Microsoft reports very little fragmentation of Windows 10 - Over 75% of users on the latest version.

[Fetzie]

13 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

Businesses that use Pro can defer upgrades, not that I do on mine, for a few months, while updates can be deferred for a few weeks. There's no reason for an IT department to not know about these processes nor should a business be running Home (like seriously?).

Businesses should have an domain set up with update distribution via the internal update distribution and not via the online service.

 

That way they can audit updates before they are deployed to the machines in the domain instead of having the update schedule decided by Microsoft.

 

If any Windows updates happen in an enterprise environment without a system administrator acting, it isn't Microsofts fault.

[Sakkura]

1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

You can postpone the download and installation for like 2 months (in increments of 7 days), but once the update is installed (and needs to reboot to apply the updates) it will only give you like 24 hours to reboot, or it will forcefully do it.

That's fair enough though.

[cesrai]

9 hours ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

its hard NOT to be on the latest version seeing as whenever i leave my computer for 5mins it fucking updates. i love windows 10 and the annaversairy update made it better but also broke shit with games, like i need to change some setting every time i start CS:GO to have it not capped at 30fps. i have even uninstalled the Xbox app that is suposed to be the problem.... and having my PC restart all the time is a bitch because i have it in hypersleep all the time so i can have all my windows open when i come back, like all my 60+ chrome tabs, discord and steam and a lot of other shit and then it decieds to restart in the middle of the night and then at 4 in the morning i hear my PC start up and i need to go manualy put it back to sleep and then i need to open all my programs when i come back again. windows 10 is good but THE FREAKING AUTO UPDATES RUIN MY LIFE

Ohh.. it was funny seeing people all over reddit and forums asking why their games is capped. Which pissed me the most is to be able to use the xbox app you needed to login and when you did that it automatically  linked your MS account with the account on the PC.

 

[Bananasplit_00]

12 minutes ago, cesrai said:

Ohh.. it was funny seeing people all over reddit and forums asking why their games is capped. Which pissed me the most is to be able to use the xbox app you needed to login and when you did that it automatically  linked your MS account with the account on the PC.

 

yah that was done for me even before that stuff because of the windows 10 store...

[XenosTech]

I don't get why people are making a huge deal about this, Microsoft didn't do anything that any company hasn't done yet (especially when they're in a market all to themselves.) My only gripe with windows 10 is all the privacy and ad stuff I have to disable every update.

[ARikozuM]

2 hours ago, Fetzie said:

Businesses should have an domain set up with update distribution via the internal update distribution and not via the online service.

 

That way they can audit updates before they are deployed to the machines in the domain instead of having the update schedule decided by Microsoft.

 

If any Windows updates happen in an enterprise environment without a system administrator acting, it isn't Microsofts fault.

Companies can defer updates for as long as they'd like. If an IT department doesn't have the knowledge, that's on them and not on Microsoft. It's not too difficult to test an update on two test machines before remotely updating all systems. 

1 hour ago, Sakkura said:

That's fair enough though.

I have to agree with this.  Businesses have programs and machines that run 24/7 and having them update inside of their usage would be crippling. Microsoft has placed the appropriate measures for deference and scheduling. After that it is up to IT to ensure that things are sound and well-kept.

[Delicieuxz]

11 hours ago, RagnarokDel said:

you can just disable the windows update service.

 

8 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Please don't. It just makes me so angry when people do this.

 

As someone who makes programs, if I make a Windows 10 program I'm gonna eventually move onto newer versions of Windows 10.

 

And you're only leaving yourself open to vulnerabilities and performance problems by not updating.

21 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

how about you keep your fucking mouth shut. I tell you what I want and not.

 

you are misinformed and are spreading misinformation.

Man, you are just one big example of arrogance, bad advice, and hypocrisy. And you don't know a thing about the stuff you talk about, and advise to people - and if you do, then you are extremely disingenuous in the advice that you give to people.

 

As things stand, people are more at risk from updating Windows 10, due to modern Microsoft's very much lowered Q&A standards and effort, than they are from vulnerabilities due to not updating Windows 10.

 

And you need to understand this: Windows 10 owners are not employed and paid bug-testers of Microsoft. You, nor Microsoft are entitled to have Windows 10 owners install and run buggy and risky Microsoft updates on their PCs, so that Microsoft can get the telemetry feedback to help them fix what they wouldn't have broken in the first place, had Microsoft not fired most of their testing engineer staff, which they did for the sake of saving money, thinking they could push that responsibility, and all the associated troubles, onto Windows 10 owners. In fact, people should not support such shady and unscrupulous business practices as taking advantage of Windows 10 owners by making them non-volunteered bug-testers. They paid, or agreed to a working product, not to be perpetually non-paid members of Microsoft's work-force.

 

 

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/kindle-crashes-and-broken-powershell-something-isnt-right-with-windows-10-testing/

http://www.infoworld.com/article/3107306/microsoft-windows/microsoft-admits-to-distributing-windows-printing-bugs-in-kb-3177725-and-kb-3176493.html

https://redmondmag.com/articles/2016/06/16/june-patch-breaks-group-policy-settings.aspx

http://windowsreport.com/partition-disappears-windows-10-anniversary-update/

http://superuser.com/questions/1022063/windows-10-default-programs-keep-changing

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/16-windows-10-anniversary-update-issues-fix/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/08/15/microsoft-warns-windows-10-anniversary-update-crashes-problems/

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/717115/Windows-10-Anniversary-Update-Install-Problems-Fail

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/76719/microsoft-broken-millions-webcams-windows-10-anniversary-update

 

 

8 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Please don't. It just makes me so angry when people do this.

 

Dude...

21 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

how about you keep your fucking mouth shut. I tell you what I want and not.

 

... and so does everyone else.

 

 

 

 

The best way for people to prevent Windows 10's automatic updates is through the Edit Group Policy application. It provides all the same options that Windows 7 has, to choose how updates are searched for, downloaded, and installed. Unfortunately, the Edit Group Policy application is only available in Pro, Education, and Enterprise versions of Windows 10.

 

[patrick3027]

That's a good one M$, 75% of your users on WP8.1 and then telling us you have very little fragmentation.

[Cryptonite]

2 hours ago, ARikozuM said:

Companies can defer updates for as long as they'd like. If an IT department doesn't have the knowledge, that's on them and not on Microsoft. It's not too difficult to test an update on two test machines before remotely updating all systems. 

I have to agree with this.  Businesses have programs and machines that run 24/7 and having them update inside of their usage would be crippling. Microsoft has placed the appropriate measures for deference and scheduling. After that it is up to IT to ensure that things are sound and well-kept.

please do go on about how small companies have IT departments and how home businesses afford IT guys to do everything for them. Please don't be foolish, that's like saying if you drive a car it is inconceivable to not have your own personal driver. which is bullshit.

[dfsdfgfkjsefoiqzemnd]

5 hours ago, Fetzie said:

Businesses should have an domain set up with update distribution via the internal update distribution and not via the online service.

 

That way they can audit updates before they are deployed to the machines in the domain instead of having the update schedule decided by Microsoft.

 

If any Windows updates happen in an enterprise environment without a system administrator acting, it isn't Microsofts fault.

That's all nice if the business is large enough to warrant a proper IT department.

 

At work (a cleaning firm) we have roughly 70 staff, with 4 people for administration.  We have 5 laptops in use, 3 of which are on Win10, an old one on Win7 and one on Linux Mint. 

You just can't justify setting up a domain and spending hours on testing updates for 4 Windows machines.  Upgrading the Win7 one to Win10 isn't doable either and replacing it with a modern Win10 laptop is just a waste of money because it's only used for scanning documents and printing labels and such.

So we have little option but to take our chances and hope that MS doesn't mess up.

 

[Fetzie]

12 minutes ago, Captain Chaos said:

That's all nice if the business is large enough to warrant a proper IT department.

 

At work (a cleaning firm) we have roughly 70 staff, with 4 people for administration.  We have 5 laptops in use, 3 of which are on Win10, an old one on Win7 and one on Linux Mint. 

You just can't justify setting up a domain and spending hours on testing updates for 4 Windows machines.  Upgrading the Win7 one to Win10 isn't doable either and replacing it with a modern Win10 laptop is just a waste of money because it's only used for scanning documents and printing labels and such.

So we have little option but to take our chances and hope that MS doesn't mess up.

 

The Windows 10 laptops should at least have Windows 10 Pro on them though. Setting the group policy to ask before downloading updates takes about thirty seconds to configure.

[Cryptonite]

Just now, Fetzie said:

The Windows 10 laptops should at least have Windows 10 Pro on them though. Setting the group policy to ask before downloading updates takes about thirty seconds to configure.

Why should they? it's a small company, they just buy whatever is on sale because it is supposed to be that easy. win 10 complicated that. don't get me wrong, I recommend win 10 to everyone I know it's just that their update scheme is shit.

[Fetzie]

5 minutes ago, Cryptonite said:

Why should they? it's a small company, they just buy whatever is on sale because it is supposed to be that easy. win 10 complicated that. don't get me wrong, I recommend win 10 to everyone I know it's just that their update scheme is shit.

It's what, 200 dollars for the Pro update from home for the three Win10 laptops? That will, in the grand scheme of things, not really make a difference at all financially, and the lower downtime from possible spontaneous restarts ((thus potentially losing work time) would make it a worthwhile investment. Then they don't have to worry about Windows Updates breaking things.

[Cryptonite]

Just now, Fetzie said:

200 dollars for the Pro update from home for the three Win10 laptops will, in the grand scheme of things, not really make a difference at all, and the lower downtime from possible spontaneous restarts ((thus potentially losing work time) would make it a worthwhile investment.

understood for the US, however third world countries really don't just pay $200 and $200 can do a load more here that it can in the US (non tech related stuff such as food, supplies etc.) and investing into the laptop and then having to invest even more right off the bat? that sounds a bit ludicrous and people who are not tech savvy will fail to comprehend that and that's where the problem lies. Microshit isn't focusing on the average consumer anymore, in fact they are relying on their stupidity to make their shares climb by showing off numbers such as these on this stupid topic.

 

I'm finished since this debate will go nowhere.

 

also just a side note: Captain chaos might be tech savvy enough to set up group policy, but what if the company doesn't have someone like that? Don't try and be smart. Windows is bullshiting a lot of people and barnacules nerdgasm who used to work for them feels the same way. 

[cesrai]

So 

2 hours ago, Delicieuxz said:

 

Man, you are just one big example of arrogance, bad advice, and hypocrisy. And you don't know a thing about the stuff you talk about, and advise to people - and if you do, then you are extremely disingenuous in the advice that you give to people.

 

 

 

The roast !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

[ARikozuM]

3 hours ago, Cryptonite said:

please do go on about how small companies have IT departments and how home businesses afford IT guys to do everything for them. Please don't be foolish, that's like saying if you drive a car it is inconceivable to not have your own personal driver. which is bullshit.

There are a lot of IT companies that cater to small businesses, such as All Point POS (in my area). Not having one and thinking you don't need one are two distinct matters.

 

3 hours ago, Cryptonite said:

Why should they? it's a small company, they just buy whatever is on sale because it is supposed to be that easy. win 10 complicated that. don't get me wrong, I recommend win 10 to everyone I know it's just that their update scheme is shit.

Windows 10 Pro is only $30 extra. Why would you think Home is acceptable for a small/medium business (and not a mom/pop store that would probably be better off with a POS register)?

[pk-man]

ahh yes.. the forced auto update and removing user options.

 

The main reason why I'm staying with win7.