[Rumor] ZEN to be "soldered"

[Dabombinable]

1 minute ago, Bleedingyamato said:

Don't CPUs get hotter than 60C rather easily though?  Certainly if overclocked I think?

 

So wouldn't using stuff that gets messed up at around 60C or above be a bad idea? 

I think you'd pretty much need to run a decent 240mm AIO if Zen is using liquid metal as the TIM.

[skyler_mertz]

1 hour ago, Coaxialgamer said:

Well thing is,  intel's current 14nm quad cores are 122mm², and about half the die is dedicated to graphics.  

Even with zen's SoC design,  i would still expect an 8 core die to be <200mm²,  which doesn't seem to be the case here. 

It also has the chipset on the die so its going to add more real estate to the chip. It could also have a shit load of transistors. the 8300's had over 3bn transistors while intel hangs around ~1.5bn.

[Drak3]

6 hours ago, Coaxialgamer said:

And it cannot be a 32c chip.  Amd already confirmed that those will be using an MCM, not one monolithic die.

It's too early to say that there won't be a monolithic die with 32c in Zen's lifetime. Even though AMD confirmed that they don't currently have plans to release one, the issue is subject to change. I'll concede that it isn't likely since AMD plans on an MCM 32c.

[Energycore]

What you guys don't know is that AMD is going to call their 16c chip the E7 2830 "I'm never wrong" Edition.

[Coaxialgamer]

5 hours ago, djdwosk97 said:

Isn't the 6900k > 200mm²? 

It is,  but it's a 10 core die with about 50% more cache on-board 

[IAEInferno]

17 hours ago, Dash Lambda said:

Well, at least you're not saying it'll be $1 and twice as fast as Skylake.

I do like the idea of a soldered TIM... Let's see if it turns up true.

 

That's a whole new level of exaggeration, I doubt anything this year or in the next two years would be twice as fast as skylake.

 

I would rather see benchmarks though.

[Space Reptile]

16 hours ago, ivan134 said:

Man, I'm enjoying this roast.

the heat transfer is great tho

[Space Reptile]

16 hours ago, DocSwag said:

Roses are red

Violets are blue

Stop lying to us

We have evidence, unlike you

 

Also note that all the Intel CPUs have three golden dots and one triangle in the corners. This CPU only has a triangle, no dots.

 

I want this in the finest marble w/ gold letters on my wall , now pls

[totjup5]

18 hours ago, Prysin said:

last time i checked. XEONs didnt have AMD stamped onto the IHS.... AMD CPUs often does.

also, you can see that it's not sitting flat on the table, the pcb is elevated because it has pins. disproves that sandy bridge xeon bs yet again.

[patrickjp93]

3 minutes ago, totjup5 said:

also, you can see that it's not sitting flat on the table, the pcb is elevated because it has pins. disproves that sandy bridge xeon bs yet again.

No it doesn't. It's elevated by the capacitors on the bottom. Intel chips do not lay flush with a table either.

[totjup5]

1 minute ago, patrickjp93 said:

No it doesn't. It's elevated by the capacitors on the bottom. Intel chips do not lay flush with a table either.

I'm aware of that, but it is too high off the table for that to be the case, and generally intel cpus will not sit perfectly flat like that whereas a cpu on an array of pins will.

[stealth80]

20 hours ago, DELTAprime said:

I'd rather see benchmarks than a de-lidding, just sayin'.

I'm having you arrested for Avatar plagiarism

[patrickjp93]

2 minutes ago, totjup5 said:

I'm aware of that, but it is too high off the table for that to be the case, and generally intel cpus will not sit perfectly flat like that whereas a cpu on an array of pins will.

No it isn't. It's a light 15* above the horizontal on the right causing a long shadow with a soft white ambient light for the rest of the scene.

 

No, they will lay perfectly flat, just not flush.

[desertcomputer]

Rip another limited temp :c ~60 max temp.

[LAwLz]

Hey guys, that is clearly an Nvidia GTS 585 die. I can tell by the pixels that it is shopped. I don't have any evidence but I think it is up to everyone else to disprove me, because I am never wrong and everything I say should blindly be taken as fact.

 

The light in the photo is, just like my previous statements, coming straight out of my ass.

[MageTank]

19 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

Hey guys, that is clearly an Nvidia GTS 585 die. I can tell by the pixels that it is shopped. I don't have any evidence but I think it is up to everyone else to disprove me, because I am never wrong and everything I say should blindly be taken as fact.

 

The light in the photo is, just like my previous statements, coming straight out of my ass.

You sound like someone that's seen a few shops in your day, I trust you.

 

2 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

No it isn't. It's a light 15* above the horizontal on the right causing a long shadow with a soft white ambient light for the rest of the scene.

 

No, they will lay perfectly flat, just not flush.

You've achieved this level absurdity that even I can no longer tell if you are serious, or are the worlds greatest troll. At this point, it's no longer fun to have fun at your expense, as I am genuinely worried for your well-being. It's not so much that you are blatantly lying to a group of people that know better, but it's more so the fact that you honestly seem to believe in your own lies. I can get you through these tough times buddy, but the first step to recovery, is admitting you have a problem. 

[Vode]

28 minutes ago, MageTank said:

You sound like someone that's seen a few shops in your day, I trust you.

 

You've achieved this level absurdity that even I can no longer tell if you are serious, or are the worlds greatest troll. At this point, it's no longer fun to have fun at your expense, as I am genuinely worried for your well-being. It's not so much that you are blatantly lying to a group of people that know better, but it's more so the fact that you honestly seem to believe in your own lies. I can get you through these tough times buddy, but the first step to recovery, is admitting you have a problem. 

He's trolling. Stop feeding him.

 

Take a look at the actual Intel E7 2830. 

 

[MageTank]

Just now, Vode said:

He's trolling. Stop feeding him.

 

Take a look at the actual Intel E7 2830. 

 

I really want to believe that, but his blind devotion to Intel gives it the possibility that he is being genuine. He's done this before, and has even chewed people out for disagreeing with him. Hopefully I am wrong, and he is just the worlds most elaborate troll. 

[Urishima]

2 minutes ago, MageTank said:

Hopefully I am wrong, and he is just the worlds most elaborate troll. 

Kudos to him if he is, I guess?

[patrickjp93]

4 minutes ago, MageTank said:

I really want to believe that, but his blind devotion to Intel gives it the possibility that he is being genuine. He's done this before, and has even chewed people out for disagreeing with him. Hopefully I am wrong, and he is just the worlds most elaborate troll. 

Elaborate isn't the half of it. Meticulous, intricate, thorough, and more.

[leadeater]

5 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

Elaborate isn't the half of it. Meticulous, intricate, thorough, and more.

I hope this isn't an open admission to trolling, you know the rules about that.

 

This goes for everyone else, get back to a proper reasoned discussion about the original topic.

 

 

[patrickjp93]

17 minutes ago, leadeater said:

I hope this isn't an open admission to trolling, you know the rules about that.

 

This goes for everyone else, get back to a proper reasoned discussion about the original topic.

 

 

Me breaking community rules?! When was the last time that happened? 

 

And seriously, you're playing the standards card on me instead of MageTank or Lawlz who have knowingly been stretching this out for laughs in a manner that's in violation of your harassment standards IN ADDITION to your trolling standards? 

[Dash Lambda]

4 hours ago, IAEInferno said:

That's a whole new level of exaggeration, I doubt anything this year or in the next two years would be twice as fast as Skylake.

... That's the point.

Though I'd imagine the "$1" bit stands out a little more than the "twice as fast as Skylake" bit.

[LAwLz]

10 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

Me breaking community rules?! When was the last time that happened? 

 

And seriously, you're playing the standards card on me instead of MageTank or Lawlz who have knowingly been stretching this out for laughs in a manner that's in violation of your harassment standards IN ADDITION to your trolling standards? 

I don't think my post qualifies as trolling.

Harassment? Maybe (although I'd call it a joke at your expensive). Trolling? No.

I don't admit to breaking the rules though, so it is up to the mods to decide. If a mod thinks that I have stepped over the line then they will take the appropriate measurements.

 

 

On topic:  I don't think this matters much. Even if it is legit, things can change before the final version gets produced. It might just be engineering samples that uses solder. Even if this leak is correct, it still doesn't say anything about how it will perform or overclock.

[IAEInferno]

1 hour ago, Dash Lambda said:

... That's the point.

Though I'd imagine the "$1" bit stands out a little more than the "twice as fast as Skylake" bit.

 

To exaggerate this much to prove a point?

 

Too extreme.