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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hello, I want to build a new PC, not mainly for games. My two options are MSI H81M-P33 with Intel Celeron G1840 and Crucial Ballistix Sport XT 4GB DDR3-1600 for the 1150 build and MSI H110M-Pro D with Intel Celeron G3900 Crucial 4GB DDR4-2133(CT4G4DFS8213). I compared the two motherboards and H110M is better. But I compared the cpu's at cpuboss.com and the G1840 was a slight better than the G3900. So, I decided to build the PC with the 1150 socket but I checked the upgrades for each motherboard and I checked e.g. for an i3 if I want to upgrade in the future. I compared the i3 6100 with the i3 4160 and I saw that 6100 can be overclocked up to 4.50 GHz while 4160 only to 3.7. And now I'm in dilemma, should I start my build with a better motherboard where I will have better parts if I decide to upgrade but with a lower CPU or should I start my build with a lower motherboard and with also lower upgrades but better CPU's ?

 

There were some specific points that made have this dilemma

 

First, G1840 Intel HD Graphics turbo boost clock has 1050 MHz while G3900 has 950 MHz

Second, the 6100 can be overclocked over 4.0 GHz while 4160 can be overclocked only to 3.7 but 4160 has 1150 MHz turbo boost while 6100 has 1050 MHz.

Third, CPU's on the 1150 socket have more memory controllers DDR3-1600, DDR3L-1600, DDR3-1333 while 1151 CPU's has only one DDR3L-1333.

 

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As you can see 1151 socket CPU's lose in some points while 1150 scoket CPU's win.

 

Thank you for your time

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And do you have a budget


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Don't use CPUBoss for comparison, it is bad. I would go userbenchmark to compare.

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1 minute ago, WantedStarling said:

My budget is 300 euros.

Do you have G4560 in your country? It's a pentium with hyper threading. It works with 1151 socket. Such an amazing value

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1 minute ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Don't use CPUBoss for comparison, it is bad. I would go userbenchmark to compare.

I didn't know. thank you, I will check it out

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2 minutes ago, deXxterlab97 said:

Do you have G4560 in your country? It's a pentium with hyper threading. It works with 1151 socket. Such an amazing value

Yes I have it :)

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Just now, WantedStarling said:

Yes I have it :)

Go with that and maybe a B250/H270 motherboard.

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1 minute ago, WantedStarling said:

Yes I have it :)

Or get an i3 6100 if you can fit in the budget

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Could this work man? @deXxterlab97 hows the psu

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Fpjjqk
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Fpjjqk/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  (£57.90 @ Alza) 
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-DGS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£45.90 @ Alza) 
Memory: Crucial 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (£25.18 @ Eclipse Computers) 
Storage: Toshiba 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£38.10 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 460 2GB Red Dragon Video Card  (£86.81 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Zalman ZM-T3 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  (£23.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£51.95 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Total: £329.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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2 minutes ago, Dawson Wehage said:

Could this work man? @deXxterlab97 hows the psu

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Fpjjqk
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Fpjjqk/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  (£57.90 @ Alza) 
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-DGS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£45.90 @ Alza) 
Memory: Crucial 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (£25.18 @ Eclipse Computers) 
Storage: Toshiba 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£38.10 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 460 2GB Red Dragon Video Card  (£86.81 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Zalman ZM-T3 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  (£23.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£51.95 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Total: £329.83
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Greece uses euros, not pounds.

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Just now, deXxterlab97 said:

Greece uses euros, not pounds.

i honestly hate all these currencies


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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 minutes ago, Dawson Wehage said:

Could this work man? @deXxterlab97 hows the psu

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Fpjjqk
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Fpjjqk/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  (£57.90 @ Alza) 
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-DGS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£45.90 @ Alza) 
Memory: Crucial 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (£25.18 @ Eclipse Computers) 
Storage: Toshiba 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£38.10 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 460 2GB Red Dragon Video Card  (£86.81 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Zalman ZM-T3 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  (£23.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£51.95 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Total: £329.83
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It's a really good build and on a budget. Nice.

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1 minute ago, Dawson Wehage said:

i honestly hate all these currencies

All the parts of this build are available to my country and approximately in the same price because of the currency.

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4 minutes ago, Dawson Wehage said:

Could this work man? @deXxterlab97 hows the psu

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Fpjjqk
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Fpjjqk/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor  (£57.90 @ Alza) 
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-DGS Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£45.90 @ Alza) 
Memory: Crucial 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory  (£25.18 @ Eclipse Computers) 
Storage: Toshiba 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£38.10 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 460 2GB Red Dragon Video Card  (£86.81 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Zalman ZM-T3 MicroATX Mini Tower Case  (£23.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  (£51.95 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Total: £329.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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5 minutes ago, Dawson Wehage said:

Could this work man? @deXxterlab97 hows the psu

 

 

Also are you asking a person who is running CX 500 green for a PSU advice?

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15 minutes ago, Thread212 said:

i am not sure if 6100 can be overclocked

It can't. At least not with "real" overclocking. You can access the BCLK on some mobos (though that doesn't really do anything) but the only Intel chips with unlocked multipliers are the K and X SKUs (the Pentium G3258 being an exception) and you can only change that multiplier on Z and X series chipsets. Kaby Lake K SKU chips are the i3 7350k, i5 7600k and i7 7700k with the overclocking chipset being Z270.


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1 minute ago, toasty6776 said:

It can't. At least not with "real" overclocking. You can change the BCLK on some mobos to change the chip's frequency but the only Intel chips with unlocked multipliers are the K and X SKUs (the Pentium G3258 being an exception) and you can only change that multiplier on Z and X series chipsets. Kaby Lake K SKU chips are the i3 7350k, i5 7600k and i7 7700k with the overclocking chipset being Z270.

BLCK has been blocked by Intel and going back BIOS just for the sake of it his a waste of time

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1 minute ago, deXxterlab97 said:

BLCK has been blocked by Intel and going back BIOS just for the sake of it his a waste of time

I know. That's why it's not really overclocking. Edited my post to avoid confusion


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1 minute ago, Thread212 said:

He said up to 4.5Ghz..i mean wow. 

Oh yeah didn't see that bit. Still rubbish, though.


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30 minutes ago, WantedStarling said:

I compared the i3 6100 with the i3 4160 and I saw that 6100 can be overclocked up to 4.50 GHz while 4160 only to 3.7.

Overclocking doesn't really work like that… no one can tell you for sure what frequency you will reach when you overclock a given CPU. There are ranges you are likely to fall within, of course, but every piece of silicon has different tolerances and different results.

 

During the Skylake generation (which the i3-6100 is part of) locked CPUs could be overclocked using certain BIOS versions on certain motherboards. That's unusual and was probably an oversight, because all BIOS versions since have locked them down again. But that's why it looks on paper like the 6100 can be overclocked so much higher than the 4160… the 4160 could never be overclocked at all, and even with the 6100 you have to go far, far out of your way to do it.

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Hi there,

 

I would wait a bit till the end of February, when AMD will finally come out from the closet with their new AM4 and Ryzen platform. Despite the outcome, it will be beneficial for pricing and you may have more options within your budget. That was the reason I have decided to go with overclocking of my platform (which is from 2011), rather than switching to new one.

 

In best case, if AMD will bring to market competitive cheap processors and new long-lasting platform (AMD is not changing it each year like Intel does), you may end-up with long lasting modern solution. In worst, this will trigger prices to go down a bit and maybe you will find better (or more modern) parts for your new build.

 

From processor perspective, I would try to get an i3 (4th, 6th or 7th gen) rather than Celeron or Pentium. It will give you more space for further upgrades as your processor may bottleneck performance of other components (for example modern graphics cards).

 

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2 hours ago, kaputt said:

Hi there,

 

I would wait a bit till the end of February, when AMD will finally come out from the closet with their new AM4 and Ryzen platform. Despite the outcome, it will be beneficial for pricing and you may have more options within your budget. That was the reason I have decided to go with overclocking of my platform (which is from 2011), rather than switching to new one.

 

In best case, if AMD will bring to market competitive cheap processors and new long-lasting platform (AMD is not changing it each year like Intel does), you may end-up with long lasting modern solution. In worst, this will trigger prices to go down a bit and maybe you will find better (or more modern) parts for your new build.

 

From processor perspective, I would try to get an i3 (4th, 6th or 7th gen) rather than Celeron or Pentium. It will give you more space for further upgrades as your processor may bottleneck performance of other components (for example modern graphics cards).

 

Regards,

Actually I don't like AMD's CPUs so even now that my budget is tight I won't go on AMD(and not gonna go never). Also for the bottleneck with graphics card, Intel HD graphics are just fine for the game that I play so I won't buying a GPU for some time.

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