$64 Pentium G4560 is neck and neck against i5-2500K

[Drak3]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

Cites: Skylines only uses 3 cores... Clock speed and IPC make the most difference for this game.

 

Does it, I recall LTT having a video regarding the i7 Hexacores, and them mentioning that Skylines saw a small, but consistent boost going from i7 quad to i7 hex.

[ARikozuM]

8 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Does it, I recall LTT having a video regarding the i7 Hexacores, and them mentioning that Skylines saw a small, but consistent boost going from i7 quad to i7 hex.

I'm looking for octa-core vs quad-core, but the video title was entirely different.

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

I'm looking for octa-core vs quad-core, but the video title was entirely different.

Oh well, unless someone can link to a definitive source stating Skylines can use up to x amount of cores, I'll take your word for it, for now.

[79wjd]

45 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Maybe they're an multi-chip module. I don't see why Intel would necessarily make an iGPU directly attached to a CPU when they could get more inventory by separating them.

Isn't everything on a single die? 

[ARikozuM]

6 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

Isn't everything on a single die? 

It's on a single CPU, but it could be separate. I don't work for Intel (nor would I) and thus will never know. if you've ever seen a detailed video on how the wafers are made via photo resist, mineral deposition, and etching, you'd see that it ain't easy to know exactly how they're made. 

 

Essentially the die (which is cut from the wafer) is placed on a substrate (which you handle when building a PC) and affixed into place via wizardry (i.e. they're attached to the pins or pads beneath the substrate) and then have the heat-spreader soldered or mated. 

[ARikozuM]

Since the forum has representatives from Western Digital, CableMod, etc., is there one for Intel or AMD?

[Vode]

5 hours ago, cozz said:

Gaming at 720p and 1080p the Kaby Lakes-based pentium G4560 beats the Pentium G440, FX-6300 and A10-7890K - while just 5% slower than the more expenisve Corey i3-6100 and Core i5-2500K processors.

 

€20 Xeon E5640 from 7 years ago is still in the race, And i's a Quad core with Hyperthreading... No need in buying a Pentium!

 

 

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51 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

Cites: Skylines only uses 3 cores... Clock speed and IPC make the most difference for this game.

 

I'm torn.  To start with, I'll show you this, from this video:

 

And then just to confuse everyone I'll follow it up with this from the video here  

[ARikozuM]

16 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

I'm torn.  To start with, I'll show you this, from this video:

 

 

And then just to confuse everyone I'll follow it up with this from the video here  

 

I'm thoroughly confused, but we only get the frame-rate with the chart (one area I would like LTT benchmarks to improve) but it doesn't show nor do they explain the CPU usage in-depth as they move up except for the outlier. 

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8 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

I'm thoroughly confused, but we only get the frame-rate with the chart (one area I would like LTT benchmarks to improve) but it doesn't show nor do they explain the CPU usage in-depth as they move up except for the outlier. 

I think I can explain this (at least I hope so)

 

In the first video, he was comparing all the processors at stock speeds.  This is where we see the expected behaviour present itself, with the notion that games don't need more than 4 cores (yet).  The 6700k wins because, if you only use 4 of the cores on each chip shown, the 6700k is best due to its higher clock speeds.  No real surprise there.

 

In the second video, they took an 8 core HT chip, overclocked (but that doesn't matter), and then disabled cores and HT in different configurations to simulate other scenarios.  The key take away from this fact is that in each situation, close speed remained the same, and thus we exclusively see the effect of more or fewer cores, since IPC and frequency are taken out of the picture.  Now, I can't explain the 8 core result at all but there does seem to be a definite trend from 2 non-HT cores up to 6 HT cores, with performance improving each time.  This suggests that in fact cities skylines can benefit from more than 4 (real) cores, but a) this is potentially* at odds with the results from above, and b) it's possible it's just a statistical anomaly, and should be thrown out, much like the 8 core score above it.

 

* I say potentially since comparing a high clocked 4 HT chip with a slightly lower clocked 6 HT chip created a bit of a problem when done alone.  If the 4 HT chip wins, you don't know for sure that the game or program can't use more than 4 cores, since it's possible it's using 5 or 6, but that the extra clock speed was still enough to more than make up the difference.  I suspect in this case however that this is not the case.

 

In conclusion, I think what these results tell us, despite seeming to be absurd at first glance, is that CS really does only use about 3 or 4 cores, like almost every other game out there right now.  But if someone can find another video that stirs the pot some more, I'd love to see it  

[FloRolf]

I bought a 2500k that does 4.5 easily for 50bucks. I guess I win. 

[JoostinOnline]

2 hours ago, Drak3 said:

There is a difference between running as intended, and running at all. GTA V runs on an i3, but it's a piss poor experience compared to an i5 or i7. Developers also acknowledge this, and that's why they are recommending Core i5's for a good experience with the games.

The new i3's crush plenty of older i5's and i7's.   Just as the newer i5's and i7's crush most newer i3's.  You can't group everything by their name.  Hyperthreading is sufficient to cover the workload of anything system that required an i

 

No i3 is going to run GTA V perfectly on high settings.  It's one of the most demanding games on the market.  If you don't mind running games at medium settings, it works just fine.  When you get an i3-6100, you know you aren't going to be playing everything at full settings.  It doesn't mean you can't enjoy the game.

 

My point is, don't try to say that you can't game well with an i3.  It just sounds snobby.  Before I upgraded, I was playing Rise of the Tomb Raider on an i3-4160 and a GTX 750 Ti at custom settings between medium and high.  There weren't any frame drops.

[LAwLz]

Flawed/sketchy benchmarks are flawed and sketchy.

Might as well have used minesweeper FPS numbers to draw the conclusion that the i3 is as good as the i7 Extreme edition.

 

Even IF it was true and wasn't skewed as hell, it's pretty sad that a low end chip released a few days ago only manages to match a mid-range chip released 6 years ago.

[Fetzie]

7 hours ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Well, yes I suppose you could look at this two ways - one the one hand, there's been a small enough improvement that these old chips are still perfectly capable.  On the flip side though, we now have i3s (and low end i3s at that) beating what were mid-high end i5s

That's nothing more than what should be the bare minimum in performance gains given the age of the Sandy Bridge platform.

[JoostinOnline]

44 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Even IF it was true and wasn't skewed as hell, it's pretty sad that a low end chip released a few days ago only manages to match a mid-range chip released 6 years ago.

In case you hadn't noticed, Intel hasn't been focusing that much on performance in the last decade.  For the most part it's just been power consumption.  There also haven't been any frequency boosts now that we've hit the power wall.

[Space Reptile]

9 hours ago, cozz said:

ComputerBases's performance review on the new Pentium G4560($64USD) shows that it's total performance is neck and neck w/ the i5-2500K($230USD)

okay but what about the I7 2600 , I often see the 2500 but rarely the 2600 in these reviews , those 8 threads help a lot in newer games

[JoostinOnline]

16 minutes ago, Space Reptile said:

okay but what about the I7 2600 , I often see the 2500 but rarely the 2600 in these reviews , those 8 threads help a lot in newer games

4 threads definitely, but I think 8 threads is seriously pushing it.

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27 minutes ago, Space Reptile said:

okay but what about the I7 2600 , I often see the 2500 but rarely the 2600 in these reviews , those 8 threads help a lot in newer games

 

10 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

4 threads definitely, but I think 8 threads is seriously pushing it.

 

plz...

*logical cores.  Threads are the instructions that the CPU runs. And before someone says "everyone calls them that, even Linus" believe me... I know *sigh*

[Space Reptile]

6 minutes ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

*logical cores.  Threads are the instructions that the CPU runs.

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1 minute ago, Space Reptile said:

If you actually click it...  

[Space Reptile]

1 minute ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

If you actually click it...  

I know , its STILL called that by intel and EVERYONE else  , 4 cores 8 logis just does not ring that nicely

 

4 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

is there one for Intel

well I know someone

 

.... Patrick

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2 minutes ago, Space Reptile said:

I know , its STILL called that by intel and EVERYONE else  , 4 cores 8 logis just does not ring that nicely

Frankly I don't know why they write it like that on the product page, and I actually blame that for the proliferation of the incorrect use of that term.  If you do any digging, you'll see I'm right about the terminology, and everyone - both people who (I think) know better, and people who don't - just seem to keep calling logical cores threads out of habit (or perhaps something worse). 

[Megah3rtz]

Weird, I can get atleast 500 with my FX 6300 @ 4.3ghz.

[i_build_nanosuits]

give me 3 minutes with the 2500K and i can guarantee you it will run games much better than that 65$ pentium

[Drak3]

4 hours ago, JoostinOnline said:

The new i3's crush plenty of older i5's and i7's.   Just as the newer i5's and i7's crush most newer i3's.  You can't group everything by their name.  Hyperthreading is sufficient to cover the workload of anything system that required an i

 

No i3 is going to run GTA V perfectly on high settings.  It's one of the most demanding games on the market.  If you don't mind running games at medium settings, it works just fine.  When you get an i3-6100, you know you aren't going to be playing everything at full settings.  It doesn't mean you can't enjoy the game.

 

My point is, don't try to say that you can't game well with an i3.  It just sounds snobby.  Before I upgraded, I was playing Rise of the Tomb Raider on an i3-4160 and a GTX 750 Ti at custom settings between medium and high.  There weren't any frame drops.

Except, as @MageTank pointed out, minimum frame rates are only provided for one game, and the actual testing methodology is unknown.

 

As multiple pointed out, the end source, Tweaktown, is very unreliable. These results should be taken with a mountain of salt.

 

Also, no i3 is going to run GTA V decently at medium settings. It's developers aren't going to waste their precious time to ensure the few hold outs have a perfect experience if it means continuing to foster the belief that these chips are still acceptable for modern gaming. GTA V isn't one of the most demanding games out there, it's just one that won't pander to a minority of the target consumers.