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WikiLeaks: Google's Eric Schmidt Collaborates With Clinton Campaign Team to Use the Cloud as Voter Information Aggregation Tool

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To the original topic:

 

As a product i think it is just fine, and i can see why a campaign would be interested in having their information pooled in one location.  However as a product it needs to be available to all politicians and political parties with the ability to segregate data one collects from another. 

 

I dislike how Eric Schmidt automatically advocated paying the workers a low wage and then translating them elsewhere expecting them to obtain their own room and board.

 

1 hour ago, Wrb said:

How, everything I've heard he has done seems good? I'm not too into US politics, all I see is what UK media says of him.

If the media has a political bias then the person they are reporting on will either be an Angel or a Devil. 

Obama isnt the worst, but he is also far from the best.  A lot of his "accomplishments" would have occurred without him.  

The ACA "Obamacare" helps a lot of people, but also screws over a lot of people. Which were kind of how things were before it so its hard to tell if things are "better" or not. Some metrics yes, but others not so much.

 

Syria is screwed because of him.  He took an anti-assad stance from day 1 and has provided assistance to the anti-assad rebels; who are allies with ISIS, Al-qaeda, and other organizations.  

 

Reporters & Whistle blowers: His administration has taken a very hard stance against both.  Reporters have been subject to searches and surveilance for minor level stuff.   Whistleblowers have been punished, which is a crime, for reporting governmental wrong doing.  For instance the guy who blew the whistle on the ATF's gun running program was terminated for "poor performance" even though he just had a review that he passed with flying colors.

 

My overall opinion on him is "Meh" which is what my overall opinion of Bush was.  

1 hour ago, ivan134 said:

He's a right wing winger. You're not going to get facts of him or anything based on reality. He's the equivalent of the people in your country who sided with Brexit.

Left wingers and Right Wingers because in the same manner.  Facts when it suits them and hyperbole when it doesn't. 

 

48 minutes ago, Michael McAllister said:

Lincoln and Washington would be considered left in comparison to modern-day neocons.  

I hear this sort of stuff a lot, but it's not true in the slightest.  Both political parties have gradually moved left over the years.  Strong religious beliefs, fear of government, opposition to gay marriage, opposition to abortion were pretty much the standard on both sides.  

 

Even in more recent times you can see the gradual shift leftward.  JFK would be considered a Center-right conservative by today's standards for instance. 

20 minutes ago, maulemall said:

We do disagree.

 

Even though you did earn your healthcare by serving that doesn't change the fact that it's still a single payer funded system operated by a government agency.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Can you name which ones you consider "bad things" then? Because yes I consider shit like Saudi Arabia donating to the Clinton Foundation directly and the Goldmand Sach speeches worst but I wouldn't say, to quote myself, this is "Dindu Nuffin!" either.

Why would I want to do that... in this thread?  ...so much shit in here

 

22 minutes ago, Michael McAllister said:

 

I do not believe this particular email chain is the worst offender, but it does show the power structure between the tech industry and government.  Other emails are certainly far worse but are not appropriate for this forum.

 

What I see is a part of a prospective business dealing.  You go up to a company rep and ask:  If I want to do "this" with your company what would it entail and how much would it cost.

 

An email like this is what you might get back.

 

There is much worse in the releases.  This is not even relevant to corruption.  Maybe in some contextual way, but we don't have that here in this email.

 

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Even though you did earn your healthcare by serving that doesn't change the fact that it's still a single payer funded system operated by a government agency.

 

We can disagree.

 

His salient point was that I was a conservative who believed in single payer and used the fact that I earned and prepaid on my insurance to make his incorrect assumption.

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Just now, stconquest said:

Why would I want to do that... in this thread?

Suddenly you're all super respectful of the CoC but hey at least I didn't get the usual "Educate yourself shitlord" response when this comes up. 


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Just now, Misanthrope said:

Suddenly you're all super respectful of the CoC but hey at least I didn't get the usual "Educate yourself shitlord" response when this comes up. 

huh?

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Just now, wrathoftheturkey said:

Come on. Google isn't the government, they don't have the rights to do this stuff

Well, if you flip that on its head, the US government theoretically does not have the right to snoop on private conversations without a warrant.  The Patriot Act says otherwise.

1 minute ago, wrathoftheturkey said:

no. Electronic does not mean IOT

Unauthorized access of online databases is quite common these days.  The integrity of the vote is one of the most important things to a free and open society.  Putting so much of this data in the cloud seems like a disaster waiting to happen.


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1 hour ago, maulemall said:

Because he is the worst President this country has ever had.

 

1 hour ago, maulemall said:

He hasn't help Blacks and minorities at all. In fact he has set them back in race relations 30 years.

I live in an ALL black apartment comunity and I know these people are hurting and he has done nothing but cause pain for them.

 

1 hour ago, SurvivorNVL said:

He and Hillary have effectively committed treason.  There's a long list of things he's done that are considered treasonous by many instances in U.S. law, and Hillary has dozens more accounts, but in the case of Obama, him and Hillary have been causing the entire Syrian conflict and prolonging of war, mass droning of civilian populaces and the funding of Jihadist groups, Al Nusra, ISIS, Al Qaeda(again), and FSA(Free Syrian Army), in order to topple Assad, in order to build an oil pipeline in the region for Qatar and Turkey, though that goal may be sort of shuttered away now that Turkey is going Neo-Ottoman and not playing in to -anyone's- hands.  Hell, Fast and Furious is, was, and will forever be a blemish that needs to be brought up repeatedly.   Bush 1 and 2, both Clintons and Obama need to all be tried for treason.  And while we're at it, we need to strike Reagan's 'accomplishment' from the books due to his amnesty reform in the 80s causing half the problems we have now.

 

1 hour ago, maulemall said:

trump can be dealt with. hilerry is a criminal who has no fear of breaking the law.

 

2 hours ago, maulemall said:

The only real reason that people think this election cycle is nothing but Drama is because the MSM has sided with the Clintons and done everything they can to hide and protect the biggest crime family in the world. 

Ah, don't you love unsubstantiated claims with a complete disregard for nuance?

 

While we're on the subject, US politics is shit, but not for the reason you'd think. Fiscal conservatives have valid points regarding the inefficiency of government, and that government can create more problems than it solves, and that tax cuts, while theoretically less effective for the economy, still present a strong moral alternative to changes in government spending. The problem is that their sole representation in government is by people who think Climate change is a hoax perpetuated by the chinese and that natural disasters are god's punishment for gay marriage.

 

You're pissed at HRC? This is the price you pay for not having a reasonable opposition party


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Just now, wrathoftheturkey said:

 

 

 

 

Ah, don't you love unsubstantiated claims with a complete disregard for nuance?

 

While we're on the subject, US politics is shit, but not for the reason you'd think. Fiscal conservatives have valid points regarding the inefficiency of government, and that government can create more problems than it solves, and that tax cuts, while theoretically less effective for the economy, still present a strong moral alternative to changes in government spending. The problem is that their sole representation in government is by people who think Climate change is a hoax perpetuated by the chinese and that natural disasters are god's punishment for gay marriage.

 

You're pissed at HRC? This is the price you pay for not having a reasonable opposition party

I was going to try to read all that but he still doesn't defend just come after me.

 

Instant loss .

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5 minutes ago, maulemall said:

We can disagree.

 

His salient point was that I was a conservative who believed in single payer and used the fact that I earned and prepaid on my insurance to make his incorrect assumption.

 

I assumed you were in favor of single-payer because you like your government healthcare coverage.  Nothing wrong with that.


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14 minutes ago, Michael McAllister said:

 

So if a congressman gets a ton of money from Lockheed Martin or GE, where is the incentive to provide better healthcare?  If you're old and broken, those companies can just push you aside and recruit younger soldiers.

I am struggling to find the connection between special interests and the VA.  Special interests, such as corporate donors, only really affect policy in the industries they operate in.  A Senator getting a large donation from lockheed isn't going to be compelled to automatically screw over the VA because the VA has nothing to do with Lockheed. 

 

The problem with the VA is bureaucracy plane and simple. People argue, usually Democrats, that the problem with the VA is a lack of funding.  However their budget has more than doubled over the past few years and even other democrats are saying that throwing yet more money isn't going to fix things.  

A prime example of it being a leadership problem is when the VA researched into the possibility on converting patient records into electronic.  After a few months of "research" they concluded it was not possible.

That endeavor cost 1 billion dollars. 1 billion and they have nothing physical to show for it at all. Just a "nope". 

 

3 minutes ago, maulemall said:

We can disagree.

That is correct, but it doesn't change the outcome. 

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38 minutes ago, Michael McAllister said:

 

I assumed you were in favor of single-payer because you like your government healthcare coverage.  Nothing wrong with that.

I said I was thankful not that I liked it. The misunderstanding could well be my fault but to clear it up I would prefer that I had the option to pick my own Dr.

 

38 minutes ago, Thunderpup said:

I am struggling to find the connection between special interests and the VA.  Special interests, such as corporate donors, only really affect policy in the industries they operate in.  A Senator getting a large donation from lockheed isn't going to be compelled to automatically screw over the VA because the VA has nothing to do with Lockheed. 

 

The problem with the VA is bureaucracy plane and simple. People argue, usually Democrats, that the problem with the VA is a lack of funding.  However their budget has more than doubled over the past few years and even other democrats are saying that throwing yet more money isn't going to fix things.  

A prime example of it being a leadership problem is when the VA researched into the possibility on converting patient records into electronic.  After a few months of "research" they concluded it was not possible.

That endeavor cost 1 billion dollars. 1 billion and they have nothing physical to show for it at all. Just a "nope". 

 

That is correct, but it doesn't change the outcome. 

I don't disagree with anything you say.

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1 minute ago, Thunderpup said:

I am struggling to find the connection between special interests and the VA.  Special interests, such as corporate donors, only really affect policy in the industries they operate in.  A Senator getting a large donation from lockheed isn't going to be compelled to automatically screw over the VA because the VA has nothing to do with Lockheed. 

 

The problem with the VA is bureaucracy plane and simple. People argue, usually Democrats, that the problem with the VA is a lack of funding.  However their budget has more than doubled over the past few years and even other democrats are saying that throwing yet more money isn't going to fix things.  

A prime example of it being a leadership problem is when the VA researched into the possibility on converting patient records into electronic.  After a few months of "research" they concluded it was not possible.

That endeavor cost 1 billion dollars. 1 billion and they have nothing physical to show for it at all. Just a "nope". 

 

The connection is that funds for these other interests have to come from somewhere.  This usually means reducing funding from things like education and healthcare in order to offset corporate tax cuts.

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3 minutes ago, Michael McAllister said:

 

The connection is that funds for these other interests have to come from somewhere.  This usually means reducing funding from things like education and healthcare in order to offset corporate tax cuts.

That chart, to the uninitiated, would make it look like the government only really spends money on the military and almost nothing on everything else.

 

However that is only the "discretionary" spending, and does not include the mandatory spending.  Below has both and shows the total spending for the US government during the same year, and it is by the same people that made your chart.

 

Image result for 2015 federal budget pie chart

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25 minutes ago, Thunderpup said:

That chart, to the uninitiated, would make it look like the government only really spends money on the military and almost nothing on everything else.

 

I mean that's pretty true, we spend more than the next six (i think? maybe more) largest miitaries do combined

 

25 minutes ago, maulemall said:

if you want to be honesttotal-spending-pie-2015.png

lol how'd Congress take that?


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Just now, wrathoftheturkey said:

lol how'd Congress take that?

You got in right before me ...

They swallowed it whole looks like.

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2 minutes ago, Thunderpup said:

That chart, to the uninitiated, would make it look like the government only really spends money on the military and almost nothing on everything else.

 

However that is only the "discretionary" spending, and does not include the mandatory spending.  Below has both and shows the total spending for the US government during the same year, and it is by the same people that made your chart.

 

Image result for 2015 federal budget pie chart

 

The reason I chose the discretionary spending chart is because it gives an idea of how legislators currently in Congress allocate the money, whereas total spending includes spending predicated on decisions from previous administrations.


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4 minutes ago, wrathoftheturkey said:

I mean that's pretty true, we spend more than the next six (i think? maybe more) largest miitaries do combined

Really? Do you have actual numbers on Russia and China?

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3 hours ago, Michael McAllister said:

I've donated to candidates this election, so will third parties be able to hand this information off to Google at their leisure?  Given that a number of states use electronic voting machines, will Google somehow have access to this information?

It isn't information being passed to Google, it is Google looking at your search history and what sites you visit. It is like ADsense except instead of looking at whether you should get ads for computer parts or cars it is looking at your stance on different political issues. Its targeted ads for ideas instead of products.

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18 minutes ago, maulemall said:

Really? Do you have actual numbers on Russia and China?

http://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0053_defense-comparison 


Most data seems to be from this independent source https://www.sipri.org/ so to cite additional sources would be redundant as they all say the same thing (except the Heritage Foundation, but they're hella biased and designed to give Republicans support to give to their voters)

 

18 minutes ago, Squirrel724 said:

It isn't information being passed to Google, it is Google looking at your search history and what sites you visit. It is like ADsense except instead of looking at whether you should get ads for computer parts or cars it is looking at your stance on different political issues. Its targeted ads for ideas instead of products.

Basically what FaceBook does, but I'm sure there's a way to opt out of it.


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4 minutes ago, wrathoftheturkey said:

I mean that's pretty true, we spend more than the next six (i think? maybe more) largest miitaries do combined

True, but as a % of GDP our military spending is ranked around 5th.  

1 minute ago, Michael McAllister said:

 

The reason I chose the discretionary spending chart is because it gives an idea of how legislators currently in Congress allocate the money, whereas total spending includes spending predicated on decisions from previous administrations.

I can see why someone would make that decision, but that would only be viable if discretionary spending occurred in a vacuum.  Since mandatory spending automatically allocates a lot of funding toward the target of our discussion, healthcare, then that more than anything else would affect how pro-active they are to increase funding.  Why bother when it's already being handled?


 

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7 minutes ago, wrathoftheturkey said:

http://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0053_defense-comparison 


Most data seems to be from this independent source https://www.sipri.org/ so to cite additional sources would be redundant as they all say the same thing (except the Heritage Foundation, but they're hella biased and designed to give Republicans support to give to their voters)

Wow ... That's some really out there source

 

donations from the pgp group

kinda makes you wonder about thier agenda

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14 minutes ago, Thunderpup said:

True, but as a % of GDP our military spending is ranked around 5th.  

21 minutes ago, Michael McAllister said:

As a percentage of our GDP our national debt isn't that bad either, but you don't hear people talking about that do you (sarcasm intended)

 

while on the subject of the debt and comic sans

 

if i can balance my budget why can't the government balance its checkbook? Won't the government go bankrupt or something?

 

smh

 

10 minutes ago, maulemall said:

Wow ... That's some really out there source

 

donations from the pgp group

Sorry, it's the DATA that's important, You have NBC http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/military-spending-cuts/u-s-military-spending-dwarfs-rest-world-n37461 and Business Insider http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-defense-budget-is-massive-2015-8 both saying the same thing, even though they're on the other side of the spectrum than PGP (who's funded by the Heritage foundation for crying out loud, how far right can you get?)


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Just now, wrathoftheturkey said:

Sorry, it's the DATA that's important, You have NBC http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/military-spending-cuts/u-s-military-spending-dwarfs-rest-world-n37461 and Business Insider http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-defense-budget-is-massive-2015-8 both saying the same thing, even though they're on the other side of the spectrum than PGP (who's funded by the Heritage foundation for crying out loud, how far right can you get?)

sorry dude I don't think you or they have a clue as to what Russia and China spend and you and they never will.

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6 minutes ago, maulemall said:

sorry dude I don't think you or they have a clue as to what Russia and China spend and you and they never will.

https://www.sipri.org/news/2016/sipri-presents-latest-military-expenditure-data-un-headquarters I mean, the UN seems to buy it, but sure, you're the military expert

 

@Michael McAllister dude this thread got off topic hella fast


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