drivers, robots would be a million times better. We wouldn't need speed limits or stop signs if all cars were autonomous and network well

again with putting words in my mouth

I will say it again no matter how many people try it - I'm not anti technology and I have nothing against autonomous cars on their own dedicated roadways, not public roads

 

why? because you are replacing one problem with another while fixing nothing

 

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It's enhanced cruise control...

changing it's name doesn't change the fact that "enhanced cruise control" failed to identify an obstacle the system was programmed and built to detect

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1 minute ago, zMeul said:

again with putting words in my mouth

I will say it again no matter how many people try it - I'm not anti technology and I have nothing against autonomous cars on their own dedicated roadways, not public roads

 

why? because you are replacing one problem with another while fixing nothing

 

Actually it fixes a lot. It's replacing one problem (human drivers) with a solution.

 

Autonomous cars will within the next ten years be unquestionably safer than any human driver. Robots are ALWAYS better. At literally everything. There's nothing that a robot can't be better than a human at, and that's a fact. We're not necessarily there yet in every field, but it's inevitable.

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4 minutes ago, potoooooooo said:

Actually it fixes a lot. It's replacing one problem (human drivers) with a solution.

 

Autonomous cars will within the next ten years be unquestionably safer than any human driver. Robots are ALWAYS better. At literally everything. There's nothing that a robot can't be better than a human at, and that's a fact. We're not necessarily there yet in every field, but it's inevitable.

except think

autonomous cars will be a solution when there will be only autonomous cars driving on the road and no pedestrians

 

the more autonomous vehicles will be on public roads the more issues with them will surface and more people will suffer from it

the idea that autonomous vehicles are inherently "safer" is a complete and utter fallacy 

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1 minute ago, zMeul said:

except think

autonomous cars will be a solution when there will be only autonomous cars driving on the road and no pedestrians

That's not true because they're already safer than human drivers, even though they're relatively uncommon.

 

They're objectively better in every way already let alone in the future. Tesla's AP 2.0 hardware is practically infallible, as far as we know at this point.

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1 minute ago, potoooooooo said:

That's not true because they're already safer than human drivers, even though they're relatively uncommon.

 

They're objectively better in every way already let alone in the future. Tesla's AP 2.0 hardware is practically infallible, as far as we know at this point.

it's a complete fallacy

and the problems with self driving cars will deepen as many of these types of vehicles will be present on public roads

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4 minutes ago, zMeul said:

it's a complete fallacy

and the problems with self driving cars will deepen as many of these types of vehicles will be present on public roads

What are the problems with self driving cars?

What fallacy is it?

What makes you hate technology so much?

Show me on the little doll where the robot touched you zmeul

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I live in Minnesota, with the climate here I would never trust a self driving vehicle.

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Trust should rely on heavy amounts of data to point the person in the direction the evidence takes them, and with that being said, while I think autonomous cars have the ability to do amazing things, as Google and Tesla have demonstrated in their testing, we still need more data that they will be mostly beneficial to humankind. More optimizations are still required, and in the event that someone who cannot drive a car is in an autonomous vehicle, what happens if the car cannot react properly and a big accident occurs because the person cannot take control? I mean, imagine someone is drunk while in the car, or it's a lady that requires the use of a wheelchair...whatever the case may be. What if they're put in a situation that the car cannot properly react to? 

 

I am of the opinion that companies will just constantly update their code, but we need as much testing as possible in order to prevent those problems from occurring in the first place. 

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I'm sure they are perfectly safe, the question is why would I want one? I love driving and will never buy an automated car. hell for that matter I will never buy an automatic car. lol

 

However for most people i think they are good, most people don't like driving and it will make them safer. Also good for disabled people  like my granddad who is the worst driver i have ever seen and he should not be allowed to drive.

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