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rumor has it id just removed Denuvo DRM from Doom (2016)

zMeul
11 minutes ago, zMeul said:

why do you think people take to G2A, Kinguin for reduced price keys? because of the $ problem

It's not a money problem. There's way more factors for gamers turning to piracy, but I think money is a minute issue. The main issue is many people cannot justify spending full price for a game anymore since a lot of games that release are often unfinished and don't get good treatment on PC, or there's other issues that happen like not being able to even purchase the game in the first place due to regional locks.

 

I'm willing to put money on money itself not being the source problem.

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1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

Why? I bought a key to the games in a Humble Bundle, where the developer puts his digital keys into the pot, and I already had the game. Should I let it collect dust? No! I can gift it to someone or sell the key for some money back. I actually paid for their key and sold it to someone else.

that's not what I'm talking about

most of the keys on these sites are stolen - and you know it! there have been numerous incidents where developers / publishers have banned hundreds / thousands of stolen keys

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2 minutes ago, zMeul said:

piracy is not theft

Pirating a copy of a game is distribution of material hence illegal in the USA and other jurisdictions.

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distribution of a game is a copy of a copy

Hence piracy. Distribution applies to both the sender (host) and recipient (seed).

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26 minutes ago, TheMidnightNarwhal said:

 

Why tho I don't seem to understand. Is it just that peoeple boycott and doesn't buy the game as a whole?

No they found with the witcher you can play it on as many computers as you want so instead of the game being pirated people actually bought it. The consumer was happier and that in the end made them purchase it. There are a lot more details but that is the main idea.

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1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

Pirating a copy of a game is distribution of material hence illegal in the USA and other jurisdictions.

Hence piracy. Distribution applies to both the sender (host) and recipient (seed).

being the word of law doesn't mean I can't debate it -_-

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4 minutes ago, zMeul said:

I suggest you get out of your bubble and discover The World

With normal people I mean people who work to have fun. you can disagree but the point remains that it's theft if I film a theatre how and post it online it's theft sow why shuld sharing games online not be.

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There are three main reasons why people pirate games:

  • They want to "demo" the game before they buy it.
  • The game isn't available in their territory.
  • The game costs too much.

The last point has two subcamps of course, those who want to buy it, just not at the full price, and those who refuse to spend money on it. The former just needs to be beaten over the head and learn patience for a sale or admit they're part of the latter camp. The latter camp you can't ever convince to not pirate the game.

 

Sales for are at their highest in the first few weeks from launch. I'm fine with the middle ground of DRM being present for a limited time.

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22 minutes ago, bgibbz said:

That is very flawed logic. If you dont want to pay for the game, dont get it! I for one know many people who would have bought a particular game, but instead chose to pirate. If you wanted a coke, you wouldnt just walk in to a store and steal it. You would either buy it or live with not having it. Piracy is no different from theft. 

I would never steal a coke from a store, but If I could clone a coke by just downloading it's build file from the internet, I'd do it in a heartbeat every time I want a coke

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Zmeul is correct. People who pirate would not buy it otherwise, unless they wanted to demo the game. 

DRM just provides a frustrating experience for legitimate buyers. 

 

And for games with always on drm some people need cracked versions. 

 

It won't hurt sales to remove it.  

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6 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

I would never steal a coke from a store, but If I could clone a coke by just downloading it's build file from the internet, I'd do it in a heartbeat every time I want a coke

Although I don't disagree, I think a good analogy for piracy is receiving a service without paying for it. While no physical object was stolen, theft still occurred. Not perfect but I think it works better than comparing to physical theft.

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43 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Yeah! Learn from CdProjektRed. It actually is better for you in the long run to not fight pirating tooth and nail

Mainly because it's a fight that you will always lose.

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4 minutes ago, goodtofufriday said:

Zmeul is correct. People who pirate would not buy it otherwise, unless they wanted to demo the game. 

DRM just provides a frustrating experience for legitimate buyers. 

 

And for games with always on drm some people need cracked versions. 

 

It won't hurt sales to remove it.  

It has never been proven that it does not hurt sales and it's never proven that it did but in either case it's wrong and needs to be stopped DRM mightn not be an ideal solution and is easy to crack but it is a necessary evil.

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1 minute ago, Mark17 said:

It has never been proven that it does not hurt sales and it's never proven that it did but in either case it's wrong and needs to be stopped DRM mightn not be an ideal solution and is easy to crack but it is a necessary evil.

A necessary evil that only hurts the legit buyers while pirates still get the better experience. A-freaking-mazing!

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1 minute ago, Mark17 said:

It has never been proven that it does not hurt sales and it's never proven that it did but in either case it's wrong and needs to be stopped DRM mightn not be an ideal solution and is easy to crack but it is a necessary evil.

actually it was

dude got a bunch or Raspberry Pi machines in a art gallery and set them to download and delete a song - they did this millions of times

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Just now, suicidalfranco said:

A necessary evil that only hurts the legit buyers while pirates still get the better experience. A-freaking-mazing!

Yes the evil needs to be improved I don't question that.

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1 minute ago, zMeul said:

actually it was

dude got a bunch or Raspberry Pi machines in a art gallery and set them to download and delete a song - they did this millions of times

And what did this prove that machines can download songs?

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1 minute ago, Mark17 said:

Yes the evil needs to be improved I don't question that.

Improve it as much as you want, pirates will still get the better experience cause it will come without the bloat of bs

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1 minute ago, Mark17 said:

And what did this prove that machines can download songs?

That copy pasting over a network a song millions of time does not equate to millions of dollars in loss

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4 minutes ago, zMeul said:

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3 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

That copy pasting over a network a song millions of time does not equate to millions of dollars in loss

No but that's not the issue we are talking about we talk about  the chance of people buying digital items. with piracy this chance decreases no matter how you look at it.

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2 minutes ago, Mark17 said:

 

No but that's not the issue we are talking about we talk about  the chance of people buying digital items. with piracy this chance decreases no matter how you look at it.

And as cdprojektred as proved to everyone: it does not

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3 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

And as cdprojektred as proved to everyone: it does not

How do you know maybe they would have doubled the sales if there was no way to pirate it?

 

(By no way any bs to cdprojektred they make amazing games) 

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6 minutes ago, Mark17 said:

How do you know maybe they would have doubled the sales if there was no way to pirate it?

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2011 - The Witcher 2 released on Windows

2012 - TW2 released on X360 and OSX

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I once pirated a game and I would otherwise have purchased it. This alone is proof that piracy does hurt sales. 

 

Having said that, since steam/Netflix provided a good service and more reasonably priced games, I no longer pirate. 

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49 minutes ago, zMeul said:

other than words? no there isn't

google it. plenty of information out there. It is against forum rules to post lmgtfy links

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