Microsoft reports very little fragmentation of Windows 10 - Over 75% of users on the latest version.

[cesrai]

1 hour ago, Delicieuxz said:

Dude, I am not spreading false information. But you're a shill, who tells people non-beneficial information, such as that people should use Windows Store, when buying a UWP program is basically equivalent to renting a game or program, because, due to UWP restrictions, any program with UWP will eventually become non-accessible. So, in the long-term view, buying a UWP program from Windows Store is kind of like throwing money and property away. Who would advise anyone to do such, other than a shill? I think that such a recommendation is not in the best interests of people, and is not respecting their money and where they invest it. To be honest, I see such advice as preying on people seeking help, and taking them for suckers to be exploited, and I wonder what motivation someone has to do that?

 

Anyway, it's a matter of clumsy hypocrisy that you didn't catch the point of the post you responded to, and the . The point that post was making is that the arguments which you, and the other people referenced in the post that upset you, have said in this thread (about people not knowing what they want, or what's best for their PC), are equivalent to me, or anyone else, saying the things in the post you reacted to, and attributing them to you people - and that it's not acceptable.

 

That post was meant to be obvious sarcasm to make the point that you people don't have a right to make similar personal-choice-overriding calls for other people, the way some of you are trying to in this thread. And by your upset reaction, you have proven your own conduct to be very unacceptable to your own self, when directed at you, against your wishes, rather than when it's from coming from Microsoft and forced upon other people, or coming from yourself and imposed upon some general concept of people.

 

You can answer all of these:

 

... with this:

BTW:

Be careful you are dealing with AL here .

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OT: MS forces updates down people throats so that's expected. It's just like windows is turning into malware.

[vanished]

Gonna be honest, I assumed this was about disk fragmentation  

 

I can understand people not upgrading to Windows 10, there are always those people, but of the ones who have it, I do not understand why they would not all be up to date...

[Doobeedoo]

1 hour ago, bobhays said:

People aren't "not happy" with the little fragmentation. We are not happy with the reason behind it (forced updates).

Yeah ok, sure they could've executed that more better indeed. Though you can set them when to update and all. It's just I don't get those that like almost never update, specially security updates, or not for some longer time.

[cesrai]

1 hour ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Gonna be honest, I assumed this was about disk fragmentation  

 

I can understand people not upgrading to Windows 10, there are always those people, but of the ones who have it, I do not understand why they would not all be up to date...

1. Updates breaks things.

2. You don't wanna download updates that are big and take of your data ( especially if you hate a data cap )

3. You don't update to take space from your disk ( having a small SSD )

[ARikozuM]

1 hour ago, Delicieuxz said:

The comment about UWP was referencing only AT's general conduct and opinion expressed elsewhere. And I wasn't putting words in your mouth, other than as an overtly-sarcastic reflective impression, for the sake of making the point that it shouldn't be done to other people, such as by saying that people don't know what's good for their own PC and that forced updates are best for people.

 

Looking back in the thread, I see that you didn't really make such a comment, though the others I referenced did, and I've now quoted those comments in my above post. Apologies to you.

 

However, your reaction also helps in emphasizing that having your personal say be disregarded and over-ridden is a universal offence, and doesn't reflect your actual interest, no matter who might make the claim that it's in your interest. Taking away your control over things that pertain specifically to you is never done to be in your interest.

First, I wasn't sure if you were speaking of me or someone else, my apologies.

 

Second, I'm a firm proponent for having systems that are up-to-date, which is best for the community as a whole, as long as issues (for the individual) be allowed to be reverted. That said, I don't disagree with Microsoft's decision to force updates as long as there are measures in place to ensure that they don't occur at inopportune times (such as when in a conference, which happened to a "tech-savvy" colleague of mine hilariously enough ). I do believe that the 12-hour working time is good enough for most users as they can also delay for an additional hour or so before the install proceeds and effectively takes precedence (b/c f#ck your conference!).

[Cryptonite]

11 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

But nobody would update if it didn't force you. And unless somebody comes up with an idea which fixes that, you'll get used to this.

that's a pathetic argument really, people might have reasons to not want to update. however I just disable windows updates altogether. that said I am on anniversary edition on my current rig while leaving my other rig at 1511.

 

The problem with windows forcing the update is that loads of people use mobile data for their computers and unless a techy sets it up for them they are too ill-informed or too stupid to do it themselves which in turn costs them money and headache because of the auto restart bull that windows sometimes just forces. My clients complain about it every single day, I disable win updates on a regular basis because of that.

 

Edit: also updates tend to break things on certain laptops etc. I get lots of clients getting the pc to not boot past the loading screen after an update occurred. The Third world also only has crappy 4 mbps - 10 mbps (in cities) lines which sucks arse

[Cryptonite]

1 hour ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Gonna be honest, I assumed this was about disk fragmentation  

 

I can understand people not upgrading to Windows 10, there are always those people, but of the ones who have it, I do not understand why they would not all be up to date...

 

31 minutes ago, cesrai said:

1. Updates breaks things.

2. You don't wanna download updates that are big and take of your data ( especially if you hate a data cap )

3. You don't update to take space from your disk ( having a small SSD )

This and the fact that every time you update Cortana is back up and running, windows just stupidly removes programs it thinks is incompatible with the new build (eventhough lots of the programs removed work great after installing the damn same version again) Windows restarts after less than a day after an update is installed and for people running diagnostics overnight / weekends or doing major uploads on crappy 512 kbps upload speeds without an option to resume the update can get pretty pissed off pretty quick. 

[TheKDub]

No surprise to me seeing how they are forcing updates on people. I'm sure the few that are on an older version are all windows 10 non-home edition users where they can actually stop some updates from happening..

[bobhays]

57 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

Yeah ok, sure they could've executed that more better indeed. Though you can set them when to update and all. It's just I don't get those that like almost never update, specially security updates, or not for some longer time.

Usually the only time I want to update is if there is a major security issue, or a feature that I want. Other than that, I feel no need to update. Which for windows is usually never. I don't mind updating either though as long as it only happens when I turn off my computer. If my computer is on DON'T TURN IT OFF! This would solve the problem for all the casual people who ignore it, and not interrupting work flow.

[Doobeedoo]

2 minutes ago, bobhays said:

Usually the only time I want to update is if there is a major security issue, or a feature that I want. Other than that, I feel no need to update. Which for windows is usually never. I don't mind updating either though as long as it only happens when I turn off my computer. If my computer is on DON'T TURN IT OFF! This would solve the problem for all the casual people who ignore it, and not interrupting work flow.

Well security and stability performance update are a must on my list though. 
I've seen so many complain about auto updates yet they have it enabled and don't change anything in setting but complain.

[Magnetorheological]

1 hour ago, cesrai said:

1. Updates breaks things.

2. You don't wanna download updates that are big and take of your data ( especially if you hate a data cap )

3. You don't update to take space from your disk ( having a small SSD )

This. I recall reading quite a few reports of the auto-updates updating company computers and causing a lot of problems at quite a few companies.

 

Also on a personal level, my laptop's been wonky after a couple of the forced updates, blue screening where it wouldn't before.

Couldn't avoid them either, the updater would wake my computer and I can't turn it off in the task scheduler without restarting and updating it.

[bobhays]

4 minutes ago, Doobeedoo said:

Well security and stability performance update are a must on my list though. 
I've seen so many complain about auto updates yet they have it enabled and don't change anything in setting but complain.

I believe for the home edition you can't turn it off, but this is also for the average user. They aren't going to think about windows updates until it actually updates and interrupts things.

 

Sometimes windows will say Updating in 15 minutes. It only gives me a 15 minute warning before it's going to restart the computer. I have to go use CMD to reset the timer. No average user is going to know how to do that, even I didn't know how to do it until googling it.

[Doobeedoo]

1 minute ago, bobhays said:

I believe for the home edition you can't turn it off, but this is also for the average user. They aren't going to think about windows updates until it actually updates and interrupts things.

 

Sometimes windows will say Updating in 15 minutes. It only gives me a 15 minute warning before it's going to restart the computer. I have to go use CMD to reset the timer. No average user is going to know how to do that, even I didn't know how to do it until googling it.

You can schedule it so I guess if it happens to someone once I'm sure that person would make a schedule when the update process happens.

[bobhays]

Just now, Doobeedoo said:

You can schedule it so I guess if it happens to someone once I'm sure that person would make a schedule when the update process happens.

Again, we are talking about the typical home user. They won't know how to do that or if that's even possible.

[ARikozuM]

1 minute ago, bobhays said:

Again, we are talking about the typical home user. They won't know how to do that or if that's even possible.

It will give you the option to adjust the working hours. If the user doesn't see it, that's mostly on them, not the OS or system builder.

[Cryptonite]

1 minute ago, Doobeedoo said:

You can schedule it so I guess if it happens to someone once I'm sure that person would make a schedule when the update process happens.

and even if you do schedule it, what if you needed the computer to be on and running in that entire time-frame?

[Doobeedoo]

2 minutes ago, bobhays said:

Again, we are talking about the typical home user. They won't know how to do that or if that's even possible.

But oh well, some of those will probably search about it and learn something new 

I'm interested to see what MS will say and do as far as updates on next live event they'll have.

[bobhays]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

It will give you the option to adjust the working hours. If the user doesn't see it, that's mostly on them, not the OS or system builder.

I don't know about you but I get pop-ups like this

[Doobeedoo]

2 minutes ago, Cryptonite said:

and even if you do schedule it, what if you needed the computer to be on and running in that entire time-frame?

Like what? For days and so on?

[Cryptonite]

Just now, Doobeedoo said:

Like what? For days and so on?

actually when the updates have already downloaded (since they can only be postponed for so long) you only get around 19 hours or so as a timeframe to delay the update from installing which in the cases of having to upload large files, doing system hard drive retrievals (timeframe, work cannot just wait it out) basically anything that takes hours to do like cloning a hard drive for a client etc. Windows gives a rats ass about any of it, it just wants its updates on your system. scroll up for more insight on my thoughts. 

[Doobeedoo]

3 minutes ago, Cryptonite said:

actually when the updates have already downloaded (since they can only be postponed for so long) you only get around 19 hours or so as a timeframe to delay the update from installing which in the cases of having to upload large files, doing system hard drive retrievals (timeframe, work cannot just wait it out) basically anything that takes hours to do like cloning a hard drive for a client etc. Windows gives a rats ass about any of it, it just wants its updates on your system. scroll up for more insight on my thoughts. 

Right. Though not sure how much is for each version of Windows but I'm sure there's a way to not update for way longer than that.

[Cryptonite]

Just now, Doobeedoo said:

Right. Though not sure how much is for each version of Windows but I'm sure there's a way to not update for way longer than that.

yes, there is. but windows hates us for doing it. it's called disabling the windows update service.

[Doobeedoo]

2 minutes ago, Cryptonite said:

yes, there is. but windows hates us for doing it. it's called disabling the windows update service.

And I think Enterprise edition can have it for months I think.

[ARikozuM]

12 minutes ago, bobhays said:

I don't know about you but I get pop-ups like this

If you look at the bottom-right, the Guide (or Notification, as I think it's officially labelled) shows the update and allows you to change the working hours by pressing the second option.

[Cryptonite]

Just now, Doobeedoo said:

And I think Enterprise edition can have it for months I think.

The average user does not have Enterprise now do they? especially not with the clever "free update" microsoft gave everyone.