AMD Zen server platform detailed

[Citadelen]

I'd like to see Linus make one of those over the top builds with two of the 32 core Opterons, like he did with the Xeon last year I think it was. 

 

@AnonymousGuy There's the increased core count, and probably a competitive price to name a couple. AMD has also said that they've received much more enthusiasm than originally expected, and have already secured a couple of contracts. Businesses aren't as entrenched as the average user, if they see a better option, they'll take it.

[Bouzoo]

3 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

4S Xeon E7 also provides 128 PCIe lanes.

I would like a source for that, the only info I can find is 40 tops. Namely this source.

 

Intel Xeon Families (June 2016)
	E3-1200 v5	E3-1500 v5 E3-1500M v5	E5-1600 v4 E5-2600 v4	E7-4800 v4	E7-8800 v4
Core Family	Skylake	Skylake	Broadwell	Broadwell	Broadwell
Core Count	2 to 4	2 to 4	4 to 22	8 to 16	4 to 24
Integrated Graphics	Few, HD 520	Yes, Iris Pro	No	No	No
DRAM Channels	2	2	4	4	4
Max DRAM Support (per CPU)	64 GB	64 GB	1536 GB	3072 GB	3072GB
DMI/QPI	DMI 3.0	DMI 3.0	2600: 1xQPI	3 QPI	3 QPI
Multi-Socket Support	No	No	2600: 1S or 2S	1S, 2S or 4S	Up to 8S
PCIe Lanes	16	16	40	32	32
Cost	$213 to $612	$396 to $1207	$294 to $4115	$1223 to $3003	$4061 to $7174
Suited For	Entry Workstations	QuickSync, Memory Compute	High-End Workstation	Many-Core Server	World Domination

[Drak3]

1 hour ago, Matias_Chambers said:

Isn't the Phi a co processor or something? Does it perform the same as a normal CPU?

Yes and no. Phi has been able to run independent for a few years, but is still primarily designed as a coprocessor.

 

[AnonymousGuy]

2 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

I would like a source for that, the only info I can find is 32 tops. Namely this source.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-e7-v4-broadwell-ex-cpu,31993.html

 

"PCIe lanes scale accordingly with the addition of more processors"

 

 

[Bouzoo]

4 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

https://www.mcmaster.com/#2429k44/=15vaxo4

 

"PCIe lanes scale accordingly with the addition of more processors"

Oh yeah, that would be 4 Xeons together, this is one CPU. Figured you meant 1 Xeon.

That solely is surely not enough for data centers to upgrade, but it is a huge bonus for the ones that are looking to upgrade. And I'll bet an arm and a leg they'll be much cheaper. *cough*

 

Also, tubing?

[AnonymousGuy]

1 minute ago, Bouzoo said:

Oh yeah, that would be 4 Xeons together, this is one CPU. Figured you meant 1 Xeon.

That solely is surely not enough for data centers to upgrade, but it is a huge bonus for the ones that are looking to upgrade. And I'll bet an arm and a leg they'll be much cheaper. *cough*

 

Also, tubing?

I'm teamviewered in to my desktop so copy paste was being a bitch and I had to edit-fix it   

 

It's still broken, but googling seems to indicate Naples is a "fake" 32 core where it's 4x8 cores on the same package to give them 128 lanes.

[Bouzoo]

2 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

It's still broken, but googling seems to indicate Naples is a "fake" 32 core where it's 4x8 cores on the same package to give them 128 lanes.

I will admit, it sounds too good to be true, and I'm not jumping to conclusions before they release it. We'll see. I'm expecting everything and nothing. 

[Sauron]

1 hour ago, Matias_Chambers said:

32 cores, that's better than anything Intel has to offer. Intel has a 24 core Xeon E7 8890 v4 for 7000$+. 

that's assuming they are clocked similarly, 32 cores seems like something that would generate a lot of heat and draw a lot of power.

[NumLock21]

1 hour ago, Trav_X said:

If you are ever looking into getting one, the older ones are actually relatively cheap on eBay. 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-Phi-5110P-Coprocessor-p-n-708360-001-C1P87A-NEW-/142235576628?hash=item211de6a934:g:odQAAOSwopRYbtPo

 

this one is 60 core 1.05ghz for only $575

Cheapest I saw a while back was $200.

[Doobeedoo]

That's pretty awesome. It will be interesting to see how Zen architectures scales as they said, it's very scalable.

[TheRandomness]

58 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

I will admit, it sounds too good to be true, and I'm not jumping to conclusions before they release it. We'll see. I'm expecting everything and nothing. 

1 hour ago, AnonymousGuy said:

I'm teamviewered in to my desktop so copy paste was being a bitch and I had to edit-fix it   

 

It's still broken, but googling seems to indicate Naples is a "fake" 32 core where it's 4x8 cores on the same package to give them 128 lanes.

Well, using 4x8 cores (MCM, like their current Magny Cours Opterons and whatnot) allows them to reuse consumer packages and therefore lose less money than if they had a monolithic die featuring 32 cores, and just one was dead

48 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Cheapest I saw a while back was $200.

There's a 57 core one going for £360 atm.. I want it so bad just because

[AnonymousGuy]

1 minute ago, TheRandomness said:

Well, using 4x8 cores (MCM, like their current Magny Cours Opterons and whatnot) allows them to reuse consumer packages and therefore loose less money than if they had a monolithic die featuring 32 cores, and just one was dead

There's a 57 core one going for £360 atm.. I want it so bad just because

But by not having a monolithic die they're going to lose a shitload of bandwidth having 8 core chunks separate from each other.  They're probably in a catch 22 where they can't afford the defects from a 32 core sized die .

[TheRandomness]

1 minute ago, AnonymousGuy said:

But by not having a monolithic die they're going to lose a shitload of bandwidth having 8 core chunks separate from each other.  They're probably in a catch 22 where they can't afford the defects from a 32 core sized die .

They might remake the chips and release a V2 version with a monolithic 32 core die, but later on when they have better yields from the 14nm process and when they're sure they have the money to do so (because who knows, with Vega, Navi and whatnot, they might not... I'm no economical person though, so don't take anything I say literally xd)

[NumLock21]

9 minutes ago, TheRandomness said:

 

There's a 57 core one going for £360 atm.. I want it so bad just because

I want one too just because, but that $200 one has no fan. I want a active cooling version, not a passive one!

 

 

[Cela1]

1 hour ago, Prysin said:

That my good sir, is called innovation. something Intel hasn't done for years

Intel be like:

 

Innovation? Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time.

[leadeater]

58 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

But by not having a monolithic die they're going to lose a shitload of bandwidth having 8 core chunks separate from each other.  They're probably in a catch 22 where they can't afford the defects from a 32 core sized die .

Not really, AMD's new GMI interface is extremely fast and remember this is still on the same CPU package. It may also be two 16 core dies for all we know too, four 8 cores seems more likely due to the 8 channel memory (4 dual channel dies).

[PianoPlayer88Key]

1 hour ago, Bouzoo said:

128 lanes. One hundred and twenty eight lanes. Both Xeon Phi 7290 and E7 8890V4 have 36 and 32, respectively. What the actual hell is this magic?

People are always defending Intel and saying: "Yeah, Intel mainly focuses on servers and stuff". Yeah, I can see that.

I'd actually like to see that on the consumer side, at least at the high end - meaning boards > $250.  That would be 7 PCI-E x16 slots (which brings it to 112 lanes), plus 3 M.2 slots plus the 4 CPU communication lanes.  

Also I really would like to see support for more than 64 (or 128) GB RAM on the consumer side.  Even if the price of a Naples board + CPU (at Newegg/Amazon) is comparable to an i7-5820K at MicroCenter and like one of the lowest-priced LGA2011-3 boards' pre-Zen-launch (or Black Friday) price, I still would rather have something that uses the same CPU socket as the consumer Ryzen CPUs, and that I could put in a regular consumer case, like a FD Define XL R2, Node 202, or something like those.  (Ryzen/AM4 only has 4 DIMM slots supporting 64GB, which isn't enough of an upgrade from my LGA1150 system, based on that alone.  My previous PC had 4GB of RAM, my current has 32GB, I'd like my next one to have capacity for at least 256GB or more.)

 

Also I was LOL'ing at your avatar What video is that GIF clipped from?

 

 

[Wolther]

2 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

-snip- 

 

What do you need 256 GB of ram for? More lanes would be nice.. Idk about 128 lanes though. I couldn't even be able to use every lane even if I tried to. 

[Bouzoo]

8 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

Also I was LOL'ing at your avatar What video is that GIF clipped from?

Here you go. 

 

 

[PianoPlayer88Key]

38 minutes ago, Wolther said:

What do you need 256 GB of ram for? More lanes would be nice.. Idk about 128 lanes though. I couldn't even be able to use every lane even if I tried to. 

I don't, yet, at least for my current use.  I'd be fine to start with 48 or 64 GB.  (And most of the time the 32GB on my desktop LGA1150/Z97/4790K platform is "good enough", but I do see swapping sometimes when I'm doing extensive research / shopping / etc.)

But ...

My previous system had 4GB (3GB usable).  I mentioned the current desktop already, also I have a laptop with 40GB installed that supports 64GB.  I was really hoping my next one would have its max capacity increased by at least the same factor, if not more.  (For example, 4GB -> 32GB -> 256GB if 8x per upgrade.)

Also, I'm wanting to be able to run multiple VMs, each of which might be doing its own memory-intensive tasks.  Also being able to edit 2+ hour 4K movies on a ramdisk would be nice.

I was hoping to keep my 4790K until 2020 or 2021 or so, but I really don't want to have to wait until then for >32GB RAM support.  I do have my laptop with its i7-6700K which, if I'm not running VMs or editing 4K entirely in RAM, should hold me over ...

 

But, only getting ~5fps when encoding 4K H.264 footage is really frustrating.  I'd really like to get at least 30fps, preferably 60fps, without spending more than what I would have spent on my 4790K + ASRock Z97 Extreme6 if I'd bought them on Black Friday at MicroCenter (that is, if MC stocked that mobo).  Also I've tried with Avidemux, DaVinci Resolve, and maybe one other program, and using a GTX 970M (laptop) vs HD 4600 (desktop) didn't help.  (I haven't tested with the 1060 SC 3GB in my desktop, but I doubt it'd help either.)

And, when 8K 120fps cameras are down to a reasonable price / quality (like the Panasonic FZ1000 is for 4K), then I'd want a similarly-priced-as-above PC that could encode that faster than realtime.

[LoE Ferret]

1 hour ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

I don't, yet, at least for my current use.  I'd be fine to start with 48 or 64 GB.  (And most of the time the 32GB on my desktop LGA1150/Z97/4790K platform is "good enough", but I do see swapping sometimes when I'm doing extensive research / shopping / etc.)

But ...

My previous system had 4GB (3GB usable).  I mentioned the current desktop already, also I have a laptop with 40GB installed that supports 64GB.  I was really hoping my next one would have its max capacity increased by at least the same factor, if not more.  (For example, 4GB -> 32GB -> 256GB if 8x per upgrade.)

Also, I'm wanting to be able to run multiple VMs, each of which might be doing its own memory-intensive tasks.  Also being able to edit 2+ hour 4K movies on a ramdisk would be nice.

I was hoping to keep my 4790K until 2020 or 2021 or so, but I really don't want to have to wait until then for >32GB RAM support.  I do have my laptop with its i7-6700K which, if I'm not running VMs or editing 4K entirely in RAM, should hold me over ...

 

But, only getting ~5fps when encoding 4K H.264 footage is really frustrating.  I'd really like to get at least 30fps, preferably 60fps, without spending more than what I would have spent on my 4790K + ASRock Z97 Extreme6 if I'd bought them on Black Friday at MicroCenter (that is, if MC stocked that mobo).  Also I've tried with Avidemux, DaVinci Resolve, and maybe one other program, and using a GTX 970M (laptop) vs HD 4600 (desktop) didn't help.  (I haven't tested with the 1060 SC 3GB in my desktop, but I doubt it'd help either.)

And, when 8K 120fps cameras are down to a reasonable price / quality (like the Panasonic FZ1000 is for 4K), then I'd want a similarly-priced-as-above PC that could encode that faster than realtime.

What do you do to need such equipment? Why so many VMs?

[it_dont_work]

4 hours ago, Bouzoo said:

That solely is surely not enough for data centers to upgrade, but it is a huge bonus for the ones that are looking to upgrade.

I would think in our current hardware echosystem, power consumption and heat output would be a higher priority for large data centers. *IF* these chips are more efficient and require less power than running multi cpu (2/4 cpu) boards, while putting out less heat that could be a big selling point. Large data centers pay more to cool the server rooms than to run the machines.

 

Interesting to see what happens with caching servers and all these amd pcie lanes. might be a shake up there.

[Pample]

4 hours ago, TheRandomness said:

They're atom cores on all the drugs in the world. With 4 way SMT.

Actually laughed so hard I spat coffee on my laptop.

[TechGod]

2 hours ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

I don't, yet, at least for my current use.  I'd be fine to start with 48 or 64 GB.  (And most of the time the 32GB on my desktop LGA1150/Z97/4790K platform is "good enough", but I do see swapping sometimes when I'm doing extensive research / shopping / etc.)

But ...

My previous system had 4GB (3GB usable).  I mentioned the current desktop already, also I have a laptop with 40GB installed that supports 64GB.  I was really hoping my next one would have its max capacity increased by at least the same factor, if not more.  (For example, 4GB -> 32GB -> 256GB if 8x per upgrade.)

Also, I'm wanting to be able to run multiple VMs, each of which might be doing its own memory-intensive tasks.  Also being able to edit 2+ hour 4K movies on a ramdisk would be nice.

I was hoping to keep my 4790K until 2020 or 2021 or so, but I really don't want to have to wait until then for >32GB RAM support.  I do have my laptop with its i7-6700K which, if I'm not running VMs or editing 4K entirely in RAM, should hold me over ...

 

But, only getting ~5fps when encoding 4K H.264 footage is really frustrating.  I'd really like to get at least 30fps, preferably 60fps, without spending more than what I would have spent on my 4790K + ASRock Z97 Extreme6 if I'd bought them on Black Friday at MicroCenter (that is, if MC stocked that mobo).  Also I've tried with Avidemux, DaVinci Resolve, and maybe one other program, and using a GTX 970M (laptop) vs HD 4600 (desktop) didn't help.  (I haven't tested with the 1060 SC 3GB in my desktop, but I doubt it'd help either.)

And, when 8K 120fps cameras are down to a reasonable price / quality (like the Panasonic FZ1000 is for 4K), then I'd want a similarly-priced-as-above PC that could encode that faster than realtime.

What exactly are you doing that needs all that high end equipment? I mean jeez. What are the VMs doing? I have 16GB and that works for a VM and programming.

[AlTech]

6 hours ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

xeon phi?

Xeon Phi at basically Atom potato cores