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[Edwardk326]

hi guys sorry to bother you but I have a problem I transferred a movie from my mac to my custom (6 core skylake 32gb ram gtx980) pc, yay didn't take that long (took about an hour). My friend then told me to change the format to mp4 before sharing it on bittorrent. here is the problem I have been changing the format of the movie to mp4 for the past 4 hours adobe media encoder is so damn slow it's almost as if it's frozen or something like that.

 

  

[Electronics Wizardy]

What is the cpu usage like? What are the settings like in AME?

[oskarha]

What is the original file type?

If its anything using the h264 codec (eg. mov or .mkv) you can rename the file to .mp4 and you will be fine

[AshleyAshes]

2 minutes ago, oskarha said:

What is the original file type?

If its anything using the h264 codec (eg. mov or .mkv) you can rename the file to .mp4 and you will be fine

This is not how container formats work.  This is not how they work at all.

[oskarha]

Just now, AshleyAshes said:

This is not how container formats work.  This is not how they work at all.

If its the same codec this trick will work.

Otherwise ofcourse not

I know because I did this only a few days ago.

[AshleyAshes]

7 minutes ago, oskarha said:

If its the same codec this trick will work.

Otherwise ofcourse not

I know because I did this only a few days ago.

No, something else happened and you just don't understand why.

 

Windows is stupid, Windows determines what application to run a file from purely by it's extension even if that extension is wrong.  If you take file.jpg and rename it to file.exe, Windows will think that's a Windows executable and try to execute it... Unsuccessfully.  Media players on the other hand can handle multiple file types and Windows will go 'Okay, I have file.mkv, I will open it with Media Player Classic Home Cinema', but MPC-HC or VLC, or what ever you are using, if it supports multiple container formats, will NOT be stupid and it will read the actual header to the file to determine what the file contains.  Since these players often support multiple container formats such as MKV and MP4, then if you feed it an MKV named file.mp4, it reads the file's header and goes 'Okay, it's an MKV, I'll use the MKV container config to play this back.

 

This has in no way converted an MKV to an MP4 or into an MOV.  They are distinctly different container formats and renaming them will absolutely not enable a file to work in a piece of software or hardware that does not support that container.  If you have some USB key reading DVD player or something that supports MP4 but not MKV and you just rename file.mkv to file.mp4 the only thing that device is going to do is say 'Hey, File.mp4 appears to be corrupted or unplayable.  Give me something that's not broken.'

 

So I understand why you think you discovered a 'neat trick' and it's just important for you to understand that you are wrong and are spreading false technical information.

[oskarha]

2 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

No, something else happened and you just don't understand why.

 

Windows is stupid, Windows determines what application to run a file from purely by it's extension even if that extension is wrong.  If you take file.jpg and rename it to file.exe, Windows will think that's a Windows executable and try to execute it... Unsuccessfully.  Media players on the other hand can handle multiple file types and Windows will go 'Okay, I have file.mkv, I will open it with Media Player Classic Home Cinema, but MPC-HC or VLC, or what ever you are using, if it supports multiple container formats, will NOT be stupid and it will read the actual header to the file to determine what the file contains.  Since these players often support multiple container formats such as MKV and MP4, then if you feed it an MKV named file.mp4, it reads the file's header and goes 'Okay, it's an MKV, I'll use the MKV container config to play this back.

 

This has in no way converted an MKV to an MP4 or into an MOV.  They are distinctly different container formats and renaming them will absolutely not enable a file to work in a piece of software or hardware that does not support that container.  If you have some USB key reading DVD player or something that supports MP4 but not MKV and you just rename file.mkv to file.mp4 the only thing that device is going to do is say 'Hey, File.mp4 appears to be corrupted or unplayable.  Give me something that's not broken.'

 

So I understand why you think you discovered a 'neat trick' and it's just important for you to understand that you are wrong and are spreading false technical information.

Thank you very much for your clarification.

I had no idea that this was how it worked, but now I know 

[NeoFrux]

... Anyway, the solution to OP's request is to not use Adobe Media Encoder and instead use ffmpeg as described here. Not as elegant to use, but a far more elegant solution than re-encoding (and losing quality). It'll simply swap the container and leave the audio/video/subtitle data intact.

[oskarha]

1 minute ago, Runefox said:

... Anyway, the solution to OP's request is to not use Adobe Media Encoder and instead use ffmpeg as described here. Not as elegant to use, but a far more elegant solution than re-encoding (and losing quality). It'll simply swap the container and leave the audio/video/subtitle data intact.

Or handbrake if ffmpeg is to complicated 

[AshleyAshes]

Just now, oskarha said:

Thank you very much for your clarification.

I had no idea that this was how it worked, but now I know 

You aren't wrong that you can put h.264 (Or any number of video, audio, subtitle, and metadata types' into different containers but container formats are different.  A container is basically just a 'box' to put stuff in and different 'boxes' have different features.  Some support different audio or video types but many support similar ones.  Some support ways to have different 'angles' or how chapters are laid out.  MKV can embed entire true type fonts so an MKV file's subtitles can use fonts that the system itself doesn't have installed.  This is not something you can do with an MP4 for example.  While they can store multiple and often the same kinds of content within the container they are designed and arranged differently by their creators so support must be implemented for each.

 

The real thing is that most people assume that a file extension absolutely tells you what's in a file.  But for video, an MOV could contain H.264 video and AAC audio or it could contain Avid DNxHD and LPCM audio.  An MKV could be MPEG2 (Not that that happens much) with Dolby Digital AC3 and subtitles in every Chinese dialect with multiple fonts.

[Edwardk326]

21 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

What is the cpu usage like? What are the settings like in AME?

damn you were right ok here is the thing cpu usage for adobe media encoder is at almost zero percent

here is a photo

 

 

 

[NeoFrux]

2 minutes ago, oskarha said:

Or handbrake if ffmpeg is to complicated 

Handbrake will work, but will re-encode the file, which is time-consuming and reduces quality. There are frontends for ffmpeg out there, but it's easier to just grab it and run the command than it is to track down a decent one.

[AshleyAshes]

3 minutes ago, Runefox said:

... Anyway, the solution to OP's request is to not use Adobe Media Encoder and instead use ffmpeg as described here. Not as elegant to use, but a far more elegant solution than re-encoding (and losing quality). It'll simply swap the container and leave the audio/video/subtitle data intact.

 

2 minutes ago, oskarha said:

Or handbrake

A lossy recompression would be destructive since it's already rendered out in a lossy format.  You'd just lose more information.

 

Remultiplexing into a different container format like Runefox said would be lossless.  That said, the tools for remultiplexing can be a bit tricky to understand.  Just sucking it up and re-rendering out of Adobe Premiere is, while the most time consuming, also the most idiot proof way to do it successfully.

[oskarha]

2 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

 

A lossy recompression would be destructive since it's already rendered out in a lossy format.  You'd just lose more information.

 

Remultiplexing into a different container format like Runefox said would be lossless.  That said, the tools for remultiplexing can be a bit tricky to understand.  Just sucking it up and re-rendering out of Adobe Premiere is, while the most time consuming, also the most idiot proof way to do it successfully.

OP is using AME to recompress the video (the source is not a project its a .m4v video file).

In my experience handbrake is alot more stable that AME.

[AshleyAshes]

2 minutes ago, Edwardk326 said:

damn you were right ok here is the thing cpu usage for adobe media encoder is at almost zero percent

here is a photo

 

 

 

Wait... Are you just using Adobe Media Encoder to transcode a whole pirated movie...?

 

...Use Handbrake.

 

Also I am outta did thread before the mods turn up.

[Edwardk326]

22 minutes ago, oskarha said:

What is the original file type?

If its anything using the h264 codec (eg. mov or .mkv) you can rename the file to .mp4 and you will be fine

yeah sorry I took so long to reply

the original format of the movie was m4v I want to change it to mp4

[oskarha]

1 minute ago, AshleyAshes said:

Wait... Are you just using Adobe Media Encoder to transcode a whole pirated movie...?

 

...Use Handbrake.

 

Also I am outta did thread before the mods turn up.

Wow ok bye

[AshleyAshes]

1 minute ago, oskarha said:

OP is using AME to recompress the video (the source is not a project its a .m4v video file).

In my experience handbrake is alot more stable that AME.

Since we're talking Adobe, I had assumed we were baking out a Premiere project or something.  Not just using AME as a transoder for pirated material.  Yeah, AME is a terrible choice for such a task.

[Edwardk326]

3 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

Wait... Are you just using Adobe Media Encoder to transcode a whole pirated movie...?

 

...Use Handbrake.

 

Also I am outta did thread before the mods turn up.

handbrake interesting I'll give it a look

I hope I will able to sharing (or otherwise known as seeding) a movie with decent quality I don't want people to swear at me for a movie with poor quality 

thanks man and also thanks to everyone I really appreciate the help

[Edwardk326]

8 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

Since we're talking Adobe, I had assumed we were baking out a Premiere project or something.  Not just using AME as a transoder for pirated material.  Yeah, AME is a terrible choice for such a task.

oh no the movie is not pirated in any way I pay for all the movies. but my friend said I should share it on bittorrent he told me just change the format to mp4 instead of m4v sorry for the confusion I caused   

[Edwardk326]

On 12/9/2016 at 9:33 PM, AshleyAshes said:

Since we're talking Adobe, I had assumed we were baking out a Premiere project or something.  Not just using AME as a transoder for pirated material.  Yeah, AME is a terrible choice for such a task.

I agree after for 4 hours it just crashed on me. I'm like what the hell? I'm gonna take a break spend some time with my family then I'll give it a try again.

 

I still don't know why my friend is asking me to change it from m4v to mp4. I think it will be just fine as m4v if I share it on bittorrent  

 

[pyrojoe34]

9 minutes ago, Edwardk326 said:

oh no the movie is not pirated in any way I pay for all the movies. but my friend said I should share it on bittorrent he told me just change the format to mp4 instead of m4v sorry for the confusion I caused   

You may have paid for your copy but by uploading it to bit torrent you are illegally distributing the movie. That's piracy.

[Edwardk326]

26 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

You aren't wrong that you can put h.264 (Or any number of video, audio, subtitle, and metadata types' into different containers but container formats are different.  A container is basically just a 'box' to put stuff in and different 'boxes' have different features.  Some support different audio or video types but many support similar ones.  Some support ways to have different 'angles' or how chapters are laid out.  MKV can embed entire true type fonts so an MKV file's subtitles can use fonts that the system itself doesn't have installed.  This is not something you can do with an MP4 for example.  While they can store multiple and often the same kinds of content within the container they are designed and arranged differently by their creators so support must be implemented for each.

 

The real thing is that most people assume that a file extension absolutely tells you what's in a file.  But for video, an MOV could contain H.264 video and AAC audio or it could contain Avid DNxHD and LPCM audio.  An MKV could be MPEG2 (Not that that happens much) with Dolby Digital AC3 and subtitles in every Chinese dialect with multiple fonts.

what you said is very interesting I will try changing the format to mkv using handbrake

I thin it will work because my understanding is that mp4 is a very old format

thank you very much

[Edwardk326]

1 minute ago, pyrojoe34 said:

You may have paid for your copy but by uploading it to bit torrent you are illegally distributing the movie. That's piracy.

nothing serious will happen right? I mean it's just sharing resources on the internet.

[Edwardk326]

thanks girls and guys for all the help you are amazing this community is amazing I'm never leaving linustechtips forums and also I hope you never leave linustechtips forums

god bless you all also I can't wait for Christmas