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What killed VR?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Buy Gear VR on Amazon: http://geni.us/UiB0GB

 

Has the diminished experience of mobile VR killed its bigger brother on the PC? Is cost the only factor affecting purchasing decisions? The answer may not be so simple...

 

 


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"Hey that thing that came out a year ago isn't in everyones living room yet."

 

"Oh shit, I guess VR is dead"

 

"Yeah. Not like its an emerging technology with a high upfront cost for both the users and developers. Must be dead"

 

RIP Virtual Reality. 2015-2016

 

 

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3 minutes ago, BlargKing said:

"Yeah. Not like its an emerging technology with a high upfront cost for both the users and developers. Must be dead"

Actually that's exactly why it's dead (according to Linus before any dimwits come here to argue with me about it) it should have gained some sort of traction by now otherwise not enough support might be forthcoming and no more units will move cause of the lack of support and it's basically a non-starter.

 


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And this was launched a week ago on vessel.

Hardly could say that VR is dead... Kind of a "click baity" title/video there guys, what are you doing?

though I guess a video called "Why VR adoption is slow" would get less attention.


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Don't start claiming it's dead before it actually is, you'll just spread the word and people will share it and start to believe it. It's far from dead. Clickbait incorrect title that is going to spread a notion that may legitimately harm the product. Adoption is slow, but it's far from dead.

 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
4 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Actually that's exactly why it's dead (according to Linus before any dimwits come here to argue with me about it) it should have gained some sort of traction by now otherwise not enough support might be forthcoming and no more units will move cause of the lack of support and it's basically a non-starter.

 

As much as people don't want to believe it, there's actually a lot of accuracy to that argument.

 

If high-end investors see this as a failure due to the abysmal start, scaling will be difficult for headset makers as it may become difficult to secure an increased level of investment and therefore costs may take YEARS to drop (due to an inability to reach an "economies of scale" level of production), compounding the problem.


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I don't think VR is dead, just unconcious. Until we get cheaper desktop headsets and cheaper VR ready PCs, it's a no-go for Joe Average.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, ThinkWithPortals said:

I don't think VR is dead, just unconcious. Until we get cheaper desktop headsets and cheaper VR ready PCs, it's a no-go for Joe Average.

Right - but that's a massive issue. It will take much longer to see a decrease in costs with the abysmal market right now. All smart investors will be looking at mobile VR as the "success." That's a massive issue for anyone that hopes to have a desktop VR headset at a reasonable price within the next 5 years.


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Just now, nicklmg said:

Right - but that's a massive issue. It will take much longer to see a decrease in costs with the abysmal market right now. All smart investors will be looking at mobile VR as the "success." That's a massive issue for anyone that hopes to have a desktop VR headset at a reasonable price within the next 5 years.

Indeed. Need cheaper desktop VR, but no-one's interested or investing, so no cheaper desktop VR gets made, so still no-one's interested, so still no cheaper desktop VR... vicious cycle.


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I would like to see what happens with Daydream VR. PS4 VR is also something that might be appealing to console users (I can see why).

 

What we really need is something that is within the 300-400 USD range. Tech will have to evolve a little as well. (OK, a lot) I don't see VR as failed, just more like 4K in the sense that it will take a while to catch on and become more practice for more people.


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Yeah, I also believe it's mony. Well, that's the reason I don't have it yet xD

I am currently saving for an PS4 Pro and a PS VR. I will have to wait for spring until I can afford it ^^

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1 minute ago, TheGhzGuy said:

I would like to see what happens with Daydream VR. PS4 VR is also something that might be appealing to console users (I can see why).

 

What we really need is something that is within the 300-400 USD range. Tech will have to evolve a little as well. (OK, a lot) I don't see VR as failed, just more like 4K in the sense that it will take a while to catch on and become more practice for more people.

Tried PSVR this morning.
 

In my opinion it's lightyears away from desktop VR. Tracking is pretty bad, no focus on the lenses (lots of headset adjustment which is great as the headset is fairly comfortable), obstruction is a MASSIVE problem as there is only one sensing camera.

PSVR will sell because of AAA titles and familiar characters, but even that may have a negative effect on desktop VR sales as it's much more accessible and many people have the potential to equate the experiences as "equal."


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1 minute ago, nicklmg said:

Tried PSVR this morning.
 

In my opinion it's lightyears away from desktop VR. Tracking is pretty bad, no focus on the lenses (lots of headset adjustment which is great as the headset is fairly comfortable), obstruction is a MASSIVE problem as there is only one sensing camera.

PSVR will sell because of AAA titles and familiar characters, but even that may have a negative effect on desktop VR sales as it's much more accessible and many people have the potential to equate the experiences as "equal."

I haven't been able to try anything other than Google Cardboard, unfortunately.

 

I'll take your word for it. That's really unfortunate that something that had such potential seems to have flopped. 

 

Now the question becomes "Who builds the cheap headset?" Maybe the first step in that should be hacking the Vive software/firmware and building something that works almost as well for a lower price. I'm not sure this would accomplish anything, but it would be a fun project.


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VR will probably just keep coming in and out of the market until the end of time, each phase better but lacking something important. For me it's the games this time. None of them appeal to me, the only good VR games are the normal AAA titles that you have to emulate. Sure Job Simulator looks fun to mess around with but it doesn't justify the cost of everything.

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$1600?? are you joking? This is a straight up lie. Luke, you of all people care about the future of VR and then you go and say this shit? This is the price of a VR capable desktop.

 

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/Mw3Jyf - $601

Oculus - $600

Thats a whopping $1200!!!!

 

He "guessed" or "made up" a number that sounded good for a VR capable desktop. You're talking about "what killed VR" it's blatant disregard for the actual facts, this video included. You are just adding to the pile of crap that scares people away. Yeah 1200 is a lot but it's not 1600 like he said. An exaggerated number for sure. wtf man. Way to go... *Also it's only $200 more than a gear VR 2016 and a new samsung phone. Not bad.

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VR is still in it's infancy at less than 8 months into consumer release, price will come down. Seriously Luke, settle down with your click baity title, this video has no substance, like desktop VR, but content should be coming, a lot of VR games are being made by indies with limited funding and staff. You know this, I know this, the whole VR community knows this. Don't just jump to conclusions for views. I thought LTT was striving to be a credible source of tech knowledge. Might as well quit creating reviews and focus on making CSF into a no effort let's play channel if quick cash is all you're looking for now.

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1 hour ago, Sakkura said:

The only thing killing VR is premature claims that it's dead.

Agree 100%. Click bait title 


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1 hour ago, Sakkura said:

The only thing killing VR is premature claims that it's dead.

THANK YOU, i still think its awesome. its expensive as all hell but that will come down in a few generations hopefully. VR is really cool


I spent $2500 on building my PC and all i do with it is play no games atm & watch anime at 1080p(finally)...

Builds:

The Toaster Project! Northern Bee!

 

The original LAN PC build log! (Old, dead and replaced by The Toaster Project & 5.0)

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"Here is some advice that might have gotten lost somewhere along the way in your life. 

 

#1. Treat others as you would like to be treated.

#2. It's best to keep your mouth shut; and appear to be stupid, rather than open it and remove all doubt.

#3. There is nothing "wrong" with being wrong. Learning from a mistake can be more valuable than not making one in the first place.

 

Follow these simple rules in life, and I promise you, things magically get easier. " - MageTank 31-10-2016

 

 

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Paradox Interactive's CEO pointed out a very good point a while ago. So far, VR companies seems to focus on winning the VR war instead of trying to meet some form of end-user demand. Plus, at the current VR prices, I don't see VR become mainstream anytime soon.

 

 

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Until the headsets are the size of a pair of sunglasses and don't require bulky cables then they can have the assembly lines feed straight into a landfill as far as I care.

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