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So this is it then. I wonder what the male connector will look like. Hope it's not as clunky as 3.0. Also, the contacts look kind of small for 100W power delivery. Maybe there's an additional sata power for that?

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Finally, no more of USB 3.0's bent header pins (they bend far easier than USB 1.1-2.0 pins).


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54 minutes ago, Naeaes said:

So this is it then. I wonder what the male connector will look like. Hope it's not as clunky as 3.0. Also, the contacts look kind of small for 100W power delivery. Maybe there's an additional sata power for that?

Keep in mind how small the contacts in a USB-C cable are. I don't imagine it would cause much of a problem.

 

Also keep in mind that the port will only supply 15W(5V/3A) unless the motherboard developer uses a Power Delivery chip, or the case developer puts one on the front panel (and accepts power seperately).

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I dislike how MSI calls USB 3.0 "USB 3.1 Gen1" and USB 3.1 "USB 3.1 Gen2" 

That is some confusing marketing and misleads customers expecting an upgrade from USB 3.0


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7 minutes ago, rattacko123 said:

I dislike how MSI calls USB 3.0 "USB 3.1 Gen1" and USB 3.1 "USB 3.1 Gen2" 

That is some confusing marketing and misleads customers expecting an upgrade from USB 3.0

The connector itself is an upgrade. My Z97 Sabertooth has pins bent beyond recovery in both USB 3.0 headers. Fortunately they still seem to work as they should.


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9 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

The connector itself is an upgrade.

They should just update the pcie power standard instead, those 24-pin connectors take up a lot of space


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2 minutes ago, rattacko123 said:

They should just update the pcie power standard instead, those 24-pin connectors take up a lot of space

When you consider the amount of power that goes through it, what could possibly replace it while being safe?


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1 minute ago, Dabombinable said:

When you consider the amount of power that goes through it, what could possibly replace it while being safe?

considering a usb-c cable can do 85W and a standard power cable (that plugs into the power supply) is capable of 2000W+, I think that if they just make the wires thinner or have less of them they could probably replace it quite easily.


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1 minute ago, rattacko123 said:

considering a usb-c cable can do 85W and a standard power cable (that plugs into the power supply) is capable of 2000W+, I think that if they just make the wires thinner or have less of them they could probably replace it quite easily.

Note that I said safely. Thinner wires = a potential fire hazard (and thinner wires do get used, but only by PSU that put your rig at risk).


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1 hour ago, rattacko123 said:

I dislike how MSI calls USB 3.0 "USB 3.1 Gen1" and USB 3.1 "USB 3.1 Gen2" 

That is some confusing marketing and misleads customers expecting an upgrade from USB 3.0

 

That's not MSI marketing terms, that's the USB standard. And USB 3.1gen1 has a bunch of new things over 3.0, just not user facing things.

 

The new CommunicationControl wire(s), support for Power Delivery 2.0, USB alternate modes (for USB-C), and basically all the things that make USB-C of benefit over USB-A/B are not available on 2.0/3.0 connections other than the smaller reversible plug. They *require* a 3.1 connection.

 

Likewise since USB 3.1gen2 is literally just a speed bump over 3.1gen1 it didn't make sense to the committee to release a 3.2 at the same time as they were releasing a 3.1.

 

Keep in mind, the USB specs are initially designed -and named- by engineers for engineers, and then those standards just get turned into a marketing system for consumers.

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1 hour ago, Sniperfox47 said:

The new CommunicationControl wire(s), support for Power Delivery 2.0, USB alternate modes (for USB-C), and basically all the things that make USB-C of benefit over USB-A/B are not available on 2.0/3.0 connections other than the smaller reversible plug. They *require* a 3.1 connection.

so basically usb 3.1 gen1 is just usb 3.0 with those additional power things (at least for type-c), what about those "usb 3.0" type-c connectors that support those features? 
And why do they call type-A ports usb 3.0 gen1 though when they are clearly 3.0?

1 hour ago, Sniperfox47 said:

Likewise since USB 3.1gen2 is literally just a speed bump over 3.1gen1 it didn't make sense to the committee to release a 3.2 at the same time as they were releasing a 3.1.

I have never heard anyone else mention USB 3.1 gen 1 or gen 2 besides MSI, just 5 gigabit being 3.0 and 10 gigabit being 3.1, any official links you can send me because I don't believe you. 


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50 minutes ago, rattacko123 said:

I have never heard anyone else mention USB 3.1 gen 1 or gen 2 besides MSI, just 5 gigabit being 3.0 and 10 gigabit being 3.1, any official links you can send me because I don't believe you. 

You haven't been listening then.

 

http://www.usb.org/developers/ssusb/USB_3_1_Language_Product_and_Packaging_Guidelines_FINAL.pdf

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35 minutes ago, rattacko123 said:

so basically usb 3.1 gen1 is just usb 3.0 with those additional power things (at least for type-c), what about those "usb 3.0" type-c connectors that support those features? 
And why do they call type-A ports usb 3.0 gen1 though when they are clearly 3.0?

I have never heard anyone else mention USB 3.1 gen 1 or gen 2 besides MSI, just 5 gigabit being 3.0 and 10 gigabit being 3.1, any official links you can send me because I don't believe you. 

1) If they support those things they are USB 3.1 devices. There are three possibilities of what's up. Either the people who developed them just don't know what they're talking about or they're intentionally mislabeling them that way to avoid confusion.

 

2) Sure! Here's the actual USB 3.1 spec for you to read: http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/

 

Also just for context, early on in the z170 launch Asus, ASRock and Gigabyte were using the USB 3.1 for their USB-C ports, but after a lot of backlash and some complaints of confusion they pulled the USB 3.1 marketing, and started only using it for devices with 3.1gen2 controllers (ASMedia and Intel Thunderbolt). MSI is about the only one who kept with the Gen1/Gen2 marketing which is actually more accurate.

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1 minute ago, Sakkura said:

oh, didn't know it was official, thanks for the info!
It says that USB 3.1 gen 1 and usb 3.0 are synonymous, so they are basically the same thing. 
Still confusing for customers and I don't approve of MSI using this even though it is official.

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27 minutes ago, rattacko123 said:

usb 3.1 gen 1.PNG

That's a fairly recent change. For the longest time the USB Implementer's Forum (USB-IF) was against their use as synonyms.

 

Also they're now marketing synonyms. That's different from being the same thing.

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4 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

Does not meet Tech News posting guideline, and therefore the thread was moved out:

 

well, there is not much I can do with 1 tweet 9_9


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10 hours ago, Vanderburg said:

Doesn't all front panel i/o on motherboards require compatible cases?

true, but I was hoping they would come up with something like this instead of a new connector


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2 minutes ago, xGGAx said:

true, but I was hoping they would come up with something like this instead of a new connector

There's nothing saying case makers can't do something like that. The whole thing with this though is that it lets you have the controller chip on the motherboard side and just connect to the case port with a passive cable and no electronics.

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1 hour ago, xGGAx said:

well, there is not much I can do with 1 tweet 9_9

I agree, but I don't think we want to turn the Tech News section into a Tweeter feed thing.

Under such situation, what I think would be acceptable, is if you provide some context. Like for example, talk about the motherboard, what is some of its unique features (if any), what is the target market, what this 2017 model brings new (new Kaby Lake support for example, or will it still be for Sandy Bridge), and present what is

 

I honestly have no idea on this motherboard model brings, but you can an example:

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MSI announces a new feature for its refresh 2017 GAMING series motherboard. It will feature USB Type-C connector. That said, you need a computer case with the connector at the front to enjoy it, as it is a connector on the motherboard itself, and not a rear IO. This is great, assuming you can find a case with it, allowing you direct access to charge or connect your fancy new phone and maybe tablet if it feature this input.

 

<Tweet>

 

This motherboard is catered to gamers who seek to do mass overclocking to push their CPU and GPUs to the max. Its official set of features aren't known, but based on the previous model, it features 20x USB 3.1 ports, 1x PS/2 connector, 2x M.2 SSD connector with SLI and Crossfire support on the SSD itself working together, even though there is 0 relation with GPUs, or RAID, because MSI are mad scientists. A big red button that you can put on your desk, when when pressed not only it will overclock your CPU and GPU to insane speeds, but thanks to it's built-in lasers on the motherboard itself, and 50 RGB LEDs, it will turn your room into the best a disco rave experience ever created. Output also bacon or chicken or veggie burgers to perfection depending on your preferences. The CPU socket support anything from Pentium 4 days to Kaby Lake, including Socket 939 AMD Athlon 64 to Zen CPU thanks to the custom universal motherboard chipset, and universal CPU socket.

 

Release date is unknown.

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I don't know, something along those lines.. :)

 

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19 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

~snip~

Except I don't think that the post was about the motherboard at all, but rather about there being an announced product where consumers can finally see what the new USB3.1gen2 header will look like.

 

I do agree this isn't really news since the header has been detailed before, but I just wanted to point out that he's not really commenting on the motherboard itself.

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