[Rumor] ZEN to be "soldered"

[Vode]

2 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

Westmere, Nehalem, and Sandy Bridge Xeons often came in two dies. You're not nearly as well informed as you believe.

 

A standard 10-core Xeon from Sandy Bridge coming in a 2-die package with 1 core disabled on each.

 

It's not like the die is PGA on top of the package substrate! The die is BGA on the package which is PGA on the socket.

Less talking, more showing picture of the Xeon in question. 

[Notional]

1 hour ago, Dackzy said:

so pleb'ish  

hides my own 4770k

With the screens you have a 290 is fine for a year more. Next year you can go upgrade both your CPU and GPU.

 

Also this looks pretty good, sadly they don't handle heat very well. 60c is not much....

 

Nah 4GB is already problematic. And maxing things out (not even the worst GameWorks crap), yields fps under 30 in some games. So need new GPU. However a curved ultrawide has priority. If only there was a useful monitor on the market.

[Fetzie]

2 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

That pic is clearly a intel pentium d cause during that time, intel don't have a real dual core, so they glue single core pentium 4s together and call it dual core.

The ihs says amd, well intel snatched it from, no time to make their own.

 

 

The IHS says AMD because the x86_64 extension is from AMD

 

/jk

[Dackzy]

18 minutes ago, Notional said:

Nah 4GB is already problematic. And maxing things out (not even the worst GameWorks crap), yields fps under 30 in some games. So need new GPU. However a curved ultrawide has priority. If only there was a useful monitor on the market.

turn down settings... Also what the fuck do you put on to use 4gb of vram at what 900p or what res your screen is.

[Notional]

Just now, Dackzy said:

turn down settings... Also what the fuck do you put on to use 4gb of vram at what 900p or what res your screen is.

1050. Just ultra textures.. Gotta get high quality vag in Watch Dogs 2.

[Dackzy]

Just now, Notional said:

1050. Just ultra textures.. Gotta get high quality vag in Watch Dogs 2.

so you put AA on max

[Curufinwe_wins]

That is an absolutely huge die for 14nm. Also a metric assload of solder.

[Sakkura]

4 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

No one realizes that's a SandyBridge E5 Xeon delidded?

 

3 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

Forgive me, 2830, but GFY. You know I'm right.

The 2830 is an E7, not an E5. But okay, that could just have been another typo. What's really telling, though, is that the 2830 is not even freaking Sandy Bridge at all. It's Westmere.

[Smite]

The 4 Watt settings are to high on your monitor if you turn them down you can clearly see the Intel logo on the exposed CPU.

[Drak3]

1 hour ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

That is an absolutely huge die for 14nm. Also a metric assload of solder.

Perhaps it's the 16c/32t or (maybe) a 32c/64t server chip.

[Drak3]

1 hour ago, Smite said:

The 4 Watt settings are to high on your monitor if you turn them down you can clearly see the Intel logo on the exposed CPU.

You blind? It clearly says "IBM Power8"

[Curufinwe_wins]

9 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Perhaps it's the 16c/32t or (maybe) a 32c/64t server chip.

Yea that would make sense (16C).

[Coaxialgamer]

I would actually think that this is a bristol ridge part.  Die seems far too large otherwise. 

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, Coaxialgamer said:

I would actually think that this is a bristol ridge part.  Die seems far too large otherwise. 

It's likely either BR, a Zen server chip (16c/32t or a potential 32c/64t), or the chip is smaller than the photograph make it seems.

 

 

 

Or maybe AMD is compensating for a lil something something.

[Coaxialgamer]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

It's likely either BR, a Zen server chip (16c/32t or a potential 32c/64t), or the chip is smaller than the photograph make it seems.

 

 

 

Or maybe AMD is compensating for a lil something something.

I really don't know.  Just seems large for a 14nn chip... 

 

I'm even more confused after seeing this http://ocaholic.ch/modules/news/article.php?storyid=15776&lang=english 

 

And it cannot be a 32c chip.  Amd already confirmed that those will be using an MCM, not one monolithic die. 

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, Coaxialgamer said:

I really don't know.  Just seems large for a 14nn chip... 

 

I'm even more confused after seeing this http://ocaholic.ch/modules/news/article.php?storyid=15776&lang=english

It did say it was likely he got a BR chip, which I believe is the last revision of Excavator.

[MageTank]

5 hours ago, XenosTech said:

@MageTank come look at this

Why exactly was I summoned? To confirm the rumors I brought up repeatedly? Or to deal with Patrick? I'm grateful either way. 

 

5 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

Photoshopped you ditz.

 

Are you out of your mind? E5 2840.

 

Every Intel, AMD, and Nvidia silicon die sits on top of the package be it a CPU, GPU, APU, etc.. CPU dies are BGA on top of their package substrates.

Yes, because they took the time to photoshop the AMD stamp on the IHS, the arrow on the PCB, and the shadow showing that the CPU is lifted up (pins vs contacts on the bottom). Clearly this was all a clever ruse by an AMD fan to make AMD look better than the mighty Intel, right? I love you Patrick, but you can't be doing that, come on. 

[Dabombinable]

Would the die actually be large enough to have the IHS soldered on? Because Intel only has the larger die CPU on the X99 socket with soldered on IHS, as the die on their low core count CPU would get damaged.

[Doobeedoo]

Well, no reason to skimp on this. They're even starting from scratch this time and on new platform.

[Mr.Meerkat]

4 hours ago, Coaxialgamer said:

I really don't know.  Just seems large for a 14nn chip... 

How? How else do you think you're gonna crap 8 physical cores?

[Coaxialgamer]

42 minutes ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

How? How else do you think you're gonna crap 8 physical cores?

Well thing is,  intel's current 14nm quad cores are 122mm², and about half the die is dedicated to graphics.  

Even with zen's SoC design,  i would still expect an 8 core die to be <200mm²,  which doesn't seem to be the case here. 

[MageTank]

21 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

Well thing is,  intel's current 14nm quad cores are 122mm², and about half the die is dedicated to graphics.  

Even with zen's SoC design,  i would still expect an 8 core die to be <200mm²,  which doesn't seem to be the case here. 

That's because this isn't an AMD CPU. It's a photoshopped E5 2840 Xeon. I mean E5 2830. Wait, they didn't make E5 2830's, I meant E7 2830. I am an Intel expert with intimate knowledge from being a shareholder. Trust me on this.

[79wjd]

47 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

Well thing is,  intel's current 14nm quad cores are 122mm², and about half the die is dedicated to graphics.  

Even with zen's SoC design,  i would still expect an 8 core die to be <200mm²,  which doesn't seem to be the case here. 

Isn't the 6900k > 200mm²? 

[NumLock21]

Zen Hype!

 

http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/new-horizon

[Bleedingyamato]

12 hours ago, Dash Lambda said:

Well, at least you're not saying it'll be $1 and twice as fast as Skylake.

I do like the idea of a soldered TIM... Let's see if it turns up true.

Don't CPUs get hotter than 60C rather easily though?  Certainly if overclocked I think?

 

So wouldn't using stuff that gets messed up at around 60C or above be a bad idea?