[HELP!] How to properly export 4K at 60 fps in Adobe Premiere CS6?

[Mortis Angelus]

Hello,

 

I am trying to export some gameplay-footage at 4K from Adobe Premiere CS6, but the software won't let me. Original video is captured in 1440p, but I wanna do the same trick as Linus Media group does with their video to get access to the higher bit rate of youtube.

 

Now there are plenty of tutorials out there telling how to export 4K video in 30 fps, but none of them tackles the issue of exporting 60 fps.

 

The only half-assed solution I've found so far, is to use the AVI codec/container (I have no idea which term to use). However, using that solution creates two other issues for me:

 

1) The file size is just ginormous

2) Exporting to AVI is broken in Adobe Premiere, as it won't use my computer at its full capacity, thus taking forever to encode. Here's what happens:

- I set up my export for AVI-export, set quality to 100 % and remove any bitrate limit, set framerate to 60, and resolution to 3840x2160: And it all works. Wohoo (using h.264 will give an error)

- But during export the software only uses 3 of my 8 cores and they stay at 20 - 30 % usage. I also have the Mercury-engine active, but GPU stands at 0 % utilization.

 

In comparison, when exporting to h.264/Mp4 at 1080p/60 fps 100 % of all my cores and the GPU is used (gets loud and hot in the room).

 

Please! If someone knows how to fix this, or get around this issue, please tell me. Can I somehow force Premiere to use all cores for the encoding? In Linus's video about what GPU/CPU to use for video encoding, there was a huge difference in GPU and CPU usage when changing between different codecs and containers, so I doubt that issue can be fixed very easitly.

 

 

P.s. Video has been adjusted using unsharp mask, and Brightness & Contrast adjustments on the entire sequence.

 

[Electronics Wizardy]

Id upgrade to CC

 

But on CS6 you need a supported codec, the version of h264 doesn't support 4k60.

 

Id install quicktime. You can use animation codec, then convert to h264 with handbrake later.

[Mortis Angelus]

2 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Id upgrade to CC

 

But on CS6 you need a supported codec, the version of h264 doesn't support 4k60.

 

Id install quicktime. You can use animation codec, then convert to h264 with handbrake later.

Upgrade to CC is not an option. Besides, from what I have been able to gather from forums, CC suffers from the same issue, and is even worse when managing core utilization (Adobe is sitting with their thumbs up their asses, as these issues can be tracked back to CC 2014).

 

The animation-to-handbrake workflow sounds annoyingly tedious. That will mean a 4 day process for each video.

 

1) record gameplay footage and process with handbrake

2) edit video and export to animation format

3) convert to h264 in handbrake

4) upload to youtube.

 

That, of anything is a tedious process! You sure there isn't any better option?

 

Btw, did I mention the videos are like 40 minutes long?

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 minute ago, Mortis Angelus said:

CC suffers from the same issue,

CC 2015 does this just fine for me. They have a newer version of h264.

 

The cpu/gpu usage are more of a problem of the encoder than adobe.

 

CS6 wasn't designed for 4k, so it doesn't have good codec support built in.

[Mortis Angelus]

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

CC 2015 does this just fine for me. They have a newer version of h264.

 

The cpu/gpu usage are more of a problem of the encoder than adobe.

 

CS6 wasn't designed for 4k, so it doesn't have good codec support built in.

Can one update the codec only somehow? Or do one really have to update to CC?

[AkiraDaarkst]

Try switching over to DaVinci Resolve 12.5, 4K 60p export should be doable.  If all you do is sharpen image and adjust exposure level, you can do that in Resolve.

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 hour ago, Mortis Angelus said:

Can one update the codec only somehow? Or do one really have to update to CC?

You can buy third party codec packs, but there about the same price as a year or two of cc, and cs6 is normally slower and does worse with lots of cores/ram

[Mortis Angelus]

Now those are depressing news... I will try to bring the workfiles to my work as I have access to CC there.

[AkiraDaarkst]

1 hour ago, Mortis Angelus said:

Now those are depressing news... I will try to bring the workfiles to my work as I have access to CC there.

As I said, consider using DaVinci Resolve 12.5 which is free and has all the basic editing tools you are using in Premiere though they may have different names.

[Mortis Angelus]

21 minutes ago, AkiraDaarkst said:

As I said, consider using DaVinci Resolve 12.5 which is free and has all the basic editing tools you are using in Premiere though they may have different names.

I will try it out today. I briefly read through what the software has to offer, and it seems to be a full-fledged editing software for free. I'm just so reluctant to move away from an all-Adobe workflow.   But I will try.

 

 

[Mihle]

But features like lens flare you have to pay for in Resolve.

[Mortis Angelus]

12 hours ago, AkiraDaarkst said:

As I said, consider using DaVinci Resolve 12.5 which is free and has all the basic editing tools you are using in Premiere though they may have different names.

Didn't get it to work. I got through the initial setup process, looked at "What's new to explore", set the project folder, identified my CPU, Memory and GPU and then clicked "start".

 

Nothing happened. The software does not launch. In task manager I can see the process "Resolve.exe", but nothing launches. I force quit the program and tried to re-launch. Nothing. Any ideas?

 

18 minutes ago, Mihle Gaming said:

But features like lens flare you have to pay for in Resolve.

Wow.... I didn't realize Premiere had that. Thought that would be exclusive to After Effects.

[Mihle]

I dont know if premiere has it, I have never used it, I said it just that there is some advanced effects in Resolve that you might think is free when you look at the list, because the rest of the program is free, but when you click to add it, it ads text over your video instead saying you need to pay for the paid version. (but only advanced effects like lens flare)

 

[AkiraDaarkst]

16 hours ago, Mortis Angelus said:

Didn't get it to work. I got through the initial setup process, looked at "What's new to explore", set the project folder, identified my CPU, Memory and GPU and then clicked "start".

 

Nothing happened. The software does not launch. In task manager I can see the process "Resolve.exe", but nothing launches. I force quit the program and tried to re-launch. Nothing. Any ideas?

 

Wow.... I didn't realize Premiere had that. Thought that would be exclusive to After Effects.

Did you download the studio version or the free version?  The studio version, which is not free, requires a USB dongle that BlackMagic provides when you buy the software.

[Mortis Angelus]

35 minutes ago, AkiraDaarkst said:

Did you download the studio version or the free version?  The studio version, which is not free, requires a USB dongle that BlackMagic provides when you buy the software.

Free version. I doubt it would have let me setup the settings if I had the premium/studio version. Some people say it could be due to GPU-driver issues. What do you think about that? Possible?

[AkiraDaarkst]

What GPU do you have?

[Mortis Angelus]

3 minutes ago, AkiraDaarkst said:

What GPU do you have?

I wrote the message about it not working yesterday, and the last message today at work. Now when I came home and started the computer it works. So I guess it needed a reboot (which it never asked for) in order to work properly.

 

Is the free version limited to only using 8 GB RAM? In the preferences I cannot make it use more than 8.1 GB RAM (I have 16). Also, where can I change the shortcut/hotkeys? It is currently using FCP-shortcuts, but I'd like Premiere. It let me choose a Premiere window layout, but not the hotkeys.

 

And is the software less optimized than Premiere? During editing my cores are running 100 % all the time. Or is it like FCP X and does rendering in the background? And is it possible to change layout of the windows somehow? I don't need my media library to span the entire height of my screen. I'd rather have the preview window there.

[Mihle]

Do you mean 1, 2 or both? in this picture?

 

IF, remove 2, I dont think that is possible.

If you mean 1. Then use these buttons:
 

Spoiler

 

The first button is to make it go the hole way down the screen or not, and the three others is to toggle the three different things so they show or not.

 

 

[Mortis Angelus]

4 minutes ago, Mihle Gaming said:

 

Spoiler

 

Do you mean 1, 2 or both? in this picture?

 

IF, remove 2, I dont think that is possible.

If you mean 1. Then use these buttons:
 

 

  Hide contents

 

The first button is to make it go the hole way down the screen or not, and the three others is to toggle the three different things so they show or not.

 

 

I would like it to look like this:

Spoiler

I don't need the library to expand the entire height, and I would like to have access to the effects without switching tabs. The Tab-switching reminds me way too much of FCP7. Also, is it possible to see the audio level indicator in Resolve during editing? If so, where to enable it?

 

I'm not sure if Resolve has been modeled after FCP X (which I haven't used), but coming from FCP7 and Premiere, which follow a very similar layout and placement of effects/filters and so on, Resolve is very confusing to work with. Yes - there will obviously be a acclimation period, but it still feels odd that they would differ themselves so much.

[Mihle]

Actually, you can get Number 2 to go away. (aka make the one part you edit on biggest possible) the only way I know how to do it (just figured out, but not the best way) is yo have everything on the left buttons of, but on the right have just inspector or meta data showing. then it hides number 2, and the preview of your editing goes from 50% to 60% size, (for me, 1080p video on 1920x1200 screen)

 

If someone finds another way, I would be happy.

 

I have also wondered about that about changing shortcut/hotkeys, not because it is another program I have learnt that I want to use, its just that that I want to change to whatever I want. I have seen one do it, but I dont know what video it was.

 

Note: I am a noob in Resolve too, and trying to learn.

[Mihle]

If you mean the Audio meter in this image, its the button with the arrow pointing at.

 

 

[Mortis Angelus]

Just now, Mihle Gaming said:

If you mean the Audio meter in this image, its the button with the arrow pointing at.

 

 

Wow... (facepalm) Somehow that symbol is not very intuitive; it should be, but I just didn't connect it to finding the audio-meter there. I guess I'm too used to the Premiere/FCP7-logic.

 

Do you know if the program is doing rendering in the background, or why the hell my processors are working 100 % when the program is running?

[Mihle]

I dunno, it isnt using 100% of mine, I cpu is at like 20% if I ignore another program running.

 

EDIT: or it do use 80% when it starts up but is gone after like 10 sec, but I am doing it with a project I already have opened. might be doing things if you just opened a project and dragged files to your timeline? havent tested it but maybe?

[Mortis Angelus]

32 minutes ago, Mihle Gaming said:

I dunno, it isnt using 100% of mine, I cpu is at like 20% if I ignore another program running.

 

EDIT: or it do use 80% when it starts up but is gone after like 10 sec, but I am doing it with a project I already have opened. might be doing things if you just opened a project and dragged files to your timeline? havent tested it but maybe?

Yeah, might have been that. Thanks man. 

 

But I found out that Resolve indeed is modeled more after FCP X, and I believe that is the main reason everything seems so confusing and out of place. 

[AkiraDaarkst]

3 hours ago, Mortis Angelus said:

Yeah, might have been that. Thanks man. 

 

But I found out that Resolve indeed is modeled more after FCP X, and I believe that is the main reason everything seems so confusing and out of place. 

When you download the installer for DaVinci Resolve, the zip folder also contains the manual which is very thorough at explaining things.  Otherwise there are a number of good tutorial videos on YouTube.