Why not get W10 Education Edition?

[corrado33]

1 minute ago, Spork829 said:

Fun fact, you can actually call MS support and swap it to a new motherboard extremely easily (as long as the old one is no longer in use with the same key).

And how do you plan on disabling the computer lab computer using it? Microsoft will know that it was registered to a university, unsure how it'd go asking to register it to a single user. 

[Spork829]

2 minutes ago, corrado33 said:

And how do you plan on disabling the computer lab computer using it? Microsoft will know that it was registered to a university, unsure how it'd go asking to register it to a single user. 

I said it was a fun fact, not that it would work in your situation  

 

3 minutes ago, Energycore said:

I've heard this doesn't work on OEM keys.

Well that's precisely what I did when I tore down my old prebuilt and Frankensteined my current rig out of it, which included swapping out the mobo. It took 3 mins. Typing this on that very copy of Windows right now  

[Energycore]

1 minute ago, Spork829 said:

Well that's precisely what I did when I tore down my old prebuilt and Frankensteined my current rig out of it, which included swapping out the mobo. It took 3 mins. Typing this on that very copy of Windows right now  

Damn I guess then I won't have to buy Windows when I upgrade to Zen a new platform, thanks

[Spork829]

1 minute ago, Energycore said:

Damn I guess then I won't have to buy Windows when I upgrade to Zen a new platform, thanks

Yup. All you have to do if I remember correctly is call their support number on a smartphone. They'll ask you if you're on a smartphone, if you say yes they hang up and text you a code, which you type into some "verification code" thing on the "your key is invalid" page once the new board is in. Then it spits out a code, you text that to the MS bot, they text you another, you type that in, and Bam, your key is now valid for that board. As long as you don't reinstall and try to use the old board again it shouldn't cause any problems.

[Energycore]

1 minute ago, rrubberr said:

HISSSSSSSSSSS.

Be chill man. Be Zen.

[Spork829]

3 minutes ago, Energycore said:

Be chill man. Be Zen.

 

1 minute ago, rrubberr said:

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I'm going to bed. You kids be good now and try not to burn down the thread while I'm gone ok

[Energycore]

1 minute ago, Spork829 said:

 

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I'm going to bed. You kids be good now and try not to burn down the thread while I'm gone ok

Lol rest well

[Zodiark1593]

15 minutes ago, Energycore said:

For me, it's like running your brower fullscreen, but you get to move the window around. And since I disabled all the animations, using the task bar is just as quick because it takes no time to pop up again when you move the mouse to the monitor edge.

 

I've heard this doesn't work on OEM keys.

Microsoft support is notoriously lax for upholding the OEM rule. 

[Energycore]

1 minute ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Microsoft support is notoriously lax for upholding the OEM rule. 

Yeah that's really nice to know. For now I've no need to change mobo (getting a Xeon E3-1240 soon), but when I do I'm glad I won't have to buy a grey market key.

[Energycore]

5 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

 

Your emotions toward a literal piece of half-metal are your own responsibility.

[Energycore]

1 minute ago, rrubberr said:

Get a V3 and we can have matching SFF builds.

I only have LGA 1155 motherboards here so I can only do up to Xeon v2

 

But they're still amazing CPUs. I'm glad Intel and game devs haven't pushed the hardware requirements for CPU at all since 2011.

[Energycore]

1 minute ago, rrubberr said:

Me too, that way I can use the same 3 computers for 7 years and running  .

With SLI Titan Z + Titan X, because you can.

[Energycore]

1 minute ago, rrubberr said:

Me too, that way I can use the same 3 computers for 7 years and running  .

I should make a build that competes with yours with Crossfire Radeon Pro Duo + Fury X

[Energycore]

5 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

That would draw 2x the power of my setup  .

Nah man I'm aware of Fiji's terrible power efficiency, but I also know this.

Undervolt AMD's Radeon R9 Fury With MSI Afterburner - Tom's Hardware

 

I don't care how bad the hardware I'm given is, I will make it work.

[Zodiark1593]

20 minutes ago, Energycore said:

Yeah that's really nice to know. For now I've no need to change mobo (getting a Xeon E3-1240 soon), but when I do I'm glad I won't have to buy a grey market key.

I've thought about getting a Xeon, though I'm unfamiliar with selling pc parts, and I've no practical need at the moment. It isn't as though a 3.7 GHz quad core is slow. 

[Energycore]

11 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

But that's how the Titan Z came to outperform the 295x2 in a well ventilated case  . Don't get me wrong, I would take those anyway, but  .

I know that as a workstation-conscious denizen of the internet, you like FLOPs. More FLOPs = better. But the 295x2 was a weird fucking piece of hardware, and the Radeon Pro Duo costs $1500, even though it's marginally more power efficient.

 

But my personal preference for AMD comes down to a single fact: AMD lets you tweak, and while they're most of the time just behind Nvidia out of the box, they offer the opportunity for a savvy user to get to say "I tweaked my AMD hardware to make it better than Nvidia's stock choice". I have felt like this especially since the release of Pascal. Pascal GPUs can't go past 2200 on air no matter what you do. But Polaris 10, the GPU I'm looking at, gives you overclocking gains from everything you can try, be it a voltage mod, a custom BIOS, or even better cooling. So I'm happy choosing the brand that makes me take that additional tweaking step. Whether it be undervolting an R9 Fury to reach better efficiency than the venerable GTX 980, or flashing a custom RX 480 BIOS to have it blow away the GTX 1060. AMD is the enthusiast's choice, it's just too bad their limited R&D budget makes them very rough around the edges.

[Energycore]

10 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said:

I've thought about getting a Xeon, though I'm unfamiliar with selling pc parts, and I've no practical need at the moment. It isn't as though a 3.7 GHz quad core is slow. 

The easy rule of thumb to remember is that a 4C/8T Xeon is effectively an i7, and a 4C/4T Xeon is an i5. With small clockspeed differences.

[SCHISCHKA]

56 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Microsoft gives big discounts to schools, the gov wants the cheapest price it is sold, so they make a version just for schools, so the gov can get the education price

any large organisation gets a bulk discount. MS gives them away to charities and schools dirt cheap because MS likes them young; they want you to get started in your career using their products.

1 hour ago, Spork829 said:

I just now found out that Windows Education Edition is a thing, and the keys are way cheaper than normal Windows. I expected it to be very cut-down, but after some searching, apparently it doesn't have Cortana (which I find a good thing) and has WAY MORE other features than other versions! Why would anyone ever buy normal W10? This must be too good to be true. What am I missing?

Its free for students. i get the full enterprise and home from my uni. its only legal to use for one year but as far as i can tell there is nothing in the technology stopping you from using it. I got 2 activations on windows 7, the third on the same day got rejected by the MS servers. A lot of people from AUS and NZ come back from Singapore with inappropriate education retail software.

 

[Energycore]

1 minute ago, rrubberr said:

as soon as they come out with another that's air cooled

That's what Arctic Acceleros are for

3 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

I agree very much so, but consistency is also nice, and that's why every bit of RAM and hard disk space (except the trashy Titan X) is error correcting, well cooled, and not water cooled (water+PC hardware = good mix ).

 

My personal "eck" towards AMD comes from my experience with their processors in the late 1990's and mid 2000's, their low-mid end and SFF GPU's in the same time frame, with both my own HD 7990's (long ago, and still), and trying to help out a buddy with his 380x's. I have never once had a good experience with them driver wise or otherwise (obviously not the case for everyone, in the same way that I have used seagate drives exclusively since the early 1990's and never had a single one fail, but everyone else thinks they're trash). Whether it be my 7990's performing better in 2 way CFX in a Mantle game ("better than directx"), my 7990, Radeon 7500, and several Allin-wonders cooking themselves, or the wonky performance of the 380x's I've encountered, I can't really trust their products anymore.

 

But, alas, I'm a B**** for dual GPU cards, and as soon as they come out with another that's air cooled, I'll be the first one to buy it, since Nvidia has apparently abandoned the concept. OpenCL support is a joke from Nvidia.

 

Lol your mention of seagate is funny to me, because I bought a Western Digital HDD and had no end of problems with it, ended up having to RMA 3 times. So ye, some companies might be better than others but exceptions exist everywhere.

[Zodiark1593]

39 minutes ago, Energycore said:

The easy rule of thumb to remember is that a 4C/8T Xeon is effectively an i7, and a 4C/4T Xeon is an i5. With small clockspeed differences.

I know that much already, hence the not clear-cut decision. Hyperthreading, while effective, isn't exactly magic sauce anyway.