New macbook Pro USB C kills WiFi

[Paragon_X]

So Louis Rossman got his hands on a new Macbook, 

When he tries to use Wifi while using a high bandwidth USB C port the WiFi completely dies or if it is just a normal one it goes slow as hell. My guess for this is that the PCIe lanes are getting full and the WiFi which probably is a soldered M.2 chip doesn't have enough lanes to work properly you can see the video below.

This is ridiculous to be honest they elevated the priced in Europe by 200  euro that means the base Macbook pro costs 1889 Euro (without counting the countless dongles that someone will require) which is the same as the razer blade 14. Even with all the considered goods of the ecosystem i cannot see how this joke of a machine can stand up to the competition at this pricepoint. Only those who have invested in apple ecosystem and proprietary software might benefit.

LIST OF THINGS THAT DO NOT WORK:
- Powering an external HDD
- Wifi dying or getting slow while using USB C
- Display output from USB C to HDMI Flickering
 

[Bsmith]

might be an isolated case, might not. we will see.

apple is known to not have the best functioning wifi chips anyway, so nothing new here.

[pk-man]

a $99 dongle would fix that /s

[SCHISCHKA]

i got to question Tim Cook. No update to the rest of the apple line. no 4k apple tv. no retina on the MacBook air. 

now this. I dont think they've even updated the super expensive trash can model

[Paragon_X]

Just now, SCHISCHKA said:

i got to question Tim Cook. No update to the rest of the apple line. no 4k apple tv. no retina on the MacBook air. 

now this. I dont think they've even updated the super expensive trash can model

They did not. just software update on Apple TV

[ThinkWithPortals]

And to fix this, in true Apple fashion, we need an extortionately priced adapter/dongle.

[Dackzy]

holy shit, they fucked up so badly with the new macbooks.

Phill Schiller I think you are your team needs to go back to school

[Tech_Dreamer]

*sigh*  it's a new feature

[captain_to_fire]

Are they issuing a recall too? Too soon. It's probably an isolated case. He can just return it to an Apple Store and have it replaced.

[Nowak]

This is the future they chose.

[Dackzy]

6 minutes ago, hey_yo_ said:

Are they issuing a recall too? Too soon. It's probably an isolated case. He can just return it to an Apple Store and have it replaced.

each usb/thunderbolt port uses 4 lanes, the NVMe uses 4 lanes and the wifi is 2 lanes I think. I don't think that their CPUs have 22-24 lanes, so it would have to disable something.

[NeoZeon]

I'd be shocked if this wasn't an isolated event. 

[C2dan88]

Apples obsession of trying to make their devices as thin/light as possible is now starting to catch up on them. All they needed to do is to make it 1-2mm thicker and they could of used regular usb/hdmi ports rather then usb-c all round.

[AlTech]

7 hours ago, C2dan88 said:

Apples obsession of trying to make their devices as thin/light as possible is now starting to catch up on them. All they needed to do is to make it 1-2mm thicker and they could of used regular usb/hdmi ports rather then usb-c all round.

The problem here is that the MBP 2016 runs out of PCI-E lanes since Thunderbolt3 uses many PCI-E lanes and PCI-E Wi-Fi card and PCI-E SSD..........

 

8 hours ago, ThinkWithPortals said:

And to fix this, in true Apple fashion, we need an extortionately priced adapter/dongle.

this is a physical issue with the Pro itself and no amount of dongles can fix this.

[rattacko123]

13 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

The problem here is that the MBP 2016 runs out of PCI-E lanes since Thunderbolt3 uses many PCI-E lanes and PCI-E Wi-Fi card and PCI-E SSD..........

16 pcie used by the usb-c, 2 from the wifi card, and 4 from the SSD. That's 22, aren't consumer processors only supposed to have 16 lanes??
EDIT: and some more pcie lanes used by the graphics card as well (in the 15 inch model)  

[LAwLz]

I'm not going to crucify Apple for this before we get more reports. It might just be an isolated issue. I would not be surprised though.

 

The Macbook Pro is a joke as a "pro" machine even if it didn't have these issues. The only professionals it's designed for are Apple "journalists" that spends their days writing about how awesome Apple is.

 

Edit: He did make one fatal error in this video though. He does not use first party adapters. I am sure Apple fanboys will call him out on that and claim everything is invalid because of it. There might be some validity to that, but it might not (and he even says he will give it the benefit of a doubt).

[AlTech]

1 hour ago, rattacko123 said:

16 pcie used by the usb-c, 2 from the wifi card, and 4 from the SSD. That's 22, aren't consumer processors only supposed to have 16 lanes??
EDIT: and some more pcie lanes used by the graphics card as well (in the 15 inch model)  

16 lanes for the 15" dGPU as well

[Dackzy]

1 minute ago, AluminiumTech said:

16 lanes for the 15" dGPU as well

or 8

[crystal6tak]

Anyone got time stamps on the video? I'd appreciate it!

[tlink]

1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

I'm not going to crucify Apple for this before we get more reports. It might just be an isolated issue. I would not be surprised though.

 

The Macbook Pro is a joke as a "pro" machine even if it didn't have these issues. The only professionals it's designed for are Apple "journalists" that spends their days writing about how awesome Apple is.

 

Edit: He did make one fatal error in this video though. He does not use first party adapters. I am sure Apple fanboys will call him out on that and claim everything is invalid because of it. There might be some validity to that, but it might not (and he even says he will give it the benefit of a doubt).

but aren't those all standardized ports? why have standardized ports if your adapters are not standardized?

[zMeul]

my guess it's the lack of power delivered to the type C

when he plugs in the HDD into the minihub adapter thingy it starts clicking - sign it lacks power

 

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can anyone find out what chipset (PCH) they used ? 

I don't think they used the Z170; so it leaves the H170 (16 lanes), H110 (6 lanes !!!!!), Q170 (20 lanes), Q150 (10 lanes) and B150 (8 lanes)

Edited November 3, 2016 by zMeul

[Paragon_X]

1 minute ago, huilun02 said:

But of course a computer repair man has to go out of his way to fault a manufacturer. How else is he going to rake in the business? 

 

The repair shops in my area would gladly take in computers with well known issues and charge customers even if nothing could be done.

 

Loius this anti-Apple scumbag would rather inform people to save them the trouble. Yes Apple go ahead and sue him. 

Did you even watch the video? Its on live cam they have 2015 model Macbook and an XPS which none exhibits the same problems. Its not that guys fault that the new Macbook has a faulty design or software bugs.

[Dackzy]

4 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

But of course a computer repair man has to go out of his way to fault a manufacturer. How else is he going to rake in the business? 

 

The repair shops in my area would gladly take in computers with well known issues and charge customers even if nothing could be done.

 

Loius this anti-Apple scumbag would rather inform people to save them the trouble. Yes Apple go ahead and sue him. 

so you don't like that a person shows a problem with a product? You sir have a very weird attitude to this. 

If you think that it is okay for a company to sue a person because they find a flaw in the product, then you have a fucked up way of thinking.

 

He does not go out of his way at all. he tests a laptop and he sees that there is a problem with you use a USB port, how often do you use a USB port while surfing on the web or using some form of net.

[Dabombinable]

2 hours ago, rattacko123 said:

16 pcie used by the usb-c, 2 from the wifi card, and 4 from the SSD. That's 22, aren't consumer processors only supposed to have 16 lanes??
EDIT: and some more pcie lanes used by the graphics card as well (in the 15 inch model)  

 

51 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

16 lanes for the 15" dGPU as well

Ok....Apple actually went more than a little bit retarded when designing the 2016 Macbook Pro.

[TidaLWaveZ]

2 hours ago, rattacko123 said:

16 pcie used by the usb-c, 2 from the wifi card, and 4 from the SSD. That's 22, aren't consumer processors only supposed to have 16 lanes??
EDIT: and some more pcie lanes used by the graphics card as well (in the 15 inch model)  

 

There's probably some auxiliary lanes provided by the motherboard, but who knows considering Apple doesn't reveal their true specs.