New XPS 15 9560, 1050 lackluster performance...

[Lillchillers]

Hi!

 

DELL put the 1050 in their new XPS 15 instead of the 1050 TI. Benchmark at notebookcheck is already out showing that the notebook 1050 is slower than a 965m and only 20% better than the 960m. The 1050 ti is 50-60% faster than the 960m as early leaks have showed. If these benchmarks are correct then why the hell did they choose the non TI variant when they share the same TDP.

 

I´ve been waiting on a slim businesses looking laptop with good battery life and graphical power to play most games at 1080p 60fps+ and thought the DELL XPS 15 9560 would be the one....

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mainstream-Pascal-GeForce-GTX-1050-Ti-and-GTX-1050-in-Review.189822.0.html

[Eason85]

It's clearly stated in the article that they don't share the same TDP. I believe the 1050 will be running at 40W. Samsung called 40W "full power" for that chip's performance.

The 1050 will be plenty enough performance for me, since I can't think of any game I play that it can't keep 60 fps in. Maybe Doom? I'll be gaming on an eGPU anyway.

[Pendragon]

12 minutes ago, Lillchillers said:

I´ve been waiting on a slim businesses looking laptop with good battery life and graphical power to play most games at 1080p 60fps+ and thought the DELL XPS 15 9560 would be the one....

Why not put a 1080 in it? Cause thermal constraints. The XPS15 cooling system was surprisingly good under max load of OCCT + Unigine. Given that Pascal is more thermally dense than Maxwell, Dell did the smart thing and put a 1050 in it. You have to remember that the XPS15 wasn't designed for gaming. It's designed for work. The GPU there is just to accelerate workflows that require CUDA like Premiere. It wasn't designed for people to play games with. The XPS15 also is needed to serve as the template to the Precision 5510 and that CANNOT overheat. Hence, Dell chose to put a 1050 with it. 

 

Also TDP isn't a measure of how hot something can get. Most Maxwell and Pascal cards have the same TDP but due to thermal density, the cards are very different in how hard the heat is to cool. The 1050ti will be hotter than the 1050 and I'm guessing without after market repaste and repad, it will be too close to thermal limits. 

[spellmanuk]

remeber the xps 15 is more aimed as a high end business/professional laptop there competitor to the MacBook and not gmaing so while you could quite easily game on it but its more in there so it can help with that 4k display when playing youtube or netflix in 4k since it has kaybe lake in it 

[Lillchillers]

I understand that there are heatlimitations in a small form factor. It's probably me being dissapointed after all the hype and rumors.

 

First being dissapointed in the razer blade which where going to be so amazing with a 1060.  And now the Dell xps 15. I was hopping that the 1050 ti would be the sweetspot for heat/performance in slim notebooks

 

Seems that my expectations are to high. I will have to wait 1-2 years for a slim buissnes looking laptop with good battery and graphical power to play most games at 60fps 1080p with high settings.

[Pendragon]

31 minutes ago, Lillchillers said:

Seems that my expectations are to high. I will have to wait 1-2 years for a slim buissnes looking laptop with good battery and graphical power to play most games at 60fps 1080p with high settings.

There's probably gonna be some 1050ti notebook that fits your needs. Given that it's such a new chip we should wait a bit before deciding there are not good options. And also, XPS15 isn't a business notebook. It's a premium laptop LOL. Business notebooks aren't chasing the thin and premium. 

 

And also I think post of the more knowledgable folks that have been posting here have consistently said it was going to be the 1050. Given that the XPS15 had the 2gb 960m last time, most of us didn't expect for it to get the ti version.

 

I'm sure something will come up soon. 

[Imglidinhere]

What? The 1050 is 50% faster in every game compared to the 960M. It's only about 20% faster than the 965M but that's to be expected.

 

Essentially the 1050 is everything we loved about the 960M (750 Ti) with double the Raster Operators (ROPs) letting it push pixels faster. >W> And higher clockspeeds... and faster memory...  

[Lillchillers]

3 hours ago, Imglidinhere said:

What? The 1050 is 50% faster in every game compared to the 960M. It's only about 20% faster than the 965M but that's to be expected.

 

Essentially the 1050 is everything we loved about the 960M (750 Ti) with double the Raster Operators (ROPs) letting it push pixels faster. >W> And higher clockspeeds... and faster memory...  

You are talking about the 1050 ti. The regular 1050 which is only 20-30% faster than the 960m will be on par with the 965m....

[Imglidinhere]

16 minutes ago, Lillchillers said:

You are talking about the 1050 ti. The regular 1050 which is only 20-30% faster than the 960m will be on par with the 965m....

Notebookcheck.net says otherwise. I just read the review when you said this and you're intensely wrong. It's a range of 35-50% faster than the 960M and it only dips down to around 30% faster in like... one game. In every other game it's a solid 50% increase. Read it again.

 

Just remember when something is 50% faster it is NOT the same thing as 50% slower. The relative performance of each item in question comes into play. If you're saying that the 960M has a result that's 30% lower than the 1050, that's because you're looking at the 960M from the perspective of the 1050. If you looked at it in the opposite sense, it'd be a 50% increase FROM the 960M.

 

In layman's terms, the 960M is approximately two thirds the speed and performance of the 1050.

[dev7117]

On 1/6/2017 at 4:30 AM, Eason85 said:

It's clearly stated in the article that they don't share the same TDP. I believe the 1050 will be running at 40W. Samsung called 40W "full power" for that chip's performance.

The 1050 will be plenty enough performance for me, since I can't think of any game I play that it can't keep 60 fps in. Maybe Doom? I'll be gaming on an eGPU anyway.

I recently purchased this machine with the same ideas you have stated here. I will say that the 1050 performance has been less then great. I cant run wow passed a 4/10 on the graphical settings and many games are running far below what i would have expected. I opted for the top of the line model but with the 1080p screen for better battery life. Other then this, I would consider the machine to be the perfect laptop for myself personally. But since the 1050 isnt running games well for me, I am sitting in the spot of needed the eGpu earlier then I expected. How did you plan to accomplish this? razer core with a bios update to allow it?

[Pendragon]

2 hours ago, dev7117 said:

But since the 1050 isnt running games well for me, I am sitting in the spot of needed the eGpu earlier then I expected. How did you plan to accomplish this? razer core with a bios update to allow it?

 

you really shouldn't have purchased the XPS15 for gaming or eGPU. It's TB3 only has 2 lanes. Otherwise, get the Akitio Node instead of the core. There's guides for connecting the XPS15 to the Akitio already. 

[Eason85]

On 2/15/2017 at 11:29 PM, dev7117 said:

I recently purchased this machine with the same ideas you have stated here. I will say that the 1050 performance has been less then great. I cant run wow passed a 4/10 on the graphical settings and many games are running far below what i would have expected. I opted for the top of the line model but with the 1080p screen for better battery life. Other then this, I would consider the machine to be the perfect laptop for myself personally. But since the 1050 isnt running games well for me, I am sitting in the spot of needed the eGpu earlier then I expected. How did you plan to accomplish this? razer core with a bios update to allow it?

The node or the core both work; anything but asus xg 2 work.