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I believe to have made a mistake on my first pc build. I was suggested to get an AMD FX-4300 Vishera Quad-Core 3.8 GHz along with the MSI 970A-G43 Plus motherboard. I now read online that the capacity of AMD cpu's will restrict your higher end gpu's compared to Intel. There can potentially be a difference of 30 FPS. Now I'm not sure what is considered a high end gpu in this case, but I currently have a GeForce Gtx 960 4GB G1 Gaming OC edition (Gigabyte). I also eventually plan to upgrade both cpu and gpu. Should I switch over to Intel? If I do, I'll also have to change motherboard as I don't think Intel is compatible with my current one.

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5 minutes ago, Bencleboy said:

Hi,

I believe to have made a mistake on my first pc build. I was suggested to get an AMD FX-4300 Vishera Quad-Core 3.8 GHz along with the MSI 970A-G43 Plus motherboard. I now read online that the capacity of AMD cpu's will restrict your higher end gpu's compared to Intel. There can potentially be a difference of 30 FPS. Now I'm not sure what is considered a high end gpu in this case, but I currently have a GeForce Gtx 960 4GB G1 Gaming OC edition (Gigabyte). I also eventually plan to upgrade both cpu and gpu. Should I switch over to Intel? If I do, I'll also have to change motherboard as I don't think Intel is compatible with my current one.

Don't switch to Intel... Wait for Ryzen.  It's the smartest option.  For all we know, Ryzen will release beating the shit out of Intel and you are stuck with again, a new 'subpar' product.  
It's best to wait to see what everyone is bringing to the table.

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If you aren't planning this change immediately then I would suggest waiting for RYZEN and see how it performs. At best it's great, at worst, it shakes up CPU pricing. If the upgrade is imminent, then I would suggest and i5 as a minimum, preferably z170/z270 platform (or H equivalent with a non k cpu such as 6600 or 7600 if not planning to overclock) 

 

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You only have to wait two or so months if they really will release at the end of the quarter.

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A 960 isn't powerful enough for it to be noticeable restricted so you should be fine until you can upgrade. RYZEN will be available before the end of march so I suggest you take that into consideration as well.

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1 minute ago, rrubberr said:

Ryzen will be a joke on an outdated process. Please stop.

 

Please, please, stop. At best it shakes up CPU pricing, at worst AMD goes bankrupt and is acquired by Intel or Nvidia, or even better, both.

You are joking, right?

 

Minus one or two leaked benchmarks and stuff, we have NO IDEA what Ryzen is really bringing.  We just know the CPU AMD leaked competes with a 6900K, and that it should be cheaper.  Other than that, nothing.
So it's best to wait.  You have no idea what Ryzen will be.

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3 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

Ryzen will be a joke on an outdated process. Please stop.

 

Please, please, stop. At best it shakes up CPU pricing, at worst AMD goes bankrupt and is acquired by Intel or Nvidia, or even better, both.

quote facts before you speak nonsense, you have no idea what will happen like the rest of us, hence why were saying "wait and see" 

 

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Yes, that's a very "budget" for use of a polite word CPU.  You'll be significantly better off switching to Intel and it's not like Ryzen is going to come out and suddenly whatever you have becomes obsolete.

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The flip side is if Ryzen comes out and underwhelms then the demand for Intel will go up for the enthusiast. I would give it time just so you can make sure you're investing wisely. Not necessarily to get Ryzen but just to see.

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1 minute ago, AnonymousGuy said:

Yes, that's a very "budget" for use of a polite word CPU.  You'll be significantly better off switching to Intel and it's not like Ryzen is going to come out and suddenly whatever you have becomes obsolete.

Yes but you can always wait a little and possibly save money or get a better cpu than you could have prior. 

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5 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

We know that the name is literally a bad pun from the early 2000's, and I think that's plenty. I also think I know exactly what Ryzen will bring in an 8-core flavour.

 

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The FX 8150 isn't Ryzen though.

But whatever.  You do you man. 9_9

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Just now, Brooksie359 said:

Yes but you can always wait a little and possibly save money or get a better cpu than you could have prior. 

Fatal error of assuming it's only a little wait.  They haven't announced a launch date nor have they indicated when it will actually be available in quantity.  Could be a half year before you can buy one.  Then we get back to the game of forever waiting for whatever is next.

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4 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

We know that the name is literally a bad pun from the early 2000's, and I think that's plenty. I also think I know exactly what Ryzen will bring in an 8-core flavour.

 

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Basically you know nothing.

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come on guys. if Ryzen bombs AMD will end up licensing an older core architecture and selling budget CPUs like how they started. Anyway their using a new fabrication which will make them more power efficient. The only real challenge i see for AMD is the advances intel has in getting rid of the north bridge

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3 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

It's just so painful to hear someone say "let's wait and see" about a company with a VERY proven track record. No, looking at past flops from a company and saying "Wow, sounds like trash" is not stupidity, that's an educated inference.

 

intel has underperformed in the past too, look at P4 and early core2duo era. They had to scrap the P4 and go back to their P2 designs. I take it you are referring to AMD track record in introducing and patenting 64bit computing and the first x86 dual core processor?

6 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

I see one: Intel spends their entire market cap on R&D twice a year.

that is a serious challenge for AMD but they must be getting good income from their console dominance. I dont know what their debt is like but consoles should bring in some steady income for a while. They've also got their chips in a lot of the budget laptops last year. Margins prob arent great but cheap laptops will get replaced more frequently.

 

One thing I'm hoping for is AMD shaking up intel to remove core locks, or they might turn evil and do what intel does? Intel has too many SKUs because of AMDs desktop failure

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On 1/18/2017 at 0:41 AM, rrubberr said:

It's just so painful to hear someone say "let's wait and see" about a company with a VERY proven track record. No, looking at past flops from a company and saying "Wow, sounds like trash" is not stupidity, that's an educated inference.

 

Meanwhile, there's this friendly milk dud saying "100% Opinion, 0% Fact " when I at least took the time to take a 100% fact power draw chart; I mean, do you not see the irony there? If you want to go by current leaked becnchmarks, they show the 16 thread Ryzen (ahahahahahahahah punny) SERIOUSLY under performing a 6900k and most likely loosing to an OC'd 7700k.

I disregarded your 4+ year old chart because it quite simply is irrelevant, also leaked benchmarks are in no way shape or form an accurate representation of the final product since most if not all of the all the benchmarks we have seen have been with engineering samples.

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2 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

Now, I welcome you to a series I like to call "My computer is seven years old and 40% faster than Ryzen."

 

can you overclock that xeon? i think Ryzen will be twice the speed of your xeon; its old, uses DDR3, 32nm die, and is missing 7 years of x86 instruction set improvements

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9 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

Haha, seriously, though, I don't remember a 40%-speed-boost overclockable CPU core, that's an Nvidia GPU thing. But, again, this thread was about switching to Intel, and with Cannon lake coming in the second half of 2017, too, I'm not sure how well AMD is going to be able to compete, not only with CPU's from seven generations ago, but CPU's that will be around a generation from now.

you shouldnt be so pessimistic. they are using the 14nm die size so they will be now where as slow as the older chips

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Why did this turn into a pissing contest started by 1 fanbob?

 

Wait for Ryzen unless you want instant gratification and can spend quite a bit of money like i did.

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2 hours ago, Bencleboy said:

Hi,

I believe to have made a mistake on my first pc build. I was suggested to get an AMD FX-4300 Vishera Quad-Core 3.8 GHz along with the MSI 970A-G43 Plus motherboard. I now read online that the capacity of AMD cpu's will restrict your higher end gpu's compared to Intel. There can potentially be a difference of 30 FPS. Now I'm not sure what is considered a high end gpu in this case, but I currently have a GeForce Gtx 960 4GB G1 Gaming OC edition (Gigabyte). I also eventually plan to upgrade both cpu and gpu. Should I switch over to Intel? If I do, I'll also have to change motherboard as I don't think Intel is compatible with my current one.

I too built an FX 4300 machine. After I was given an i3 2100 machine, I swapped my drives, 4GB Gigabyte Windforce GTX 960 OC and 8Gb RAM into the i3 machine and noticed a substantial improvement.

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1 hour ago, rrubberr said:

That's another CPU with a punny name, Netburst. I see a trend!

 

Now, I welcome you to a series I like to call "My computer is seven years old and 40% faster than Ryzen."

 

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Not relevant to this topic, at all. You server chips and boards in your pc, I would expect single thread performance to be way ahead, but, again it's irrelevant as the OP is asking whether he should buy mainstream intel now, were saying wait (rumoured released at the moment is Feb 28th, so 6 weeks). And no I aint an AMD fan boy, on i7/1080 GTX here, just offering the best advice imo, not biasing it on my preference towards products. Remember Athlon 64...... I certainly do, it put a rocket up intel's arse to make improvements, they've been pretty shitty with the tick - tick - tock cycle recently hence why I have no reason to upgrade my 4790k, im hoping a shake up is around the corner, if there isnt, we lose nothing, but gain nothing also 

 

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3 minutes ago, rrubberr said:

 

 

Pretty sure cannonlake aint out until the end of the year, thats a long wait. 

 

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" Cannon Lake and Coffee Lake processors are expected to be made available starting in late 2017 and early 2018."

 

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/new-leak-may-have-exposed-details-of-intels-coffee-lake-and-cannon-lake-processors/
 

 

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14 hours ago, Strike105X said:

With that motherboard you cant upgrade your cpu, so regardless of what you choose you will also need to change the motherboard. The reason is that it has a horrible power phase design (also known as vrm) without even a heatsink, and wont be able to handle a FX83XX cpu, hell even 63xx is stretching it, that's how bad it is.

Then I'll just buy a new motherboard when I get a new CPU. I can easily wait a couple months, so I'll wait and see how the Ryzen ends up then proceed to buy what's best. Any suggestions on a motherboard? Are they AMD/Intel specific? 

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