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$64 Pentium G4560 is neck and neck against i5-2500K

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3 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Also, no i3 is going to run GTA V decently at medium settings. It's developers aren't going to waste their precious time to ensure the few hold outs have a perfect experience if it means continuing to foster the belief that these chips are still acceptable for modern gaming. GTA V isn't one of the most demanding games out there, it's just one that won't pander to a minority of the target consumers.

just try battlefield 1 or watchdogs 2 on a dual-core with hyper-threading...these games stutter even on a core i5 CPU. :P

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11 hours ago, MimigaKing said:

prove you wrong. Not that I wouldn't OC it but the MOBO doesn't support OC at all. 

But why would you buy a unlocked chip if you're gonna buy a locked board. 

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6 minutes ago, alexyy said:

But why would you buy a unlocked chip if you're gonna buy a locked board. 

My 4790K hit 4.8GHz easily on this motherboard:

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1 minute ago, Dabombinable said:

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4 hours ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Frankly I don't know why they write it like that on the product page, and I actually blame that for the proliferation of the incorrect use of that term.  If you do any digging, you'll see I'm right about the terminology, and everyone - both people who (I think) know better, and people who don't - just seem to keep calling logical cores threads out of habit (or perhaps something worse). 

Especially since Windows will show programs using more than 8 threads on any given program.

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1 hour ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

give me 3 minutes with the 2500K and i can guarantee you it will run games much better than that 65$ pentium :P

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That's nice and all, but no one is clamoring to buy a 2500k now and people that still use those (like my girlfriend), the chip is going to be overclocked. No one is running an unlocked Sandy Bridge chip at stock clock lmao.

 

Many years later and Intel hasn't done much to justify upgrades. (unless you want janky 4K Netflix)

 

 

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6 hours ago, alexyy said:

But why would you buy a unlocked chip if you're gonna buy a locked board. 

I used to overclock it back when I purchased it new but the motherboard died. I then salvaged the CPU to upgrade my work pc that had a pentium G2010. 

 

 

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6 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

Especially since Windows will show programs using more than 8 threads on any given program.

Well that's perfectly accurate and reasonable though.  Most programs do use anywhere from ~ 10 to 100 threads.  That's another thing to mention - when people say "Games can't use more than 4 threads" or stuff like that, what they mean is the CPU-intensive load is split across no more than 4 threads - the actual total number of threads can be and likely is much higher, but those don't help it use more cores for processing, they're just for organizational purposes.

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33 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Well that's perfectly accurate and reasonable though.  Most programs do use anywhere from ~ 10 to 100 threads.  That's another thing to mention - when people say "Games can't use more than 4 threads" or stuff like that, what they mean is the CPU-intensive load is split across no more than 4 threads - the actual total number of threads can be and likely is much higher, but those don't help it use more cores for processing, they're just for organizational purposes.

I think the issue arises when it comes to distinguishing the difference CPU % shows between any of the logical cores (since four cores can be at 100% and the other four at 10% showing roughly 52% usage). People are mistaking the differences between the total system overall versus just the CPU themselves and correlating "more" with "better". Things like CPU cache, clock speed, memory bandwidth, etc. can quickly go from "poor" to "great" to "poor" when moving from what's not enough to too much.

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21 hours ago, RKRiley said:

Not surprising it beats a 4 year old i5 that has an equal base clock speed to be honest.

6 year old.

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21 hours ago, VirusStorm said:

Expect the price of the i5 to go down dramatically  

its already $50 here, its not going down more

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1 hour ago, JoeyDM said:

6 year old.

I5 2500 is 4 years old? According to the ark.intel site

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2 minutes ago, RKRiley said:

I5 2500 is 4 years old? According to the ark.intel site

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9 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

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Wow do I regret replacing my 2500k now...

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1 hour ago, RKRiley said:

I5 2500 is 4 years old? According to the ark.intel site

Q1'11... Expected Discontinuance is Q1'2013. You're looking at when it was discontinued. 

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20 hours ago, Drak3 said:

Except, as @MageTank pointed out, minimum frame rates are only provided for one game, and the actual testing methodology is unknown.

 

As multiple pointed out, the end source, Tweaktown, is very unreliable. These results should be taken with a mountain of salt.

 

Also, no i3 is going to run GTA V decently at medium settings. It's developers aren't going to waste their precious time to ensure the few hold outs have a perfect experience if it means continuing to foster the belief that these chips are still acceptable for modern gaming. GTA V isn't one of the most demanding games out there, it's just one that won't pander to a minority of the target consumers.

I'm not talking about these benchmarks specifically, or the G4560 at all.  Go on Youtube and you'll find GTA V running somewhat smoothly on even high settings with the i3-6100, just with some occasional frame drops.  It's at Very High settings that it starts to variate between 50-70fps.  Here's an i3-6100 vs i5-2500K, and the 6100 usually runs better.  Of course that's only at stock, but it's not running overclocked RAM because the 2500K can't support it.  The argument that Far Cry 4 actually needs 4 physical cores falls to pieces.

 

You can find plenty of other videos.

 

People need to lose the "if it's dual core it's no good for gaming" mindset.  It's been proven wrong over and over again.

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The only thing I would (and I am) use a pentium for is hosting game servers. Can't really beat a G3258 for hosting a Minecraft or Space Engineers server.

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On 1/18/2017 at 5:06 PM, Godlygamer23 said:

That was an issue on straight dual cores if I remember correctly. The G4560 has hyper-threading, therefore creating four logical cores total.

Yes, the OS/program will see the CPU as being a "quad core", just like the i3 does, so games like FC4 will run out of the box.

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70% top of a chart, why ? What is at 100% ??

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So Pentium is the new i3 basically? It actually looks like a great deal for entry level builds and I bet it uses less power than that old i5 2500k

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16 minutes ago, Okjoek said:

So Pentium is the new i3 basically? It actually looks like a great deal for entry level builds and I bet it uses less power than that old i5 2500k

No, they are the new Pentiums.  The new i3's are better than the new Pentiums.

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10 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

No, they are the new Pentiums.  The new i3's are better than the new Pentiums.

How are new i3s better than new pentiums?

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Just now, MyName13 said:

How are new i3s better than new pentiums?

Performance, and one of them has an unlocked multiplier.  There is also some other obscure feature that only exists in the core series, but I can't remember what it's called.

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8 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

Performance, and one of them has an unlocked multiplier.  There is also some other obscure feature that only exists in the core series, but I can't remember what it's called.

Seems the new Pentiums with HT are virtually similar to the i3 but with slower clock...

 

https://ark.intel.com/products/97455/Intel-Core-i3-7100-Processor-3M-Cache-3_90-GHz

https://ark.intel.com/products/97143/Intel-Pentium-Processor-G4560-3M-Cache-3_50-GHz

 

Someone looking to buy an i3 should really look into a Pentium, at half the price, I can't see why you would take an i3 over a Pentium.

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