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Posted · Original PosterOP

So, it is well known that this new gen of MacBook "Pros" are getting of to a rough start.

I found this video yesterday, the touchbar just stop working, the same for the keyboard on the log in screen and the touch bar pops up on the screen.

I have time stamped the videos

The temps went up to 103c when using adobe premiere to export a 30 min 4k benchmark

I don't know if the temps were a wrong reading, but holy shit 103c.

 

IMO, they made this gen worse than a Acer laptop, and that is hard. It is so buggy, it is not even funny and it gets super hot.. You expect a 1700$ (or more) laptop to just work and not have any big problems, especially when it has that Apple logo on it, but this is not the case. Many none techy people always say that Apple products "just work", but this is not the case anymore.


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Lol, clearly more Apple haters trying to throw more shit at apple, amazing how a corporation gets all this hate just for trying to be courageous and delivering great product. These people are just as bad as those complaining about the 3 hour battery life and bootcamp blowing the speakers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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my early 2013 macbook pro retina goes to 105c on windows (checked on msi afterburner) it throttles like crazy, but at least the GPU stays below 90c. So 103c on the 2016 model isn't that surprising really especially considering it is thinner


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On 12/6/2016 at 3:05 AM, suicidalfranco said:

Lol, clearly more Apple haters trying to throw more shit at apple, amazing how a corporation gets all this hate just for trying to be courageous and delivering great product. These people are just as bad as those complaining about the 3 hour battery life and bootcamp blowing the speakers.

Dude if you don't know that guy, then I can tell you that he loves Apple, his main PC was a mac pro for a while and he has a hackintosh now.

Nothing about this product makes it great.

On 12/6/2016 at 3:20 AM, rattacko123 said:

my early 2013 macbook pro retina goes to 105c on windows (checked on msi afterburner) it throttles like crazy, but at least the GPU stays below 90c. So 103c on the 2016 model isn't that surprising really especially considering it is thinner

true, it is just very important that people know that macbooks are cooled very badly


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1 hour ago, rattacko123 said:

my early 2013 macbook pro retina goes to 105c on windows (checked on msi afterburner) it throttles like crazy, but at least the GPU stays below 90c. So 103c on the 2016 model isn't that surprising really especially considering it is thinner

you should use lubbosfancontrol when using windows on a mac, Apple fan curve is just bad in general and always has been. Fuck i even use my own fan curve on OSX with fan control cause frankly i have the feeling that Apple lives in a universe where temps don't matter and the laws of thermodynamics in electronics don't apply to them 


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12 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

you should use lubbosfancontrol when using windows on a mac, Apple fan curve is just bad in general and always has been. Fuck i even use my own fan curve on OSX with fan control cause frankly i have the feeling that Apple lives in a universe where temps don't matter and the laws of thermodynamics in electronics don't apply to them 

still goes over 100C with the fan control


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Apple knows how to make proper consumer-grade laptops (they don't know how to make pro laptops though). I guess this mostly software power efficiency related, but getting a mac makes perfect sense if you want a portable/powerful laptop that can do anything you want it to with great battery life.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, rattacko123 said:

still goes over 100C with the fan control

weird, i manage to keep it at 80C while playing with fans at 6000rpm and and 50C when doing basic stuff with fans at 4000rpm.

Meanwhile on OSX i keep it at 30-40C by just leaving the fans at 3500-4000rpm 


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5 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

weird, i manage to keep it at 80C while playing with fans at 6000rpm and and 50C when doing basic stuff with fans at 4000rpm.

Meanwhile on OSX i keep it at 30-40C by just leaving the fans at 3500-4000rpm 

I suppose windows is just much more demanding in this case, because changing the fan speed doesn't change the temperature much at all but it does reduce throttling a little


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Apple knows how to make proper consumer-grade laptops (they don't know how to make pro laptops though). I guess this mostly software power efficiency related, but getting a mac makes perfect sense if you want a portable/powerful laptop that can do anything you want it to with great battery life.

 

 

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Ouch that's hot, my fingertips would get burnt within seconds.


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26 minutes ago, rattacko123 said:

I suppose windows is just much more demanding in this case, because changing the fan speed doesn't change the temperature much at all but it does reduce throttling a little

Actually the drivers for the Mac under Windows are very bad. When running under Windows, Macs are forced to use the dedicated graphics if they have it.


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While I know that this generation is kinda of a let down, do we need to post literally every issue for that line? It's getting boring already...


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22 minutes ago, Castdeath97 said:

It's getting boring already...

Actually I'm just getting started here :D.

 

All aboard the Apple Hate Train.


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17 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Actually I'm just getting started here :D.

 

All aboard the Apple Hate Train.

Well if you are like me then you don't hate Apple, you just think this gen is pure shit and not even close to being worth the high price tag


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11 hours ago, Castdeath97 said:

While I know that this generation is kinda of a let down, do we need to post literally every issue for that line? It's getting boring already...

Agree. People who never like apple who are the apple haters have one common thing. They have absolutely no interest in OS X. And because they never get used to it/never liked it, so that they think mac OS is just a piece of crap. And if you take out software from the equation, then apple is trash. Literally. Every year pc people have been saying the same thing over and over again. 

  • Apple is overpriced.
  • Their hardware is junk.
  • They prefer form over function. 
  • etc

A real mac user will brush all that off. At this forum sure, pc users are more than mac users. If you go to other forum, you will find that people's opinion might be different. After this year's macbook pro launch, I have seen a large number of people said that they still need/want a macbook pro. And windows is just not an option. Yup. I have seen it on medium, on other forum as well. 


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26 minutes ago, mrchow19910319 said:

Agree. People who never like apple who are the apple haters have one common thing. They have absolutely no interest in OS X. And because they never get used to it/never liked it, so that they think mac OS is just a piece of crap. And if you take out software from the equation, then apple is trash. Literally. Every year pc people have been saying the same thing over and over again. 

  • Apple is overpriced.
  • Their hardware is junk.
  • They prefer form over function. 
  • etc

A real mac user will brush all that off. At this forum sure, pc users are more than mac users. If you go to other forum, you will find that people's opinion might be different. After this year's macbook pro launch, I have seen a large number of people said that they still need/want a macbook pro. And windows is just not an option. Yup. I have seen it on medium, on other forum as well. 

I'm ok with macOS but the software support isn't as good as i'd like.

 

Also, their hardware is overpriced junk and Apple prefers form over function. 


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18 hours ago, Dackzy said:

So, it is well known that this new gen of MacBook "Pros" are getting of to a rough start.

I found this video yesterday, the touchbar just stop working, the same for the keyboard on the log in screen and the touch bar pops up on the screen.

I have time stamped the videos

The temps went up to 103c when using adobe premiere to export a 30 min 4k benchmark

I don't know if the temps were a wrong reading, but holy shit 103c.

 

IMO, they made this gen worse than a Acer laptop, and that is hard. It is so buggy, it is not even funny and it gets super hot.. You expect a 1700$ (or more) laptop to just work and not have any big problems, especially when it has that Apple logo on it, but this is not the case. Many none techy people always say that Apple products "just work", but this is not the case anymore.

apple discord has confirmed so many bugs on ios 10 :/ 

also you need an adapter to plug in an iphone to a macbook. it 'just' works.


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Apple has made so much progress in the last 3 years... the 'temperature' reading is 103 here compared to only 90 for my MacBook Pro late 2013 model.. that must mean it's better, because it's higher, right? Right..? 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, mrchow19910319 said:

Agree. People who never like apple who are the apple haters have one common thing. They have absolutely no interest in OS X. And because they never get used to it/never liked it, so that they think mac OS is just a piece of crap. And if you take out software from the equation, then apple is trash. Literally. Every year pc people have been saying the same thing over and over again. 

  • Apple is overpriced.
  • Their hardware is junk.
  • They prefer form over function. 
  • etc

A real mac user will brush all that off. At this forum sure, pc users are more than mac users. If you go to other forum, you will find that people's opinion might be different. After this year's macbook pro launch, I have seen a large number of people said that they still need/want a macbook pro. And windows is just not an option. Yup. I have seen it on medium, on other forum as well. 

I use OSX every day at school. I find that it has issue and I can't stand the BS of fanboys


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1 minute ago, GDRRiley said:

I use OSX every day at school. I find that it has issue and I can't stand the BS of fanboys

Okay then....


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These Apple complaints are honestly retarded. Sure they may have issues tht are annoying, but that'll eventually be ironed out by software updates. But bitching about every little thing is what makes this by people who haven't even used is what makes this retarded

 

Did they take bold steps, yes and only Apple can do it because frankly, they don't give a shit about sales. If you don't want it don't buy as simple as that but it never gets into the poisonous Apple hate group on this forum. You guys should probably make a club because it's what cool kids do these days

 

Every product that had something different have always had issues, but no one seemed to mind. But when it's Apple its like haters get multiple orgasms. 

 

I know I'm being a bit rude, but that's just fact of the mental capability of haters who are unable to accept that they aren't the only people in the world

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Considering the exhaust vents are just above the touchbar, I bet the heat will also massively shorten the touchbar lifespan or even cause it to fail prematurely.. Welp looks like my current RMBP should have higher and longer resale value if these issues keep happening with the new RMBP. 

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@RedRound2 products can have bugs, the problem is when bugs cause harm to your product or people can't count on it to work.

 

Boot camp drivers blowing out speakers is not an acceptable bug, letting CPU temp get higher then Tjunction is not an acceptable bug, touch bar not working or appearing on the main display is not acceptable, the need to use Apple adapters because 3rd party don't work, Wi-Fi dropping when using one USB-C.

 

Those can be solved? They should have been solved before releasing the product to customers. 

 

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