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Alienware New 15?

BuckGup
By BuckGup
in Laptops and Pre-Built Systems
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2 minutes ago, Inkz said:

Well I missed the Black Friday deal because my bank was taking too long to process some money for me. But I talked with a person over chat and they said they will also have good cyber monday deals starting tomorrow. I was so close to affording the config I wanted, but tax made the difference. So I: have to wait until tomorrow in hopes of a better deal.

Yeah I don't know why tax is so much. About $78!!! FOR tax. It's a part of life I guess. I am just existed I won't have to carry a desktop to LAN parties anymore!

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29 minutes ago, Inkz said:

Well I missed the Black Friday deal because my bank was taking too long to process some money for me. But I talked with a person over chat and they said they will also have good cyber monday deals starting tomorrow. I was so close to affording the config I wanted, but tax made the difference. So I: have to wait until tomorrow in hopes of a better deal.

There is now 10% code. Still not the same amount of savings but better then nothing.

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27 minutes ago, MiltonFriedman said:

How prevalent is the temperature issue? Vocal minority or major problem?

Looking around at youtubers and such it seems to be a vocal minority or those who are overclocking with the 6820HK. GPU stays under 70C and the CPU is around 68-74C.

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21 minutes ago, MiltonFriedman said:

How prevalent is the temperature issue? Vocal minority or major problem?

I wouldn't get the AW15 today. You CAN repast it, and adjust the screws on the heatsink for better performance, but you will have uneven core temps either way.

It won't make it perform better but it will make the cpu die sooner / perform not as good as it should in a couple of years. I don't think you should "accept" that in a us$2000 + laptop. I would personally wait for them to fix the issue or buy a Clevo P650RP6 if you don't mind the less "premium" feeling, because it's an incredible machine (I would actually get one if they have a warranty in my country,..).

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11 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Looking around at youtubers and such it seems to be a vocal minority or those who are overclocking with the 6820HK. GPU stays under 70C and the CPU is around 68-74C.

Not really. No youtuber actually does legit testing. I wouldn't take temp data from them at all. What they are looking at is the average temp data. 1 core could be 88C while the other is like 68C and the average is like 78C. Unless they pull up HWInfoMonitor + OCCT or Aida64 to show then it's not legit. You need to know the clocks, the test duration and core temps of each core to find out if you have an issue. 

 

Also compounding onto the issue, repasting in some cases does fix the issue simply because the Dell stock paste is garbage.

 

40 minutes ago, MiltonFriedman said:

How prevalent is the temperature issue? Vocal minority or major problem?

Very very common among people who have actually tested it. 

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(Retired) Alienware 15 R3: i7-6820HK, GTX1070, 16gb, 512 SSD + 1tb HDD, 1080p

(Retired) T560: i7-6600U, HD520, 16gb, 512gb SSD, 1620p

(Retired) P650RS: i7-6820HK, 1070, 16gb, 512gb + 1tb HDD, 4k Samsung PLS

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8 minutes ago, Wizard said:

I wouldn't get the AW15 today. You CAN repast it, and adjust the screws on the heatsink for better performance, but you will have uneven core temps either way.

It won't make it perform better but it will make the cpu die sooner / perform not as good as it should in a couple of years. I don't think you should "accept" that in a us$2000 + laptop. I would personally wait for them to fix the issue or buy a Clevo P650RP6 if you don't mind the less "premium" feeling, because it's an incredible machine (I would actually get one if they have a warranty in my country,..).

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I'm actually able to get the AW15R3 with 6700HQ, 1060, 16 GB RAM, 99 WH battery, 1TB+256GB storage, upgraded wifi card, for $1270 because of an amalgam of black Friday deals. The Clevo is about 1500$ after those upgrades and including a Windows license. And the Dell has soooooo much better battery life after the upgrade. 

But the heat problem is occurring on most machines? :'( 

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1 minute ago, MiltonFriedman said:

But the heat problem is occurring on most machines? :'( 

You can fix it yourself. But it's a long fix. If your uncomfortable taking apart the entire laptop and reassembling it again, it's an issue. Would highly not recommend it. Or you can play the Alienware lottery just like playing the Razer Blade lottery. 

 

The underlying cooling system on the Alienware's are actually very good. If you look at people who have fixed the issue and optimized everything, temps are in the high 50s and low 60s with 4.3ghz overclock on the 6820HK. But that's if you're willing to spend hours and hours of testing and hardware fixes.

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(Retired) Zbook 15: i7-6820HQ, M2000M, 32gb, 512gb SSD + 2tb HDD, 4k Dreamcolor

(Retired) Alienware 15 R3: i7-6820HK, GTX1070, 16gb, 512 SSD + 1tb HDD, 1080p

(Retired) T560: i7-6600U, HD520, 16gb, 512gb SSD, 1620p

(Retired) P650RS: i7-6820HK, 1070, 16gb, 512gb + 1tb HDD, 4k Samsung PLS

(Retired) MBP 2012 Retina: i7-3820QM, GT650M, 16gb, 512gb SSD, 1800p

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1 minute ago, Pendragon said:

You can fix it yourself. But it's a long fix. If your uncomfortable taking apart the entire laptop and reassembling it again, it's an issue. Would highly not recommend it. Or you can play the Alienware lottery just like playing the Razer Blade lottery. 

 

The underlying cooling system on the Alienware's are actually very good. If you look at people who have fixed the issue and optimized everything, temps are in the high 50s and low 60s with 4.3ghz overclock on the 6820HK. But that's if you're willing to spend hours and hours of testing and hardware fixes.

 

I'm comfortable doing it on an older or cheaper machine (<300-400odd$ or 2-3 years old) but not on a brand new 1200-1500$ notebook. 

Any recommended alternatives? Budget is 1200-1500 usd with a bit of flexibility, though I'm getting reimbursed 1200$ from my employer (I can redeem this anytime over the next 3 years so no rush on that end) so 1200 is a hard minimum because fuck throwing away money. Given my workload and desire to game but not at 4k, I'm looking for 16GB RAM, 6700HQ, 1060, 1TB storage+ 256GB odd boot SSD. I'd like decentish battery life (2-3 odd hours) in light-productivity use cases (Chrome+Office+relatively light field-specific software), but am willing to compromise on that depending on the rest of the config/price. Without the heating issue, the max battery R3 with relevant upgrades was perfect under the BF deals :'(

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25 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Looking around at youtubers and such it seems to be a vocal minority or those who are overclocking with the 6820HK. GPU stays under 70C and the CPU is around 68-74C.

 

I've seen the same. I'm not going to OC and would be getting the cooler CPU anyway, which I'd hope would work in my favor... Like Pendragon said I'm not sure how much I trust the thermals from those reviews though, especially given that reviewers could have been given cherry-picked samples. 

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9 minutes ago, MiltonFriedman said:

I've seen the same. I'm not going to OC and would be getting the cooler CPU anyway, which I'd hope would work in my favor... Like Pendragon said I'm not sure how much I trust the thermals from those reviews though, especially given that reviewers could have been given cherry-picked samples. 

From people who actually buy the laptop. So horrible quality videos with 5,000 views the thermals are not as bad as people say. Yes the 3 screw design is bad and the thermal paste is somewhat garbage. But repasting it yourself does not void the warranty and even with different core temps as long as it is under 90C you should be fine. I will post when I get mine.

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6 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

different core temps as long as it is under 90C you should be fine. I will post when I get mine.

Oh yea there's those. LOL. My enthusiast orienated thought process forgot about those. yes there's some where even if it's a 20C difference, the max temp is below 80C. But that's very dumb for overclocking. For the 6700HQ i guess it's "fine", you can even undervolt it further. Below 90C isn't good enough. For sustained use I'd say below 85C is the benchmark.

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17 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

From people who actually buy the laptop. So horrible quality videos with 5,000 views the thermals are not as bad as people say. Yes the 3 screw design is bad and the thermal paste is somewhat garbage. But repasting it yourself does not void the warranty and even with different core temps as long as it is under 90C you should be fine. I will post when I get mine.

 
 
 

I'm not willing to repaste a brand new expensive machine myself (I've never built a PC and haven't done much more than replacing the RAM on laptops) for risk of breaking it and the time investment. I'm seriously considering taking the risk of buying the AW anyway given the discount. Hell, even if the problem shortens the life by 10-20%, I'm still 10-20% in the green given the bf special and the resulting price relative to the competition. Hell, I might be able to get a local really great retailer to repaste it for a reasonable fee if that seems promising. 

 

So temp only really becomes an issue after 90odd degrees? Running 80odd isn't that bad? 

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46 minutes ago, MiltonFriedman said:

I'm not willing to repaste a brand new expensive machine myself (I've never built a PC and haven't done much more than replacing the RAM on laptops) for risk of breaking it and the time investment. I'm seriously considering taking the risk of buying the AW anyway given the discount. Hell, even if the problem shortens the life by 10-20%, I'm still 10-20% in the green given the bf special and the resulting price relative to the competition. Hell, I might be able to get a local really great retailer to repaste it for a reasonable fee if that seems promising. 

 

So temp only really becomes an issue after 90odd degrees? Running 80odd isn't that bad? 

Even if it blows you can always return it after 30 days. Or just request a repast from technical support. Considering macbook pro temps and my current laptop which has lasted 8 years when it idles at 88C and 93C on the GPU. A OK. It even hits 107C under load. 80C isn't bad. It is 90C+ that might shorten the life. Not so much the CPU or GPU but the rest of the components. The battery only is rated for a certain operating temperature so prolonged use with excessive temps can degrade it. Then again the way they have it mounted it should be fine. My current laptop hold almost 50% of what it used to thanks to always being overheated. Good ol apple.

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1 hour ago, MiltonFriedman said:

I'm actually able to get the AW15R3 with 6700HQ, 1060, 16 GB RAM, 99 WH battery, 1TB+256GB storage, upgraded wifi card, for $1270 because of an amalgam of black Friday deals. The Clevo is about 1500$ after those upgrades and including a Windows license. And the Dell has soooooo much better battery life after the upgrade. 

But the heat problem is occurring on most machines? :'( 

What amalgam of deals do you have? I am ordering mine tomorrow and would love some help.

 

 

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Just now, Inkz said:

What amalgam of deals do you have? I am ordering mine tomorrow and would love some help.

There's the automatic BF deal. Add Turkey10 as a coupon code for another 10% off. Then use Ebates.com for 12% cash back. I've also got an institutional discount because my employer is Dell affiliated which cuts it even more, but that wouldn't help you per say. 

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6 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

repast from technical support

They do that? You know if they will paste it with a proper thermal paste like IC diamond from the get go for a fee? 

 

Yeah, the more I think about it the less I'm worried. The temp problem will be apparent day one and they have a 30-day return policy. 

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Just now, MiltonFriedman said:

They do that? You know if they will paste it with a proper thermal paste like IC diamond from the get go for a fee? 

 

Yeah, the more I think about it the less I'm worried. The temp problem will be apparent day one and they have a 30-day return policy. 

You just have to prove there is a thermal problem.

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1 minute ago, MiltonFriedman said:

They do that? You know if they will paste it with a proper thermal paste like IC diamond from the get go for a fee? 

 

Yeah, the more I think about it the less I'm worried. The temp problem will be apparent day one and they have a 30-day return policy. 

Also most problems I have read outside of OCing with the 6820HK is having a 1070 in it. 1060 combos seem to be fine

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1 minute ago, SamStrecker said:

Also most problems I have read outside of OCing with the 6820HK is having a 1070 in it. 1060 combos seem to be fine

That'd make sense. More heat in the machine--> more potential for issues even if the problem is on the CPU heatsink side. I'm pretty much getting it in the coolest possible configuration and won't OC. 

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15 minutes ago, MiltonFriedman said:

That'd make sense. More heat in the machine--> more potential for issues even if the problem is on the CPU heatsink side. I'm pretty much getting it in the coolest possible configuration and won't OC. 

Yup. Even with a 6700HQ and a 1060 you can max out every game at 1080p. 

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5 hours ago, MiltonFriedman said:

There's the automatic BF deal. Add Turkey10 as a coupon code for another 10% off. Then use Ebates.com for 12% cash back. I've also got an institutional discount because my employer is Dell affiliated which cuts it even more, but that wouldn't help you per say. 

Also how is Ebates, I never used them before because I felt uncomfortable, but they are legit? Also I can't do employee but I might be able to save a few % with a student discount.

 

 

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IDK first time I'll be trying them. Worst case I don't get the money and I pay 1400odd instead of 1250odd. 

 

The BF deals officially expire tonight and IDK if they'll be anything good tomorrow or for cyber Monday. 

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12 hours ago, MiltonFriedman said:

IDK first time I'll be trying them. Worst case I don't get the money and I pay 1400odd instead of 1250odd. 

 

The BF deals officially expire tonight and IDK if they'll be anything good tomorrow or for cyber Monday. 

Alright the deal is back again for cyber Monday. Save $200

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3 hours ago, SamStrecker said:

Alright the deal is back again for cyber Monday. Save $200


Yup, I just ordered mine. I had a heck of a time trying to get the config I wanted with the deal, because I wanted a non Gsync 6820hk but they only had the non compatible one for some reason. I spent about an hour in a chat with a rep earlier and because trying to order it but they couldn't do it, told me it was an issue with the site. Then they gave me a number to call. I spent a very long time on a phone with a person explaining my situation and although he couldn't give me that specific deal, he helped me get something similar for cheaper.

 

He gave me a military discount for a family member that I didn't know I was close enough to apply, and helped me get every discount possible. He also upgraded the wireless card and gave me a free year of accident warranty as a bonus for the trouble. Compared to the regular non sale speced up model I saved probably over $500. The guy on the phone was very nice and helpful.

 

 

 

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