AMD Announces 'FreeSync 2'

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1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

Adding a thing to FreeSync inherently improves the functionality, you just added a feature! 

I bet you thought that marketing dual gpu cards as having "8gb" of vram vs "4gb x 2" made sense too.

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Fetzie said:

Microsoft added "Aero now works" to Vista and called it "Windows 7" /shrug.

Uhh no

[HKZeroFive]

5 minutes ago, Starelementpoke said:

Is this one of them?:

-snip-

It's not bad but it's not my style either.

 

I thought this was quite good:

 

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Swatson said:

 "8gb" 

technically they do, practically they dont. 

[Delicieuxz]

ITT: resident anti-AMD-propagandist is trying to derail and obfuscate the issue, to prevent positive press or discussion for AMD.

 

3 minutes ago, zMeul said:

it does not add to FreeSync, it's it's own thing

Added to Free-Sync, so that they're no longer separate things, with separate and compounding input lags.

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2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

technically they do, practically they dont. 

I know they technically do, thats why i specifically said how it was marketed, which was the issue. The same issue as this. Technical marketers need to get more technical. See also: GTX 970 Ramgate

[Fetzie]

3 minutes ago, zMeul said:

it does not add to FreeSync, it's it's own thing

 

can HDR work on displays without Adaptive Sync? yes - that's why they're calling it FreeSync 2

They're not saying "we can now do HDR faster". At least, not on its own. What they've done is reduce the latency introduced by adding HDR processing to the pipeline, which means they can support variable refresh rates while rendering in HDR. That's what is new. It is a new generation of FreeSync, because "FreeSync 1" can't do VRR with HDR. FreeSync 2 can.

[MageTank]

Freesync: The Syncquel!

 

Make the check out to cash AMD, i'll be waiting.

[DrMacintosh]

4 minutes ago, Swatson said:

The same issue as this. 

How are these issues the same in any way? 

 

This new AMD tech is giving you a practical benefit and is changing the name and validly so. 

 

If AMD called it, FreeSync+HDR that would mean it has FreeSync and HDR. 

 

If AMD called it FreeSync 2, that means they have improved FreeSync......have they? Yes they added HDR to it and combined the two techs and improved them both 

 

Its the same thing and there is literally 0 point in arguing about it. 

[zMeul]

5 minutes ago, Fetzie said:

They're not saying "we can now do HDR faster". At least, not on its own. What they've done is reduce the latency introduced by adding HDR processing to the pipeline, which means they can support variable refresh rates while rendering in HDR. That's what is new. It is a new generation of FreeSync, because "FreeSync 1" can't do VRR with HDR. FreeSync 2 can.

yeah .. nope

AMD's goal is achieved since you defend it without knowing what you're defending

 

HDR Tone Mapping adds 32ms latency per frame - and "FreeSync 2" apparently does that inside the GPU somehow

but it has absolutely nothing to do with Adaptive Sync (FreeSync), that's why the naming is utter retarded and already created confusion

[vanished]

Well if it actually is different, this is better than not changing the name at all *cough Titan X cough*

 

Speaking of which, I'm a little lost about what exactly is going on here... clearly there's something to do with HDR, but, forgive me for thinking that refresh technology and bit depth aren't really related in any way... 

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1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

How are these issues the same in any way? 

 

This new AMD tech is giving you a practical benefit and is changing the name and validly so. 

 

If AMD called it, FreeSync+HDR that would mean it has FreeSync and HDR. 

 

If AMD called it FreeSync 2, that means they have improved FreeSync......have they? Yes they added HDR to it. 

 

Its the same thing and there is literally 0 point in arguing about it. 

No it's not the same thing to the average consumer. When they see Freesync 2, they are gonna think it supports larger ranges or improved variable refresh rate, not just the addition of HDR.

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, Swatson said:

they are gonna think it supports larger ranges or improved variable refresh rate, not just the addition of HDR.

But there is a change! Unlike Nvidia where they went from Titan X to Titan X. At least AMD made an effort. 

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4 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

But there is a change! Unlike Nvidia where they went from Titan X to Titan X. At least AMD made an effort. 

Right, but saying "at least AMD changed the name at all" does not exonerate them from properly naming their products/technology. Nvidia's choice of names for their gpus has no relation to how AMD should name their stuff.

[samcool55]

Well, that's good.

 

Atm i don't care about HDR but it's nice this stuff is futureproof.

And i'm wondering what Nvidia would answer if they even care to answer....

 

I mean if you look at monitors, the freesync market reaches further than the g-sync market and there are more options out there.

And apart from the price difference, freesync 2 offers more than g-sync now does so nvidia can release another competitor (maybe a less expensive one) or be the good guy (they won't but whatever :p) and add freesync support.

[Fetzie]

9 minutes ago, zMeul said:

yeah .. nope

AMD's goal is achieved since you defend it without knowing what you're defending

 

HDR Tone Mapping adds 32ms latency per frame - and "FreeSync 2" apparently does that inside the GPU somehow

but it has absolutely nothing to do with Adaptive Sync (FreeSync), that's why the naming is utter retarded and already created confusion

According to the slides (slide 1) the processing of the tone mapping is shifted to the GPU from the monitor's controller, which has more power and can do it faster (i.e. quicker than 30 times per second). This means it can be done with FreeSync active as the tone mapping happens before the VRR controller on the graphics card decides how fast the next frame will be sent to the monitor instead of after the frame has been sent to the monitor (as happens in current 'standard' freesync).

 

That's the change. Tone Mapping is done before the VRR engine decides on the frame-rate, not after.

 

Before: some magic happens to make a frame -> VRR -> frame dispatched to monitor -> tone mapping -> frame displayed

After: some magin happens to make a frame -> tone mapping -> VRR -> frame dispatched to monitor -> frame displayed

[DrMacintosh]

5 minutes ago, Swatson said:

does not exonerate them from properly naming their products/technology.

Who are you to tell a major buisness how to run their company? There are only a few people with that kind of power, and they all work for AMD. Or are major investors. Do you work for AMD? 

 

If you answered no, then please be quite. 

[zMeul]

1 minute ago, Fetzie said:

According to the slides (slide 1) the processing of the tone mapping is shifted to the GPU from the monitor's controller, which has more power and can do it faster (i.e. quicker than 30 times per second). This means it can be done with FreeSync active as the tone mapping happens before the VRR controller on the graphics card decides how fast the next frame will be sent to the monitor.

you are adding fantesy into the mix

can you point me to where in those slides it sais Adaptive Sync?

[BingoFishy]

Thought my new FreeSync monitor became old for a second. Phew.

 

FreeSync 2 is a terrible name, I agree. I think that FreeSyncHDR or FreeSync+ would have been better.

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4 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Who are you to tell a major buisness how to run their company? There are only a few people with that kind of power, and they all work for AMD. Do you work for AMD? 

 

If you answered no, then please be quite. 

It's called constructive criticism. You don't get to tell me to be "quite" (quiet) just because you agree with them and I don't. My opinion is no less correct than yours.

[Guest]

Will NVidia release GSync 2 for us and make the monitor costs $1000+

[DrMacintosh]

2 minutes ago, Swatson said:

Your opinion is no less correct than mine.

It is not my opinion that you dont get to tell AMD how to operate

 

The only people that do are their executives. 

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2 minutes ago, BingoFishy said:

Thought my new FreeSync monitor became old for a second. Phew.

 

FreeSync 2 is a terrible name, I agree. I think that FreeSyncHDR or FreeSync+ would have been better.

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2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

It is not my opinion that you dont get to tell AMD how to operate, its fact. 

 

The only people that do are their executives. 

Are you 12? I hope you apply the same logic the next time you disagree with a company's choice.

[samcool55]

3 minutes ago, zMeul said:

you are adding fantesy into the mix

can you point me to where in those slides it sais Adaptive Sync?

Freesync = adaptive sync

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeSync

The fact it now has a 2 behind the name doesn't change the meaning of Freesync...

 

Hey i applied logic! Maybe you should start doing the same >_>