Do you agree with nVidia's GPU pricing... - IT HAS DOUBLED!

[WhiteSkyMage]

Alright guys,

Many of you are hyped for that GTX 1080Ti right? You expect it to cost what? $700? $800? Even $900? Many of you bought GTX 1070, because you thought it's the best price/performance ratio.... actually, it all seems to be wrong for me when I look at things, the way they were and the way they are now. 

Look back in history and tell me, what was the price of GTX 480? What was it's price. As I remember having one of those, it was somewhere around $500. By the way - This was a 1st Tier GPU! Yes, 1st tier, meaning the best performance GPU from that generation. It was a TITAN effectively. What happened after that in the 600 series Kepler cards? They launched a GTX Titan and marketed it as a "compute" card, somewhere between professional and consumer. It's price was $1000. Great, but it was also a cut down version! Yet we had GTX 680 which was a what $600 GPU? OK so in that case, our 1st tier GPU was not really meant for gaming, or it was more of a prof. Fine, but came in Maxwell and guess what - all of that double precision stuff was off, and so the Titan X was marketed at GAMING! For $1000?! How did it happen so quickly? And this Titan XP as well - still marketed for gamers, and this time for $1200. Yet even now you expect that a Ti card would cost $700 or more, so wait a second mate, how did it go up so quickly? From $500 1st tier, best GPU of the line up, now was $1200, or $700+ (cut down). How did this become the norm?

 

So if you bought a Titan XP, could you tell, what would be your maximum price that you would pay for a GPU in the next generations. Because nVidia will not stay with that price - oh no, they have the taste of money, they will try and ask more. $2000? $3000 maybe? 

 

Heck this is one reason why I think the Vega 10 is a better option for upgrading, not the GTX 1080Ti. AMD does place their GPUs well within the price/performance ratio, and the fact that GTX 970 is no longer, nor the GTX 1070 a price/perf king, no, only an RX480 is. Look at the pricing and you will see. But it is the nameshare that nvidia's marketing that makes people think that those prices of GPUs are NORMAL, when it fact, it's all overpriced. After a couple of years, and noone cares, so they sell like cup cakes. So they overprice them once again. Let me tell you what would be a correct price if you really want a GTX 1080Ti - NO MORE than $600. NO more than that. Even that is pushing it. Ask for $500. GTX 480 was a 1st tier, and was a $500.

Some videos and sources I think you might wanna see, this just as a support for my raging over.

 

[kelvinhall05]

I feel like this is gonna spark a flame war  

[3 Lions]

You always get what you pay for when buying an Nvidia GPU. I paid around £400 for my MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X 8G which yes is more expensive than the 970 was at launch but the fact you get Titan XM (Maxwell) performance at this price point is truly amazing. 

[WhiteSkyMage]

1 minute ago, kelvinhall05 said:

I feel like this is gonna spark a flame war  

Mate, i do think so too, but also, I am not a fan boy, but I just do not support their practices. Market is completely unbalanced and people have gotten "used" to buying from 1 vendon over and over again, instead of checking and comparing products.

[DocSwag]

The gtx 480 was not comparable to the titan, but rather to the 780 ti. So yes, it has increased, but not that much (780 ti was $750 I think, 980 ti was $650). 

 

Ah, I remember half a year ago when I was just like you, hating on Nvidia, thinking AMD is only company that cares about the consumer. "Nvidia is trying to hurt the consumer! They're trying to gimp you! AMD is the only one who cares!" I was enlightened. Yes, I still bias towards AMD a little. But I used to be 75% AMD 25% Nvidia. Now I'm more like 55% AMD 45% Nvidia. 

 

Nvidia isn't trying to gimp you. They're just a normal company trying to make profits. So is AMD, they just look more attractive on the surface. 

2 minutes ago, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

You always get what you pay for when buying an Nvidia GPU. I paid around £400 for my MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X 8G which yes is more expensive than the 970 was at launch but the fact you get Titan XM (Maxwell) performance at this price point is truly amazing. 

And you would've paid $350 in 2014 for a gtx 970 that gave you Titan Black performance.

 

I don't see how that's any different on the AMD side. You can get a fury x for ~$350.

 

Please, explain what Nvidia has that's so much better than AMD.

[aries757]

well i didnt know this but i support this actually.just sent back my 1050 for a  ice 7950 for 99 bucks.

[Deli]

Vote with your wallet. If you need 1070 or higher performance, wait for Vega. Then we'll have choices other than Nvidia.

[App4that]

AMD has done the same thing, why they had to drop their prices when the 1050ti launched.

 

So you're kinda being a fanboy.

[3 Lions]

7 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Please, explain what Nvidia has that's so much better than AMD.

Nvidia has much more experience than AMD in this industry. 

[Deli]

2 minutes ago, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

Nvidia has much more experience than AMD in this industry. 

I call this BS.

[WhiteSkyMage]

2 minutes ago, App4that said:

AMD has done the same thing, why they had to drop their prices when the 1050ti launched.

 

So you're kinda being a fanboy.

They did drop prices only to adjust to the market, but, did they ever sell a gaming GPU for $1000+? What happened with the 1st tier GPUs that followed on from GTX 480? Why did people still buy nVidia when AMD had a 5870 performing A LOT better than whatever nVidia had to offer, and yet they made LESS THAN HALF the money for 3 years that nvidia later on made for just 3 months with a GTX 580? I am not blaming nvidia or AMD, i am blaming the people who DO NOT GIVE A DAMN, in other words, the people who refuse to do their research - they just buy because of the advertisement, and that's the only thing that changes their mind. SHEEP minds as we call them.

[3 Lions]

Just now, Deli said:

I call this BS.

Well they do Nvidia only have to focus on developing GPU'S, AMD on the other hand are like spinning plates with two hands (GPU's in one hand and CPU'S in the other) 

[DocSwag]

Just now, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

Nvidia has much more experience than AMD in this industry. 

Who cares. Experience doesn't always mean better.

 

Yahoo's search engine has been around for longer than Google itself. So therefore it has more experience. Does that mean Yahoo is better? NO! Around 5 times more people use Google than Yahoo, and I'm almost certain that you use Google too.

 

Give me something Nvidia has that makes it much more worth it to get one of its cards than an equivalent AMD card (without including performance).

[DocSwag]

Just now, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

Well they do Nvidia only have to focus on developing GPU'S, AMD on the other hand are like spinning plates with two hands (GPU's in one hand and CPU'S in the other) 

Ever heard of RTG?

[79wjd]

1 minute ago, WhiteSkyMage said:

but, did they ever sell a gaming GPU for $1000+? 

No, but they did try to sell a 9590 for $900. 

[WhiteSkyMage]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

No, but they tried to sell a 9590 for $900. 

and that was a DUAL gpu. 

[79wjd]

1 minute ago, WhiteSkyMage said:

and that was a DUAL gpu. 

The 9590 is an overclocked FX8320. (CPU)

[DocSwag]

3 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

No, but they tried to sell a 9590 for $900. 

Not to mention they've never tried to sell a GPU for $1000 because they've been focusing on the small die strategy so they don't compete at the top.

 

The reason Nvidia prices its top so high is because they have no competition from AMD at the top. The last time AMD beat Nvidia in single GPU performance at the top was over 10 years ago! If anything, people should be complaining about AMD not competing at the top for the high Nvidia GPU flagship prices.

 

EDIT: Forgot to mention. All of you out there, you know why the 780 ti was $100 more than the 980 ti? Not because Nvidia decided to up the price on the 780 ti for fun or lower the 980 ti for fun, but because AMD sent out the Fury X so Nvidia preplanned and outcut them.

2 minutes ago, WhiteSkyMage said:

and that was a DUAL gpu. 

Hehe. You're funny. 9590 is a CPU.

[WhiteSkyMage]

1 minute ago, DocSwag said:

Not to mention they've never tried to sell a GPU for $1000 because they've been focusing on the small die strategy so they don't compete at the top.

 

The reason Nvidia prices its top so high is because they have no competition from AMD at the top. The last time AMD beat Nvidia in single GPU performance at the top was over 10 years ago! If anything, people should be complaining about AMD not competing at the top for the high Nvidia GPU flagship prices.

Hehe. You're funny. 9590 is a CPU.

Yeah i guess i messed up on this one, fine, they tried, and intel on the other hand are selling 8/16 CPUs for $999

[Godlygamer23]

4 minutes ago, LinusTechTipsFanFromDarlo said:

Well they do Nvidia only have to focus on developing GPU'S, AMD on the other hand are like spinning plates with two hands (GPU's in one hand and CPU'S in the other) 

NVIDIA markets other products as well.

[3 Lions]

Just now, Godlygamer23 said:

NVIDIA markets other products as well.

Yeah but it's mostly GPU'S I mean they develop their own GPU'S for their other products. 

[DocSwag]

1 minute ago, WhiteSkyMage said:

Yeah i guess i messed up on this one, fine, they tried, and intel on the other hand are selling 8/16 CPUs for $999

Because they have no competition.

 

People always complain about Nvidia and Intel pricing their best stuff so high. And they root for AMD to bring competition. I totally agree about the rooting for AMD to bring competition part. I do not agree with the bash Nvidia and Intel part. The only reason they price so high is because AMD isn't offering them competition up there. I assure you, if the tables were turned and AMD was beating the crap outta Nvidia and Intel in performance at the top, that they too would be pricing their 8 cores at $999 and releasing Fury GPUs at $999.

 

All you guys are doing is rooting for the underdog, which is totally normal, but when you start bashing on the companies at the top for doing what they do that's just being shortsighted. That's how companies operate: You have no competition? Raise the prices so you get more profits!

[App4that]

Just to be clear I do agree the pricing is complete bull shit. Why I haven't purchased a new graphics card, and I could have.

[Godlygamer23]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

Just to be clear I do agree the pricing is complete bull shit. Why I haven't purchased a new graphics card, and I could have.

Hopefully my 970 doesn't die on me because that's honestly all I need right now. 

[Crossbred]

Why do you think that 5820k of yours didn't cost less than 200 usd? Intel has no competition (yet) in that arena. They know people will still buy it (I did) even if they are getting ripped off because there is no other option.

They are all businesses and they're gonna do what gets them money.