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Hi, ive seen ALOT that the intel i7 is a giant rip off

Here is my evidence

1. Its $300 

2. Like #1 if you spend $300 on a CPU you will not have enough money for a good GPU

3. you can get similar performance from an i5 or a overclocked i3

 

tell me down below, am i right or am i a huge idoit.

 

 


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Different folks, different strokes use-case scenarios. If you don't use the extra 4 (or more) threads, doesn't mean no one will use them.


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1. The price doesn't determine if its over priced. 

 

2. How do you know much much money I have.

 

3. But its still better, so it costs more.

 

The main thing that determines if its everpriced, is the price of competion. 

 

What competition is there, basically none, So what are you comparing it to?

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Not to be harsh, but you asked - you're just an idiot.

  1. Yep. And an i5 is $220+ without hyperthreading.
  2. Set realistic budgets for what you want out of the PC?
  3. Try doing so in any video rendering; I'm sure the i7 will win >99.98% of the time.
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1 minute ago, v0nn_toaster said:

Hi, ive seen ALOT that the intel i7 is a giant rip off

Here is my evidence

1. Its $300 

2. Like #1 if you spend $300 on a CPU you will not have enough money for a good GPU

3. you can get similar performance from an i5 or a overclocked i3

 

tell me down below, am i right or am i a huge idoit.

If someone wants to eliminate the CPU as a limiting factor when running games, and has the money, the i7 6700K/7700K is the only way to go.  Those i7s have the best general performance when the objective is to experience high end gaming.

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not even close i7s beat i5s in everything, if you can afford a i7 go for it. in the future games will take advantage of more cores. an i7 also lasts a lot longer than i5s. a 2700k is still considered a high-end cpu that's good for gaming to video editing. 

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5 minutes ago, v0nn_toaster said:

 

or am i a huge idoit.

 

This sums it up perfectly.  


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3 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

not even close i7s beat i5s in everything, if you can afford a i7 go for it. in the future games will take advantage of more cores. an i7 also lasts a lot longer than i5s. a 2700k is still considered a high-end cpu that's good for gaming to video editing. 

Is the argument "take more advantage of more cores in the future" really true for games though? I mean an i7 is still 4 physical cores. The hyper threading helps those 4 physical cores, so will taking more advantage of the hyper threading really help that much? 

 

For tasks other than games I know it makes a huge difference. Maybe it will for games too if it was better utilized, idk *shrug* 

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5 minutes ago, v0nn_toaster said:

Hi, ive seen ALOT that the intel i7 is a giant rip off

Here is my evidence

1. Its $300 

2. Like #1 if you spend $300 on a CPU you will not have enough money for a good GPU

3. you can get similar performance from an i5 or a overclocked i3

 

tell me down below, am i right or am i a huge idoit.

 

 

If you program big projects that take forever to compile, or really do any work-related thing with the computer other than using it as an office computer, you'll want the i7.

 

Also for games the additional threads help provide smoother framerates even if the average / max is around the same.


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5 minutes ago, v0nn_toaster said:

1. Its $300 

2. Like #1 if you spend $300 on a CPU you will not have enough money for a good GPU

3. you can get similar performance from an i5 or a overclocked i3

All of these reasons can just be avoided by being a well-informed buyer who plans out their purchases. If your budget for the PC cannot accommodate a $300 processor and a decent video card, then obviously you should be buying something cheaper. Similarly, while an i7 may have minimal benefits over an i5 in some tasks, it can have monumental benefits in others. Do some research so you know what you need.

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1 minute ago, Wolther said:

Is the argument "take more advantage of more cores in the future" really true for games though? I mean an i7 is still 4 physical cores. The hyper threading helps those 4 physical cores, so will taking more advantage of the hyper threading really help that much? 

 

yup some games really do take advantage also helps with futureproofing. 

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3 minutes ago, Wolther said:

Is the argument "take more advantage of more cores in the future" really true for games though? I mean an i7 is still 4 physical cores. The hyper threading helps those 4 physical cores, so will taking more advantage of the hyper threading really help that much? 

 

For tasks other than games I know it makes a huge difference. Maybe it will for games too if it was better utilized, idk *shrug* 

For games that do use the additional cores, the difference can be significant.

 

Watch Dogs 2 is an example.


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nope, I think i7 is worth every penny and I'm SOOO glad I didn't waste my time getting an i5.  Honestly i wish I had gotten a 5820k instead of a 4790k... Even gta v likes to peak my cpu every now and then


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4 minutes ago, Energycore said:

For games that do use the additional cores, the difference can be significant.

 

Watch Dogs 2 is an example.

 

5 minutes ago, nerdslayer1 said:

yup some games really do take advantage also helps with futureproofing. 

Hm, I guess HT does make a pretty good difference in games, didn't think so for some reason. Anyways I can't wait until 4 physical cores becomes the "budget" option and 4c/8t becomes the norm. Oh will that be a dream. 

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15 minutes ago, Wolther said:

Hm, I guess HT does make a pretty good difference in games, didn't think so for some reason. Anyways I can't wait until 4 physical cores becomes the "budget" option and 4c/8t becomes the norm. Oh will that be a dream. 

As with everything else it depends on the game, and games vary so much that you can't generalize it. At the moment all games I'm aware of can run fine on a reasonably current i5 at 60 FPS or better, but there are already a few that improve noticeably with an i7.

 

I wouldn't say games are definitely going to "need" more cores or threads in the immediate future, because as long as most good sub-$250 CPUs have four cores or fewer, developers are going to have to take them into account if they want their audience to have a good experience. Very few gamers have an $300+ CPU. AMD has an opportunity to make a move in that direction with Ryzen, but I think it depends a lot more on Intel because they are likely to still have a majority of marketshare.

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i7 is worth every penny considering recent demanding games are starting to consume more than 4 threads. I'm glad I bought a used i7-2700K instead of a brand new i5-6600K.

 

But hey different people have different priorities. So up to you how you define "rip off".

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On 1/22/2017 at 3:51 PM, typographie said:

All of these reasons can just be avoided by being a well-informed buyer who plans out their purchases. If your budget for the PC cannot accommodate a $300 processor and a decent video card, then obviously you should be buying something cheaper. Similarly, while an i7 may have minimal benefits over an i5 in some tasks, it can have monumental benefits in others. Do some research so you know what you need.

also if price is such a concern, buy an amd apu, 12 cores, 4 for processing, 8 for radeon r10(could be r9? dont know)graphics, $150

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3 hours ago, v0nn_toaster said:

1. Its $300 

So? Find me a processor with the same performance that's significantly cheaper.

3 hours ago, v0nn_toaster said:

2. Like #1 if you spend $300 on a CPU you will not have enough money for a good GPU

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if I spend $300 on a CPU I will not have enough money for a good GPU

ftfy

Some people have more money to spend than you.

3 hours ago, v0nn_toaster said:

3. you can get similar performance from an i5 or a overclocked i3

....what?

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Significantly better in single thread, literally 2-3x faster than an i3 in multi-thread, and roughly 1.5x the performance of the i5, and yet you say they give similar performance!?


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4 hours ago, v0nn_toaster said:

Hi, ive seen ALOT that the intel i7 is a giant rip off

Here is my evidence

1. Its $300 

2. Like #1 if you spend $300 on a CPU you will not have enough money for a good GPU

3. you can get similar performance from an i5 or a overclocked i3

 

tell me down below, am i right or am i a huge idoit.

 

 

1.

There's a lot more things that could be more expensive. One needs to plan their build out before throwing money at...NewEgg / Microcenter / NCIX, etc.

Depending on your needs and use case, the value of the i7 could be worth more than the $$ between the i5 and i7.

 

2.

If you are buying a $300+ CPU, you better be pairing it with a better GPU(s).

Again, that goes back to your build plan before buying.

  • Pentium 4560 + 2x Titan XP? -- WAT?
  • i7-6950X + GTX 1050? -- WTF??
  • i7-6700K + GTX 1080? -- Better

(or me personally, i7-6800K + 2x R9 Fury)

 

3. 

If applications or games don't benefit from the extra cores/threads, then they will virtually perform the same.

 

Example, game that only utilizes a maximum of 4-cores + 4-threads.

i7-6950X (10 cores / 20 threads) 3.0 GHz

i7-4790K (4 cores / 8 threads) 4.0 GHz

i5-4690K (4 cores / 4 threads) 3.5 GHz

 

Game doesn't care, it will treat them as:

i7-6950X 4 cores / 4 threads 3.0 GHz

i7-4790K 4 cores / 4 threads 4.0 GHz

i5-4690K 4 cores / 4 threads 3.5 GHz

 

In that case, the i7-4790K with a base clock of 4.0 GHz will perform the best.

 

 


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There's 2 ways of looking at things:

 

1)  Computers are lasting so long these days that its not a lot of extra money to buy an i7 versus an i5, especially if you're going to get 6-10 years of good use out of it (6-year-old i7-2600's are still very competitive).

 

2)  Bank the $$ you save, and 3-4 years from now, buy the i7 and replace your i5 with it.   Sell the i5 to some Celeron or i3 user, or find an old mobo.

 

CPU's really don't cost much.  Computer hardware doesn't cost much.  For how cheap things are these days, worrying about the difference between an i5 and an i7, at least on the LGA11xx platforms, is much ado about nothing.  The real fun is when you start considering options on a LGA2011 platform upgrade, like going to dual Xeon E5's, lol. 

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6 hours ago, v0nn_toaster said:

Hi, ive seen ALOT that the intel i7 is a giant rip off

Here is my evidence

1. Its $300 

2. Like #1 if you spend $300 on a CPU you will not have enough money for a good GPU

3. you can get similar performance from an i5 or a overclocked i3

 

tell me down below, am i right or am i a huge idoit.

 

 

1. Yup, that is about how much it costs. That is the price it is set at and what people buy. While I am not saying the price is good, that is what our only option is in the high end market. When you think about how much R and D went into these though, they are pretty spectacular even for the price.

2.  Who are you referring to here? People can set their own budgets and plenty of people can save up for a while to get it. 

3. Yes, and by the same logic you can overclock a i7, but then the other two can't catch up. And while the performance gain isn't giant, it is noticeable on newer programs that support HW. 

 

I can infer from this post that maybe you mean if someone has a strict budget, say $800 USD and you see someone buy a i7 and a weak GPU that you get upset. I understand this, but you still need to talk to the person. For example I tell people with the current state of affairs in the CPU world that it is better if you have a upgrade cycle in mind to get a higher end CPU in their first build, or atleast a mobo that supports one. For example from 2013 I bought a 4770k and a GTX 780. I knew that it is much easier, and the need would arise faster for a new GPU instead. GPU performance  has been increasing much faster than CPU performance increases, so you can hold a high end CPU in a system reasonably much longer than a high end GPU.

 

But please correct me if I am wrong, as this is kind of assuming. The post comes off as a "people are stupid for making a choice" post.


 

 

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9 hours ago, Jade said:

Not to be harsh, but you asked - you're just an idiot.

  1. Yep. And an i5 is $220+ without hyperthreading.
  2. Set realistic budgets for what you want out of the PC?
  3. Try doing so in any video rendering; I'm sure the i7 will win >99.98% of the time.

I also might add an i7 lasts longer , the performance gap between the i5 2500 and the i7 2600 wasn't that big back then ,

but w/ games and programs being more and more optimized for more than 4 threads the gap widens significantly


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