US voting machines are vulnerable to hackers

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Just now, corrado33 said:

Sure, I suppose that's true, but then my first point above still applies, same as what @ThinkWithPortals said above.

yes but there still are third party voters that can rig it no? thats my point.

[Jovidah]

1 minute ago, SurvivorNVL said:

I'm a Tribalist and a Fascist.  Religions can work together, largely, except for Protestants and Catholics, and Sunnah Islam.  Cultures are unique and separate for a reason.  

If you ever want to educate yourself and get off the primordialism bandwagon... try reading Benedikt Anderson's "Imagined Communities". Or Amartya Sen's "Identity & Violence".

 

Speaking of these monolithic unitary groups is a complete fiction, even if plenty of people share it. Just like neatly differentiated categorized 'cultures' simply aren't.

[TidaLWaveZ]

2 minutes ago, ThinkWithPortals said:

It's ok, Trump voters aren't smart enough to hack a voting machine.

/S JK

Even if this were true, all it would take is money.

[corrado33]

3 minutes ago, TidaLWaveZ said:

I wouldn't be so sure especially when Hillary has proven to be just as dumb if not dumber than Trump.

Would love to see your evidence here.  Because there sure as hell is a lot of evidence to the contrary. 

[christianled59]

1 minute ago, SurvivorNVL said:

Putin has things going in the right direction - they're actually on the track to eliminating their debt, which won't happen for the U.S. on our petrol-dollar inflation scheme for the next two-hundred years.

Putin is overall a strong leader. I love watching his speeches. He has good charisma and common sense. He also makes statements about every day things that end up in the media; it's actually kind of humorous. 

[corrado33]

3 minutes ago, tlink said:

yes but there still are third party voters that can rig it no? thats my point.

That's also fine with me. As terrible as it sounds. I'm not voting FOR one person in this election. I'm voting AGAINST someone. I don't care who wins other than that one person.

 

Any of the other candidates will most likely just hold the status quo. Sit for 4 years in office, and unless they do something spectacular, will get voted out in 4 years for someone more moderate. 

[Jovidah]

4 minutes ago, christianled59 said:

In addition to language, their government isn't "too" authoritarian. I'd be more concerned about integrating my company because of their somewhat poor economy. 

This is the same Russia we're talking about right? 

[christianled59]

1 minute ago, corrado33 said:

Would love to see your evidence here.  Because there sure as hell is a lot of evidence to the contrary. 

No fly zone in syria even though many millitary generals have claimed that doing so would lead to war against syria and russia. Hillary wants this. Trump wants to work with Russia. 

 

Who is more dumb here?

[Jovidah]

3 minutes ago, SurvivorNVL said:

Putin has things going in the right direction - they're actually on the track to eliminating their debt, which won't happen for the U.S. on our petrol-dollar inflation scheme for the next two-hundred years.

Actually... Putin's economic performance hasn't been that stellar. He mostly took advantage of the economic recovery that Yeltsin created. After he came to power pretty much all GDP increase has been simply due to rising oil prices. If you look at actual performance excluding those windfalls it's really not looking all that good. Hence their problems when oil prices started dropping again. Actual non-fossil fuel investments and actual economic growth have been pretty bad.

[christianled59]

4 minutes ago, Jovidah said:

This is the same Russia we're talking about right? 

Of course. And I'm not saying I want to be under an authoritarian government either. What I am saying, is they aren't as bad as the media leads us to believe. I have plenty of russian friends and they're all really comfortable in Russia. Hell, gun control over there isn't a whole lot stricter than in the fucking US. "'Merica!!!" has nearly as strict gun laws as fucking russia. That's saying something, and Hillary wants to impose more control. 

 

 

If the government continues limit our constitutional rights any further, we're looking at a country with less rights than 1940 germany. 

[BiscuitMassacre]

I just know that if Hillary wins by a landslide, I will know that is was rigged. The VAST amount  of people that go to trumps rallies EVERY SINGLE DAY opposed to hillary's is ridiculous. I also believe the HUGE silent majority stands with Trump. Trump just isn't the kind of guy most people like to brag about supporting. And if you think for a second that Trump will start a WW you are an Idiot.

 

Trump=Peace with Russia

Hillary=shames russia constantly, blaming them for her deleting emails. 

 

And if there is a second Civil War, the South (Trump) would win for sure. I don't think Hillary's supporters are one to win a war of any kind. If you think if someone says the "p" word is a sexist being that needs to hung, you aren't going to be the type of MAN that would die in battle for freedom, ANd besides most of hill's supporters are peace loving anyways. 

 

Use paper. Vote Trump. Don't be manipulated by the Media. 

 

Trump=better eco, more jobs, peace with Russia, Stop ISIS, Less debt

Clinton=Worse eco, less working people, more free healthcare to those who won't work, probable war with Russia, more debt by several trillion

 

And what is with this TRUMP is GREEDY? 

What the heck? The poor dude spent ~$200M into his own campaign and he is doing it for the money? Are you serious? 

 

[SurvivorNVL]

Just now, Jovidah said:

If you ever want to educate yourself and get off the primordialism bandwagon... try reading Benedikt Anderson's "Imagined Communities". Or Amartya Sen's "Identity & Violence".

 

Speaking of these monolithic unitary groups is a complete fiction, even if plenty of people share it. Just like neatly differentiated categorized 'cultures' simply aren't.

Human-Bio-Diversity.  The destruction of unique identities and races dilutes the Human race as a whole, given that it is often specific races with higher-inclined minds and performance by genetics, that help uplift the rest of the world.  Cultures evolve from genetics, much like languages, placement and early migration patterns as well as waring tribes shaped development.  Climates as well - Europeans developed strong bodies and intelligent minds on average, for survival in the climates of Europe.  Africans developed fast, lower-IQ minds with much more durable bodies and stronger group-think to ensure hunter-survivor dynamic in Africa.  These are only two examples, but if we go deeper - in studies among children - children will almost inherently favor their own color and language than anything else.  European and Asian children can identify themselves in mirrors as early as 6 months old, due to the increased nature of their IQ, they have a more inherent concept of the self, despite not being capable of extremely complex thought yet nor having gone through schooling.

[christianled59]

1 minute ago, BiscuitMassacre said:

I just know that if Hillary wins by a landslide, I will know that is was rigged. The VAST amount  of people that go to trumps rallies EVERY SINGLE DAY opposed to hillary's is ridiculous. I also believe the HUGE silent majority stands with Trump. Trump just isn't the kind of guy most people like to brag about supporting. And if you think for a second that Trump will start a WW you are an Idiot.

 

Trump=Peace with Russia

Hillary=shames russia constantly, blaming them for her deleting emails. 

 

And if there is a second Civil War, the South (Trump) would win for sure. I don't think Hillary's supporters are one to win a war of any kind. If you think if someone says the "p" word is a sexist being that needs to hung, you aren't going to be the type of MAN that would die in battle for freedom, ANd besides most of hill's supporters are peace loving anyways. 

 

Use paper. Vote Trump. Don't be manipulated by the Media. 

 

Trump=better eco, more jobs, peace with Russia, Stop ISIS, Less debt

Clinton=Worse eco, less working people, more free healthcare to those who won't work, probable war with Russia, more debt by several trillion

 

And what is with this TRUMP is GREEDY? 

What the heck? The poor dude spent ~$200M into his own campaign and he is doing it for the money? Are you serious? 

 

Let me paraphrase this with, "I'm voting for Trump."

 

A landslide doesn't necessary mean it was rigged. In the polls, Trump is very close to Hillary. But that's just popular vote. Due to our trash electoral college system, Hillary narrowly wins all the big states. A couple days ago, it showed Hillary with 273 electoral votes and trump with a mere 240ish. 

 

 

Due to recent news though, I won't doubt it was rigged. Even if Trump wins. 

[corrado33]

1 minute ago, christianled59 said:

No fly zone in syria even though many millitary generals have claimed that doing so would lead to war against syria and russia. Hillary wants this. Trump wants to work with Russia. 

 

Who is more dumb here?

What someone WANTS and what someone will DO is two completely different things. I may want to smack trump supporters upon the head, that doesn't mean I'll do it.

 

I don't really think I have to link in every time Trump has said he'll do something completely against the constitution, or proved his lack of knowledge of our own government, or said something stupid only to claim that he "Didn't say it" a few days later. 

[Jovidah]

3 minutes ago, christianled59 said:

No fly zone in syria even though many millitary generals have claimed that doing so would lead to war against syria and russia. Hillary wants this. Trump wants to work with Russia. 

 

Who is more dumb here?

Actually the problem is that Trump has proven time after time that he...really doesn't have the first clue what he's talking about in regard to these conflicts. Either he's uninterested or incapable, but whether he's trying to 'talk tough' or 'look like a real leader', whenever he starts talking about these kind of subjects it's pretty evident he just... tries to talk the talk without ever having walked the walk. 

Not that that's necessarily disastruous; with some capable advisors it might still result in sensible policy. But in all likelihood it'd leave him open to be easily influenced (as is evident by the whole pro-Russia stuff that likely has to do a lot with Paul Manafort). Now while I'm not principally against working with Russia, considering it's recent behavior this is about as defensible as the British appeasement policy in 30's. It makes no sense to reward it for breaking pretty much every international law in the book and invading foreign countries.

Just now, christianled59 said:

Of course. And I'm not saying I want to be under an authoritarian government either. What I am saying, is they aren't as bad as the media leads us to believe. I have plenty of russian friends and they're all really comfortable in Russia. Hell, gun control over there isn't a whole lot stricter than in the fucking US. "'Merica!!!" has nearly as strict gun laws as fucking russia. That's saying something, and Hillary wants to impose more control. 

Admittedly; in most dictatorships it's unlikely you'll be bothered too much by the leadership as long as you claim to love the leader and 'don't make any noise'. But that's true for North Korea as well. Doesn't mean it's heaven on earth. The problem with most of these authoritarian regimes usually only show up if you're a minority, in a country right across the border, or find yourself at odds with some corrupt official in power. 

[stconquest]

22 minutes ago, BiscuitMassacre said:

I just know that if Hillary wins by a landslide, I will know that is was rigged. The VAST amount  of people that go to trumps rallies EVERY SINGLE DAY opposed to hillary's is ridiculous. I also believe the HUGE silent majority stands with Trump. Trump just isn't the kind of guy most people like to brag about supporting. And if you think for a second that Trump will start a WW you are an Idiot.

 

Trump=Peace with Russia

Hillary=shames russia constantly, blaming them for her deleting emails. 

 

And if there is a second Civil War, the South (Trump) would win for sure. I don't think Hillary's supporters are one to win a war of any kind. If you think if someone says the "p" word is a sexist being that needs to hung, you aren't going to be the type of MAN that would die in battle for freedom, ANd besides most of hill's supporters are peace loving anyways. 

 

Use paper. Vote Trump. Don't be manipulated by the Media. 

 

Trump=better eco, more jobs, peace with Russia, Stop ISIS, Less debt

Clinton=Worse eco, less working people, more free healthcare to those who won't work, probable war with Russia, more debt by several trillion

 

And what is with this TRUMP is GREEDY? 

What the heck? The poor dude spent ~$200M into his own campaign and he is doing it for the money? Are you serious? 

 

haha... this is a satire piece, right?

 

Let me explain in a way you would understand:

 

"I just know that if Hillary wins by a landslide, I will know that is was rigged."  Wrong

 

"I also believe the HUGE silent majority stands with Trump."  Wrong

 

"And if there is a second Civil War, the South (Trump) would win for sure."  Wrong

 

"The poor dude spent ~$200M into his own campaign..."  Wrong

[BiscuitMassacre]

Just now, corrado33 said:

What someone WANTS and what someone will DO is two completely different things. I may want to smack trump supporters upon the head, that doesn't mean I'll do it.

 

I don't really think I have to link in every time Trump has said he'll do something completely against the constitution, or proved his lack of knowledge of our own government, or said something stupid only to claim that he "Didn't say it" a few days later. 

That's a really dumb sentence. So saying something wrong is okay if you are lying? What?

[TidaLWaveZ]

Just now, corrado33 said:

Would love to see your evidence here.  Because there sure as hell is a lot of evidence to the contrary. 

 

No, there's just not at all.  Both candidates are blatantly hypocritical liars and the fact that Trump even has a chance shows how terrible Hillary is. She's had full support of the current POTUS in every single aspect of her campaign and FBI incident for that matter and she still hasn't pulled away.

 

 

[SurvivorNVL]

On 11/7/2016 at 10:11 AM, corrado33 said:

What someone WANTS and what someone will DO is two completely different things. I may want to smack trump supporters upon the head, that doesn't mean I'll do it.

 

I don't really think I have to link in every time Trump has said he'll do something completely against the constitution, or proved his lack of knowledge of our own government, or said something stupid only to claim that he "Didn't say it" a few days later. 

Hillary has been calling out and claiming Russia, Russia, Russia this entire GE.  You have our U.S. Govt funding Al-Nusra and Al Qaeda and supporting "moderate" rebels who end up decapitating and forcing women under Sharia as soon as they capture a town.  They use people as body-shields.  While the Syrian Arab Army is liberating towns, and rebuilding Christian Churches the same as the Iraqi Army.  Hillary's many foreign interventionary policy is neocon by nature - she will, by all means start a world war, because it's profitable for the oil economy, something we're enslaved to.

On 11/7/2016 at 10:14 AM, TidaLWaveZ said:

 

No, there's just not at all.  Both candidates are blatantly hypocritical liars and the fact that Trump even has a chance shows how terrible Hillary is. She's had full support of the current POTUS in every single aspect of her campaign and FBI incident for that matter and she still hasn't pulled away.

 

 

Not to mention she's had a parade of celeb's to come out for her.  The Dems blew it.  They chose a corrupt, neocon woman president, instead of an old, populist Socialist who had the youth vote in the bag.

[kaiju_wars]

3 minutes ago, SurvivorNVL said:

Not to mention she's had a parade of celeb's to come out for her.  The Dems blew it.  They chose a corrupt, neocon woman president, instead of an old, populist Socialist who had the youth vote in the bag.

I mean, the only reason she was picked was because it was rigged against Sanders anyways.
Wikileaks even helped prove this.  

[TidaLWaveZ]

2 minutes ago, SurvivorNVL said:

Not to mention she's had a parade of celeb's to come out for her.  The Dems blew it.  They chose a corrupt, neocon woman president, instead of an old, populist Socialist who had the youth vote in the bag.

 

I'm not a huge Bernie fan, but he for sure got screwed.

 

You should have seen his crowd in Louisville(largest city in KY by far, 30th in Nation) compared to Hillary's and she somehow blew him out.  I've never seen so many people in one area than the Bernie rally at the waterfront.

[SurvivorNVL]

On 11/7/2016 at 10:19 AM, kaiju_wars said:

I mean, the only reason she was picked was because it was rigged against Sanders anyways.
Wikileaks even helped prove this.  

Not to mention their own elites were prepared to do anything to make Sanders lose--though all it took was a bribe and blackmailing / threatening him to get him to back down.  Sanders and Jill Stein could've built against the Neocon/Liberal machine of the Democrat party.

On 11/7/2016 at 10:20 AM, TidaLWaveZ said:

I'm not a huge Bernie fan, but he for sure got screwed.

 

You should have seen his crowd in Louisville(largest city in KY by far, 30th in Nation) compared to Hillary's and she somehow blew him out.  I've never seen so many people in one area than the Bernie rally at the waterfront.

I was a Sanders supporter for a time.  Honestly--had Bernie won the nom, and it'd been Trump v Bernie, I'd have been happy no matter the outcome, because it's anti-establishment either way in that scenario.  Trump is the preferred option no matter what--all his policy lines up with my preference for the next four years and he's a master of trolling so far and knowing who his loyalists are.

[kaiju_wars]

3 minutes ago, SurvivorNVL said:

Not to mention their own elites were prepared to do anything to make Sanders lose--though all it took was a bribe and blackmailing / threatening him to get him to back down.  Sanders and Jill Stein could've built against the Neocon/Liberal machine of the Democrat party.

Eh, I believe he sold out afterwards, which made me lose respect for him.  He wasn't my first choice, but after Carson dropped out, I was going to go for Sanders if it came down to him vs Trump.

Either way, dems on social media always cry that election rigging doesn't exist.  I just sit there and think, "yet Sanders isn't in the race..."

 

Still, I see an end to both the Democrat and Republican party after this election, at least in the sense that we know the parties.  People like Sanders, Carson, Paul, even Trump, they've all kinda shown the corruption of the establishment in this election.  

 

I also see that no matter who wins, they're a one term president.

[Jovidah]

1 minute ago, SurvivorNVL said:

Hillary has been calling out and claiming Russia, Russia, Russia this entire GE.  You have our U.S. Govt funding Al-Nusra and Al Qaeda and supporting "moderate" rebels who end up decapitating and forcing women under Sharia as soon as they capture a town.  They use people as body-shields.  While the Syrian Arab Army is liberating towns, and rebuilding Christian Churches the same as the Iraqi Army.  Hillary's many foreign interventionary policy is neocon by nature - she will, by all means start a world war, because it's profitable for the oil economy, something we're enslaved to.

There are...quite a few half-truths and problems here. You do know the US is bombing Al-Nusra right?

Al-Nusra was never really supported outright by the US....but by the Gulf states. And Turkey. Although there likely was at least US knowledge, the fact of the matter is this would have happened anyway. Now about Al-Nusra itself. While it's easy to paint in shades of black and white the reality is they've been a lot more grey. The reason they have been rather succesful on the ground is that in reality, they haven't done the things you talked about all that much. Even Sharia wasn't enforced by them - which is the main reason they lost all their more hardline members to IS. Simply put; they started to understand the 'Hearts and Minds'-stuff... 

That isn't to say that attrocities haven't happened under them. But they have happened under all groups. In fact, even IS can't even dream of reaching the civilian kill-count of the Syrian regime.

 

Starting to bomb Al-Nusra, especially after it split and most of their hardcore members left for IS, was really a startegic mistake. They'd have been far better off trying to socialize them into a normal actor while retaining them as an efficient force on the battlefield. Now you just end up with the strongest opposition group being bombed by all sides, offering it no other option than to be a spoiler.

I wouldn't necessarily consider other groups as 'much better'. A lot of them have their own hidden agenda, and very few have clean hands. 

 

In all fairness though... I think the main critique you can have of US policy in Syria is that they've simply been too absent. They really haven't done much that had a sizable impact. The biggest thing I can think of is when they finally started delivering TOW missiles, but even that had a limited impact (it created a stalemate at best).

 

[SurvivorNVL]

Just now, kaiju_wars said:

Eh, I believe he sold out afterwards, which made me lose respect for him.  He wasn't my first choice, but after Carson dropped out, I was going to go for Sanders if it came down to him vs Trump.

Either way, dems on social media always cry that election rigging doesn't exist.  I just sit there and think, "yet Sanders isn't in the race..."

 

Still, I see an end to both the Democrat and Republican party after this election, at least in the sense that we know the parties.  People like Sanders, Carson, Paul, even Trump, they've all kinda shown the corruption of the establishment in this election.  

Problem is that if Hillary wins, Demographic change will end up creating a Democrat single-state party for all but a handful of Red states.  They'll hold the electoral college permanently, because Hispanic and Arabic peoples have one inherent advantage over the Euro-American population:  Group-think.  Hence why some Colonels both active and retired have made the remarks, "This is the last peaceful election."