AMD A12-9800 benchmarks popped-it's eh

[Djole123]

So, with Bristol Ridge out of the way crushing every single benchmark, I want to, as always, take a look at the mid tier stuff. Today we have the AMD A12-9800.

 

 

Benchmarks of the A12 9800 popped out and they are, simply put, eh. Not entirely unexpected, but also not mindblowing.

 

So, it's pretty much on par with its predecessor, the A10-7850K. I mean I'm not quite dissapointed (since it's basically an Excavator refresh), but they could've done better.

 

So what does this mean for consumers? If you're going to use it with its integrated Polaris based GPU, then sure, it's going to be better at gaming. But for usage with a dGPU, you won't see any performance improvements.

Also I have to mention that the A12-9800 is going to be a great overclocker. It reached 4.8GHz on the Wraith cooler stabily.

 

We also have to look at one key factor, the price tag. If this is priced correctly, it will sell.

 

Source:

http://ocaholic.ch/modules/news/article.php?storyid=15947

[iRileyx]

I think these were posted the other day. Definitely seen them somewhere before.

They're quite disappointing honestly. 

[Lord Nicoll]

2 minutes ago, Djole123 said:

So, with Bristol Ridge out of the way crushing every single benchmark, I want to, as always, take a look at the mid tier stuff. Today we have the AMD A12-9800.

 

 

Benchmarks of the A12 9800 popped out and they are, simply put, eh. Not entirely unexpected, but also not mindblowing.

 

So, it's pretty much on par with its predecessor, the A10-7850K. I mean I'm not quite dissapointed (since it's basically an Excavator refresh), but they could've done better.

 

So what does this mean for consumers? If you're going to use it with its integrated Polaris based GPU, then sure, it's going to be better at gaming. But for usage with a dGPU, you won't see any performance improvements.

Also I have to mention that the A12-9800 is going to be a great overclocker. It reached 4.8GHz on the Wraith cooler stabily.

 

We also have to look at one key factor, the price tag. If this is priced correctly, it will sell.

 

Source:

http://ocaholic.ch/modules/news/article.php?storyid=15947

if that's real then that better be the lowest tier of APU, 

[Morgan MLGman]

This APU is still based essentially on an improved version of Bulldozer and it still uses their old CMT design, albeit improved. Though it's still weird that it's below older APUs at such high clocks, seems impossible as Excavator should bring a good few % of IPC improvement over Kaveri

[LegendKillerRG]

14 minutes ago, Lord Nicoll said:

if that's real then that better be the lowest tier of APU, 

When you quote the whole news post.

 

Anyways, AMD are Ryzen when it comes to enthusiast. But these APU are pretty good for laptop based PC.

[Lord Nicoll]

5 minutes ago, LegendKillerRG said:

When you quote the whole news post.

 

Anyways, AMD are Ryzen when it comes to enthusiast. But these APU are pretty good for laptop based PC.

deal with it. But yeah, I think AMD know that APU's for budget gaming desktops didn't work out too good, even a cheap quad core Athlon and GTX 750ti beat the best APU for only a little more, sometimes little less. 
*edit somehow hit entre before I was done*

 

Edited January 3, 2017 by Lord Nicoll

[Djole123]

27 minutes ago, Lord Nicoll said:

if that's real then that better be the lowest tier of APU, 

It's the highest tier APU

[Lord Nicoll]

1 minute ago, Djole123 said:

It's the highest tier APU

dear god, well, as I posted in another response, 

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I think AMD know that APU's for budget gaming desktops didn't work out too good, even a cheap quad core Athlon and GTX 750ti beat the best APU for only a little more, sometimes little less. 

 

[patrickjp93]

And still weaker than a 5775C, pathetic...

[Djole123]

I have to note again, the A12-9800 is not based off Zen, rather the Bristol Ridge architecture, an Excavator refresh. That's why it's pretty much on par with the last gen A10-7850K, but it has a better GPU and support for dual channel DDR4. It uses the same chipset as Zen, so you can upgrade at any time.

[Lord Nicoll]

17 minutes ago, Djole123 said:

I have to note again, the A12-9800 is not based off Zen, rather the Bristol Ridge architecture, an Excavator refresh. That's why it's pretty much on par with the last gen A10-7850K, but it has a better GPU and support for dual channel DDR4. It uses the same chipset as Zen, so you can upgrade at any time.

Well that makes sense, it better be sub $100 then, like bottom of the barrel stuff, 

[Prysin]

1 hour ago, Djole123 said:

So, with Bristol Ridge out of the way crushing every single benchmark, I want to, as always, take a look at the mid tier stuff. Today we have the AMD A12-9800.

 

 

Benchmarks of the A12 9800 popped out and they are, simply put, eh. Not entirely unexpected, but also not mindblowing.

 

So, it's pretty much on par with its predecessor, the A10-7850K. I mean I'm not quite dissapointed (since it's basically an Excavator refresh), but they could've done better.

 

So what does this mean for consumers? If you're going to use it with its integrated Polaris based GPU, then sure, it's going to be better at gaming. But for usage with a dGPU, you won't see any performance improvements.

Also I have to mention that the A12-9800 is going to be a great overclocker. It reached 4.8GHz on the Wraith cooler stabily.

 

We also have to look at one key factor, the price tag. If this is priced correctly, it will sell.

 

Source:

http://ocaholic.ch/modules/news/article.php?storyid=15947

and you know the best thing?

 

ZENs IMC is supposedly based on the Bristol one....

 

2 weeks more and ill know if im right. either way, called in weeks ago.

[Vode]

1 hour ago, Morgan MLGman said:

This APU is still based essentially on an improved version of Bulldozer and it still uses their old CMT design, albeit improved. Though it's still weird that it's below older APUs at such high clocks, seems impossible as Excavator should bring a good few % of IPC improvement over Kaveri

It has only a 65W TDP and half the L2 Cache of the Kaveri model, which was 95W TDP. 

[patrickjp93]

1 minute ago, Vode said:

It has only a 65W TDP and half the L2 Cache of the Kaveri model, which was 95W TDP. 

AMD's merely using a different model of TDP which doesn't take AVX1/2 code paths into account. Since only server SOCs tend to, that's a fair design claim for desktop users.

[matrix07012]

1 hour ago, Lord Nicoll said:

deal with it. But yeah, I think AMD know that APU's for budget gaming desktops didn't work out too good, even a cheap quad core Athlon and GTX 750ti beat the best APU for only a little more, sometimes little less. 
*edit somehow hit entre before I was done*

 

Here is a great example of this

[Aniallation]

AMD needs to stop spending so much time with trying to come up with as many different product numbers as they can and instead focus on making Ryzen as good as they can get it. They should have just left it at 7850K, all this is just confusing and a waste of time IMO.

[patrickjp93]

2 minutes ago, Aniallation said:

AMD needs to stop spending so much time with trying to come up with as many different product numbers as they can and instead focus on making Ryzen as good as they can get it. They should have just left it at 7850K, all this is just confusing and a waste of time IMO.

Nope, AMD should waste as much money as possible and collapse entirely. Let Nvidia inherit the CPU and APU IP and let Intel have RTG. Competition would be bolstered on both fronts.

[Doobeedoo]

Tbh I was a bit surprised they carried over older architecture to new AM4 platform, but I guess it makes sense for low end.

[DocSwag]

2 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

And still weaker than a 5775C, pathetic...

It's not like we expected it to be better...

[Vode]

1 hour ago, patrickjp93 said:

AMD's merely using a different model of TDP which doesn't take AVX1/2 code paths into account. Since only server SOCs tend to, that's a fair design claim for desktop users.

Ok, I thought the difference in cache size was affecting the change in the TDP, because it's larger compared to the core logic, or is this not the case?

[CtrlAltELITE]

Inb4 all of zen turns out to just be another excavator refresh. AMD and there old tricks!

[jimakos234]

Bristol ridge != Zen. Nothing to see here. I think that this came up on September 2016.

[dalekphalm]

1 hour ago, CtrlAltELITE said:

Inb4 all of zen turns out to just be another excavator refresh. AMD and there old tricks!

You realize that if AMD did that, they would literally be signing a death warrant? Not only would it open them up to massive lawsuits for false advertising and misleading investors, but it would also destroy all public confidence in them.

 

No way that's happening. Sure, Ryzen might not live up to the expectations (Especially those created by the Hype Mill and AMD fanboys, not by AMD themselves), but everything I've seen, has led me to believe that Ryzen is going to be pretty solid, and competitive with current and near future Intel offerings.