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good news everyone, looks like MS is finally considering toggling (disabling) driver updates from Windows 10 updates

source: https://mspoweruser.com/windows-10-build-15002-leaks-online-heres-whats-new/

 

some info of new W10 build, 15002, leaked on-line and one of the most notable changes to how Windows Update works is that it appears MS will give us a toggle switch for driver updates:

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Build 15002 includes a couple of new features, but they aren’t anything major as I noted earlier. Firstly, this build has a new toggle in Windows Update which lets users exclude driver updates from Windows Update, allowing you to prevent Windows Update from automatically installing updates for drivers.

 

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this is very good news, now only a matter of time for this implementation to go live - this is a major pain in the arse for me; on my laptop, if I update the Intel iGPU drivers the Windows Update will revert back to an earlier version

 

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update January 10th: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/01/09/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-15002-pc/#do166xwo3r0cGDD7.97

MicroSoft had to fuck it up, the toggle will not be available on W10 Home:

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We’ve added an option that will now allow you to decide whether or not to include driver updates when you update Windows. This capability will be available on Professional, Education, and Enterprise editions of Windows.

 

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I got interested when I saw you can pause updates until 2nd October 2017, but then I remembered the Americans write their dates wrong and it only means 10th February :/

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Iirc I read a week ago that fast ring is getting an update for picking updates that you want, which is even better news. So a month or two away for everyone else.

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great, i guess this means i can finally remove the AMD gaming evolved app from my mom's netbook without it infinitely returning and making stuff lag to shreds.

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12 minutes ago, zMeul said:

this is very good news, now only a matter of time for this implementation to go live - this is a major pain in the arse for me; on my laptop, if I update the Intel iGPU drivers the Windows Update will revert back to an earlier version

This! And it is not just older, but much older.

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"you can temporarily pause updates from being installed for up to 35 days"

i.e.: still trash. as useless as the privacy toggles.

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You can do that already by simply using your router and blocking all of the IP addresses used by their update servers.

 

Admittedly, you shouldn't have to do this.

 

Weird side note: I recently re-installed my copy of Windows 7 (it was time for a clean slate. System was a bit bloated) and I cannot get Windows Update to work at all. It's been "checking for updates" for over a week now, still nothing.

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6 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

"you can temporarily pause updates from being installed for up to 35 days"

i.e.: still trash. as useless as the privacy toggles.

I was so excited about the driver bit I missed this. This appears to be separate from the driver toggle, and I think finally makes Win10 Updates usable to me without my blocking of it. Basically I can't have my PC rebooting unless I explicitly tell it to, so I can't let the current WU system run. If this 35 day block means it wont reboot for 35 days, that is acceptable. I usually do a manual update after patch Tuesday so 35 days could be minimally acceptable depending on how exactly it works.

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8 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

Weird side note: I recently re-installed my copy of Windows 7 (it was time for a clean slate. System was a bit bloated) and I cannot get Windows Update to work at all. It's been "checking for updates" for over a week now, still nothing.

Best belongs in another thread, but it is a common problem which seems to go away if you can get the updates current enough. Manually download and install SP1 if needed and the convenience update to get most of the way there. Then you may need to get a bit tricky. As workaround I've taken to using wsusoffline which downloads a local copy of updates, then you can use that to update the system. Run repeatedly until it says no more available and then hopefully the built in one will work in a sane amount of time again. The downloaded updates, if stored on a flash stick or networked location, can be used on multiple PCs.

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18 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

Weird side note: I recently re-installed my copy of Windows 7 (it was time for a clean slate. System was a bit bloated) and I cannot get Windows Update to work at all. It's been "checking for updates" for over a week now, still nothing.

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Driver updates from windows update is extremely useful. Can't understand why some don't like it.

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Neat addition to update settings. Though never had problem with it as far as GPU drivers. I have latest installed and Windows updated doesn't show anything. As should be.

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This is great. Had a laptop. Still great, only thing about it is that the GPU is already half dead. If the driver is installed it'll crash. And you have to boot into safe mode. 

But every fuckin time I uninstall the driver. Shit ass win 10 installs it again. Obviously I fixed this by doing all scumy shit. But it'll be real nice if win 10 would stop doing that. 

 

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Fault doesn't lie with Win 10 automatically updating my driver. Fault lies with win 10 not having an option to disable it. 

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32 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Driver updates from windows update is extremely useful. Can't understand why some don't like it.

I think you missed /s there. Can't agree more, what a nice feature, if you have some older hw that is not in ms repository or drivers for it haven't been updated in quite some, it will just decide to delete drivers for it all together every update, updates feel more exciting with it

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1 minute ago, ShiftyFella said:

I think you missed /s there. Can't agree more, what a nice feature, if you have some older hw that is not in ms repository or drivers for it haven't been update in quite some, it will just decide to delete drivers for it all together every update, updates feel more exciting with it

This part makes no sense.

When a driver is already in ms repository it will always be in that repository. It does not get removed.

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1 hour ago, Fetzie said:

I got interested when I saw you can pause updates until 2nd October 2017, but then I remembered the Americans write their dates wrong and it only means 10th February :/

Wait what? I thought dates were the same across the world but just written in a different order. Like today is 1/7/17 for me, but for you it is written as 7/1/17 (not including time zone difference, just example)  Nevermind.. I got what you meant. The order made the month look different

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56 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

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Awesome. Thank you.

 

I find myself wondering if this issue is related in any way to Windows 10. If I had to guess I'd say all their update servers are busy handling Windows 10, so Windows 7 just gets left in the dust.

 

It would make sense, considering all the stuff M$ has been doing since Windows 10 came out, to force people off of Windows 7 and onto the newer OS.

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43 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

Driver updates from windows update is extremely useful. Can't understand why some don't like it.

If you have no driver, or an out of date one, an update can be a good thing. The problem is when Windows thinks it knows better, and it sounds like myself and zMeul have encountered cases where if you install the latest Intel GPU driver, Windows Update thinks its older one is better and downgrades it for you. Also I have seen cases in the past (pre-Win10) where it can get confused and actually try to install the wrong driver.

 

While fire-and-forget is fine most of the time, for more critical things like this I would at least like the option of user intervention to choose if a driver should be updated.

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2 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

Awesome. Thank you.

 

I find myself wondering if this issue is related in any way to Windows 10. If I had to guess I'd say all their update servers are busy handling Windows 10, so Windows 7 just gets left in the dust.

As in, another artificial and hostile Microsoft tactic to try to get people to move to Windows 10? Yep, it's that.

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6 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

As in, another artificial and hostile Microsoft tactic to try to get people to move to Windows 10? Yep, it's that.

I didn't want to flat out accuse them of that. At least not over this.

 

I mean, even I can't really be that angry about it. Their new product is being adopted, and it makes sense logistically that most of their servers would be re-tasked to service that product rather than the old product. Aggravating as hell, but not really that evil. It wouldn't make sense for them to spend the money to roll out new servers to service the new product and keep so many other servers running for the old product. It's not entirely unreasonable, I would be angrier if they did it to businesses, but as a general consumer I expect the short end of the stick (we don't spend enough money to be "important")

 

I'm just waiting for them to get their heads out of their asses, and allow us to toggle updates, turn off the telemetry, and not have cumulative updates. Once those three things happen, and I don't have to finagle the damned thing to be secure, I will adopt Windows 10.

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11 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

Awesome. Thank you.

 

I find myself wondering if this issue is related in any way to Windows 10. If I had to guess I'd say all their update servers are busy handling Windows 10, so Windows 7 just gets left in the dust.

 

It would make sense, considering all the stuff M$ has been doing since Windows 10 came out, to force people off of Windows 7 and onto the newer OS.

I had read the reason Windows 7 updates are so slow now is because when a new version of Windows comes out the older versions get updates from servers with older hardware and a much smaller server farm (i.e. less bandwidth/connectivity). Since Windows 7 is basically ancient at this point in internet years it's probably hosted on a fraction of the servers of Windows 8, Windows 8.1, and Windows 10.

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7 minutes ago, NumLock21 said:

This part makes no sense.

When a driver is already in ms repository it will always be in that repository. It does not get removed.

I'm not talking about MS repository servers. I'm talking what MS update system decided to do to your system, when there is no drivers for an older device in its repository or its policy when drivers in that repository hasn't been updated in some time.  Every update it always deletes drivers for my Skystar dvb s2 pcie tuner, with alert in action centre saying MS update system removed older drivers, as they haven't been updated in over 6month. Last drivers released for it were for win7 but they work perfectly on win10 without any issues but MS policy is annoying. Anniversary update flat out deleted half of my programs, even updated ccleaner got nuked saying it got rid of old and incompatible software, after that update win10 now refuses to work with my old pci AverMedia analog tv tunner, despite it working perfectly before using xp drivers for it, same thing happened to my HP All in one but I got it fixed by using windows generic drivers not the one that HP supplies. Resetting file type\program preferences occasionally cause it thinks it detected some bogus issue is annoying too, this is extra comical when it resets its own Office 2013 to store version of Office365 that I don't have installed and it always takes you to MS Store page Get Office, if you forgot to change things back when you open excel or word document

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7 minutes ago, ShiftyFella said:

I'm not talking about MS repository servers. I'm talking what MS update system decided to do to your system, when there is no drivers for an older device in its repository or its policy when drivers in that repository hasn't been updated in some time.  Every update it always deletes drivers for my Skystar dvb s2 pcie tuner, with alert in action centre saying MS update system removed older drivers, as they haven't been updated in over 6month. Last drivers released for it were for win7 but they work perfectly on win10 without any issues but MS policy is annoying. Anniversary update flat out deleted half of my programs, even updated ccleaner got nuked saying it got rid of old and incompatible software, after that update win10 now refuses to work with my old pci AverMedia analog tv tunner, despite it working perfectly before using xp drivers for it, same thing happened to my HP All in one but I got it fixed by using windows generic drivers not the one that HP supplies. Resetting file type\program preferences occasionally cause it thinks it detected some bogus issue is annoying too, this is extra comical when it resets its own Office 2013 to store version of Office365 that I don't have installed and it always takes you to MS Store page Get Office, if you forgot to change things back when you open excel or word document

M$ seems to be trying to be Apple.

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2 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

Driver updates from windows update is extremely useful. Can't understand why some don't like it.

because if I install a newer driver that MS has, Windows Updates will force install the older driver instead

why is it so hard to understand

 

the same goes the other way around: if you have a older driver, because new ones give you shit, MS will force the driver it has in Windows Updates

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