AMD Ryzen 4 Core rumoured to have Hyper Threading disabled.

[DarkBlade2117]

33 minutes ago, Phate.exe said:

If I had to guess:

4c/4t to compete with i3's

4c/8t to compete with i5's

6c/12t to compete with "normal" i7's like the 6700k

8c/16t to compete with super-expensive cpu's like the 6900k

 

Also APU's will likely be spread around through the i3 and i5 range.

 

I don't believe for a second that the i3 market segment needs a 4c/8t processor.

AMD is targeting low market though. Though it may be right the SR7 will be at max $500 forcing the 6900k, 6800k ect to all drop in prices like rocks. Technically targeting the higher end market but keeping it at a <$500 range. Could be true about 6c/12t ect ect but SR7 won't be in the same price bracket as a 6900k.

[Phate.exe]

3 minutes ago, DarkBlade2117 said:

AMD is targeting low market though. Though it may be right the SR7 will be at max $500 forcing the 6900k, 6800k ect to all drop in prices like rocks. Technically targeting the higher end market but keeping it at a <$500 range. Could be true about 6c/12t ect ect but SR7 won't be in the same price bracket as a 6900k.

I suppose I should have clarified.  Those were the rough performance bracket comparisons, not necessarily price brackets.

[Simon771]

1 hour ago, deviant88 said:

Dream on, half the performance and OC pottential of Ryzen at 50$ hehe nope.

At best case 4core will be prices 150$ just above i3 and undercutting i5's, but with OC pottential. 6 core will be undercutting i7 4c/8t models  at ~300$.

Sadly even if these prices are good enough they will arive in the rest of the world outside of US at much higher prices add 100$ on top making Ryzen way too expensive, only in time they will drop, amd usually drops prices with time unlike shit intel. Im expecting to buy an ryzen 6core/12 thread OC unlocked in 2018 around <250$ but thats just a dream.

I said 4core at 50$ sounds a great deal because we don't even know the prices yet. And the OP sounded like bashing on AMD and saying that 4 core CPUs aren't good. Well depends on the price.

And yes I do expect 4c/4t Ryzen CPUs to be around 120$ price mark. Or maybe a bit lower, just to get the market back to them.

[RexinOridle]

It's AMD. Bet there will be a simple hack to enable it.

[XenosTech]

2 hours ago, leadeater said:

And the OC capability of a CPU shouldn't be used in any way to discern the performance of it and the success of the platform. Neither should clock rate for that matter but to a much lesser degree, only due to how technologically stuck we are with CPU design though.

 

Clock rate is just an arbitrary number meaningless in any way without supplementary information. Over clocking is not a fundamental part of computing and is just a technical challenge that enthusiast like to try out. If Ryzen was locked on all SKUs but was 15%-20% faster than all of Intel's offerings and cheaper it will sell extremely well, if people purchased logically.

That's one big if though and we already know from past evidence that people don't always take the most logical choice.

[NTDaws]

so how did u manage to fit that power supply in that case

[Doobeedoo]

Well I expected such, also SKUs with their SMT too.

[Belgarathian]

6 hours ago, Phate.exe said:

If I had to guess:

4c/4t to compete with i3's

4c/8t to compete with i5's

6c/12t to compete with "normal" i7's like the 6700k

8c/16t to compete with super-expensive cpu's like the 6900k

 

Also APU's will likely be spread around through the i3 and i5 range.

 

I don't believe for a second that the i3 market segment needs a 4c/8t processor.

I wouldn't be surprised to see - 

 

4c/4t to compete with i5's

4c/8t to compete with i7's

6c/12t bridge between 1151 & 2011-V3 (i7-5820k?)

8c/16t to compete with super-expensive CPUs on 2011-V3

 

AMD has openly said that they're no longer going to be seen as the 'cheaper' option, so I wouldn't expect them to price the CPUs more affordably than Intel offerings particularly if they're performing on-par. They'll price them and spec them for performance gaps in Intel's line-up, or price & compete directly with existing offerings. 

 

They have done the same with RTG's RX series. 

[SkilledRebuilds]

If the IPC is there.. 4c4t wont really screw you over if the price/performance is right on the money.

 

Nothing to bitch about. Want more, pony more dollars.. like you would with Intel.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Wait for tomorrow when they'll anounce there will also be dual cores with hyper-threading...people will go nuts!

 

 

[anotherriddle]

In reality this would not be a problem if people realized that hyperthreading does not magically double the number of cores. From a marketing standpoint this could be a problem though (depends on pricing).

[Space Reptile]

20 hours ago, DELTAprime said:

Well that's a let down.

yea I cant believe they did that

[Aniallation]

20 hours ago, Bouzoo said:

 Also CF/SLI only on X370. I'm sure some people with B350 would CF/SLI. 

That's pretty BS. 

[Aniallation]

11 hours ago, SkilledRebuilds said:

If the IPC is there.. 4c4t wont really screw you over if the price/performance is right on the money.

This is how i5 has always been and to this day it's still the sweet spot for gaming performance compared to price. It's really all you need, given that IPC lives up to what they say it is. So far it seems like it will though so fingers crossed. 

[Mihle]

But there wont by hype without hyper threading....

[Senzelian]

On 12.1.2017 at 0:04 PM, Dabombinable said:

As long as AMD ends up killing all fucking dual cores with fire (and yes, dual cores for Haswell and up are retarded).

Why would I want to use more expensive quad cores, when a dual will du the job just fine?

Imagine someone would replace my dual core m3 in my Asus convertible with a quad core. I would be pissed. 

[Okjoek]

I can see a price niche for this.

[Dabombinable]

26 minutes ago, Senzelian said:

Why would I want to use more expensive quad cores, when a dual will du the job just fine?

Imagine someone would replace my dual core m3 in my Asus convertible with a quad core. I would be pissed. 

That dual core is about as fast as my mediocre A8 4555M....

[Godlygamer23]

On 1/12/2017 at 5:27 AM, Simon771 said:

Depends how you look at it.

4 Ryzen cores for 50$ doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.

If the cores are any good, that is. I'm maintaining some level of skepticism toward Ryzen. Remember people talking up Bulldozer like it was the savior of CPUs, and would've blown Intel out of the water? I know we have benchmarks of Ryzen, but let's not go down that hole again. 

Edited January 13, 2017 by Godlygamer23
Terminology changes.

[Qyoon]

Canard pc ( even with it's funny name and joke) is one of the more trustable source we have in france.

Always being neutral about their subject , so it's smelling pretty good for AMD , atm , not a surprise anyway.

[PCGuy_5960]

On 1/12/2017 at 0:31 PM, Simon771 said:

I do hope they will also make some 6 core/12t CPU in Ryzen line.

AFAIK, they won't do something like that.... (For now at least)

[PCGuy_5960]

8 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

If the cores are any good, that is. I'm maintaining some level of skepticism toward Ryzen. Remember people talking up Bulldozer like it was the savior of CPUs, and would've blown Intel out of the water? I know we have benchmarks of Ryzen, but let's not go down that hole again. 

From the benchmarks, we find that Ryzen  is between Haswell and Broadwell per core...

TBH, that is very promising (if priced logically of course)

[Simon771]

7 minutes ago, Godlygamer23 said:

If the cores are any good, that is. I'm maintaining some level of skepticism toward Ryzen. Remember people talking up Bulldozer like it was the savior of CPUs, and would've blown Intel out of the water? I know we have benchmarks of Ryzen, but let's not go down that hole again. 

Trust me, I also don't trust AMD with those 2 videos about rendering.

We need much more than that to see if Ryzen is realy worth it. It's also kinda weird to me that clock on shown chip was 3,4GHz only ... Is that maximum? If those CPUs are capable of 4,0GHz and beyond, why didn't they show us that in rub it in Intel's face.

So yeah we are all Jon Snow's right now because we know nothing

 

Untill I see full details of CPUs and benchmarks from Cinebench, I won't concider buying it. But I do hope AMD will finally bring something good to the table.

[Humbug]

18 minutes ago, Atsura said:

Canard pc ( even with it's funny name and joke) is one of the more trustable source we have in france.

Always being neutral about their subject , so it's smelling pretty good for AMD , atm , not a surprise anyway.

yes it is... Looks competitive.

 

and I'm glad cause vega is not looking too promising...

[Senzelian]

4 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

That dual core is about as fast as my mediocre A8 4555M....

What dual core are you talking about?

Cause I'm sure a Skylake M3 destroys anything AMD currently hast to offer on the notebook market. Especially when you consider, that with a M3 battery lifes of up to 10 hours of useage are no problem.