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PG278QR vs PG279Q which one should i get?

MatsNorway
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So the new 278QR now has the same Hz as the 279Q - Im planning on buying at Black friday and im wondering if i should dare the jump to 279Q as it is a IPS..

 

Thing is.. they have the same brightness rating so what is really the thing about the 279?

 

I sold the 278Q (the older model) with profit.. i just had to... as i had no reseipt either. But i was a bit dissapointed with the Brightness on it.. Thats the main reason i look at something else. The screen was perfect otherwise.

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7 minutes ago, MatsNorway said:

So the new 278QR now has the same Hz as the 279Q - Im planning on buying at Black friday and im wondering if i should dare the jump to 279Q as it is a IPS..

 

Thing is.. they have the same brightness rating so what is really the thing about the 279?

 

I sold the 278Q (the older model) with profit.. i just had to... as i had no reseipt either. But i was a bit dissapointed with the Brightness on it.. Thats the main reason i look at something else. The screen was perfect otherwise.

Where does it say it is 165Hz?

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The difference between them is that the 8 is a TN panel, the 9 is an IPS.

 

TN has less input lag (marginally) and is much cheaper, but you have to face very poor viewing angles and the colours are not shown very well - some areas of the screen will have different colours from others.  IPS screens are more expensive and have much better colour representation - the colours will be more uniform across the screen. It will have much better viewing angles and will generally look nicer.

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1 minute ago, SamStrecker said:

Where does it say it is 165Hz?

On the Asus website pages, it confirms both models are 165Hz:

 

https://www.asus.com/UK/Monitors/ROG-SWIFT-PG278QR/

https://www.asus.com/UK/Monitors/ROG-SWIFT-PG279Q/

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No mentioning back glow and dead pixels on the IPS panels? 170$ in difference on them where i live.

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I have had the ips version for almost 12 months and its great. I do notice some ghosting though in league very minor but a 1cm trail behind characters somtimes thefore if i was buying in the future I'd go for the tn panel. My backlight bleed is actualy pretty good hardly notice it so I wouldn't worry about that unless your very picky and always looking at a pitch black screen.

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6 hours ago, RS2007GOD said:

I have had the ips version for almost 12 months and its great. I do notice some ghosting though in league very minor but a 1cm trail behind characters somtimes thefore if i was buying in the future I'd go for the tn panel. My backlight bleed is actualy pretty good hardly notice it so I wouldn't worry about that unless your very picky and always looking at a pitch black screen.

That's weird, what's your overdrive setting?

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6 hours ago, treeroy said:

TN has less input lag (marginally)

Can you give a source?

 

Either way, ROG series has always very low input lag in general. The PG279Q (3.25 ms) has even smaller input lag than the PG278Q (4.00 ms), so I suppose the updated PG278QR version will have even smaller input lag. But by how much over the PG279Q, that's what I'm wondering. Either way, it's going to be very, very negligible. They are all very low input lag to begin with and there's not much else they can do. So I'd guess less than 1 ms difference for sure.

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1 minute ago, tohico said:

Can you give a source?

 

Either way, ROG series has always very low input lag in general. The PG279Q (3.25 ms) has even smaller input lag than the PG278Q (4.00 ms), so I suppose the updated PG278QR version will have even smaller input lag. But by how much over the PG279Q, that's what I'm wondering. Either way, it's going to be very, very negligible. They are all very low input lag to begin with and there's not much else they can do. So I'd guess less than 1 ms difference for sure.

the PG279Q has 4ms lag, the PG278Q has 1ms. Says so on their website.

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9 minutes ago, treeroy said:

the PG279Q has 4ms lag, the PG278Q has 1ms. Says so on their website.

That's response time, not input lag.

 

Plus it's an advertised response time, so don't forget to put your tinfoil hat on while reading those ;)

 

The real G2G average response time (+overshoot) at 144 Hz on PG279Q and PG278Q is like this: 

        OD off          OD medium       OD extreme
PG279Q	10.3 ms (0.0%)	5.2 ms (0.4%)	4.0 ms (40.0%)	
PG278Q	 6.9 ms (0.0%)	2.9 ms (2.4%)	2.4 ms (10.5%)

Source here and here. I'm just showing you what the real numbers and differences actually are... But this is the for the older PG278Q, not PG278QR, therefore this may be slightly different. I'd expect the input lag (not response time) with the PG278QR to be different in a positive way though.

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1 hour ago, tohico said:

That's weird, what's your overdrive setting?

My bad not 1cm more like 1-2mm not cm! Od setting extreme

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2 hours ago, RS2007GOD said:

My bad not 1cm more like 1-2mm not cm! Od setting extreme

I recommend to change the overdrive setting, the extreme setting overshoots like crazy - that's why you see the black ghosts. Going from extreme (gtg 4.0 ms, overshoot 40.0 %) to medium (gtg 5.2 ms, overshoot 0.4 %) will cost you only 1 ms in response time and there will be absolutely no noticeable overshoot ;)

 

It's very common to not go for the highest setting with overdrive, the highest one is often set up to overshoot here and there. It's not meant for the everyday use.

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52 minutes ago, tohico said:

I recommend to change the overdrive setting, the extreme overshoots like crazy - that's why you see the black ghosts. Going from extreme (gtg 4.0 ms, overshoot 40.0 %) to medium (gtg 5.2 ms, overshoot 0.4 %) will cost you only 1 ms in response time and there will be absolutely no noticeable overshoot ;)

 

It's very common to not go for the highest setting with overdrive, the highest one is often set up to overshoot here and there. It's not meant for the everyday use.

Alright can you explain what exactly the if setting is?

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1 hour ago, RS2007GOD said:

Alright can you explain what exactly the if setting is?

Do you mean the overdrive? I'm not sure how exactly it works. But in general, if an adjustment would take too much time, the pixel goes to a different state instead (like black or white) and then switches back to the wanted state. For example, instead of doing grey->greyer, it goes grey->black->greyer in overall faster time. But how it's adjusted, what methods they use to make it usable, etc, I have no idea in this regard.

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4 hours ago, tohico said:

Do you mean the overdrive? I'm not sure how exactly it works. But in general, if an adjustment would take too much time, the pixel goes to a different state instead (like black or white) and then switches back to the wanted state. For example, instead of doing grey->greyer, it goes grey->black->greyer in overall faster time. But how it's adjusted, what methods they use to make it usable, etc, I have no idea in this regard.

Ok I don't actualy see black it's more just a trail of what ever colour it is. Mostly visible trailing behind player health bars with like greeny white. I'll try turning of OD when I'm home. 

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1 hour ago, RS2007GOD said:

Ok I don't actualy see black it's more just a trail of what ever colour it is. Mostly visible trailing behind player health bars with like greeny white. I'll try turning of OD when I'm home. 

There's no need to turn the overdrive completely off, the medium works very well and the pixels are still very fast. It's just that the extreme setting is pushed quite a bit more than it's even usual. It seems they just wanted to hit the 4 ms response time no matter the consequences.

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9 hours ago, tohico said:

That's response time, not input lag.

 

Plus it's an advertised response time, so don't forget to put your tinfoil hat on while reading those ;)

 

The real G2G average response time (+overshoot) at 144 Hz on PG279Q and PG278Q is like this: 


        OD off          OD medium       OD extreme
PG279Q	10.3 ms (0.0%)	5.2 ms (0.4%)	4.0 ms (40.0%)	
PG278Q	 6.9 ms (0.0%)	2.9 ms (2.4%)	2.4 ms (10.5%)

Source here and here. I'm just showing you what the real numbers and differences actually are... But this is the for the older PG278Q, not PG278QR, therefore this may be slightly different. I'd expect the input lag (not response time) with the PG278QR to be different in a positive way though.

oh sorry, I thought response time and input lag were the same thing.

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Edit! YEah! i got it! 4990NOK  and 2000NOK saved! i only invested 800NOK for a new and better screen. + Warranty. :D

 

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can't even find the qr in the US :(

 

What're you're thoughts on Dell's S2716DG? It's going about the same price as the 278Q 

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Most of those with 144Hz TN panel is identical hardware in same packaging it seems. Just make sure you get VESA, lift, tilt, rotate etc. and buy from a decent shop that are not dicks on returns on faulty Hardware. There could be features and some other electronic differences that might be nice but probably not a big deal. I would chase price once i got the spec i need nailed.

 

if you think 1080p looks ok even on 27" i would easily recommend a ultrawide.. so much stuff for the money. One of them is 160Hz VA panel. I think VA is the way to go in the future, supposedly not so bleached in colors as a TN and more darkness and consistency (less back glow etc.) than IPS. VA is the middle ground. with some added benefits.

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On 11/23/2016 at 8:34 AM, MatsNorway said:

So the new 278QR now has the same Hz as the 279Q - Im planning on buying at Black friday and im wondering if i should dare the jump to 279Q as it is a IPS..

 

Thing is.. they have the same brightness rating so what is really the thing about the 279?

 

I sold the 278Q (the older model) with profit.. i just had to... as i had no reseipt either. But i was a bit dissapointed with the Brightness on it.. Thats the main reason i look at something else. The screen was perfect otherwise.

PG279Q looked better overall to me

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I first got newer versions TN 8QR

Cause I have sensitive eyes and TN I felt always better than the VA and softer with nice color

 

ASUS good quality on Monitors with my TN 2012 or 2013 to Oct 2019 I had on my ASUS VG248QE 144 1ms 1080p was was roughly 6 months before GSYNC so I had VSYNC on all games and wanted GSYNC ormaybe still on it if had GSYNC 

 

I never had IPS. So I gave the IPS 4ms PG279Q a shot with PG278QR side by side.

For me Ips has slightly better color representation better brightness contrast. And felt net and movies say crisper and better not buy much

 

Con TN darker at times have have desk with it even height of head to avoid this

Con IPS have to adjust black but had better control of fixing it in NVCP 

 

 

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