1060 3GB or 480 4GB

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1 minute ago, Clanscorpia said:

Thats not how it works lol. 1060 has less of everything compared to 970 and it destroys it. Im contacting someone about a 980 right now

thats because its clocked much higher. The 1060 however is restricted by memory bandwidth. Your performance gain from overclocking vram on 1060 is linear to the increase in vram bandwidth.

[Clanscorpia]

8 minutes ago, System Error Message said:

thats because its clocked much higher. The 1060 however is restricted by memory bandwidth. Your performance gain from overclocking vram on 1060 is linear to the increase in vram bandwidth.

No, I mean like just because some stuff is better doesnt mean it will perform better 

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11 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

No, I mean like just because some stuff is better doesnt mean it will perform better 

Well i was comparing the 480 rather than the 970. The pascal is a better architecture than the previous one. Each architecture is optimised more towards something. When kepler came out it did better than fermi because the architecture was optimised for graphics while fermi was optimised for compute as if you put the 2 together ( clocks per shader, etc) fermi might be good but for games kepler did better for graphics.

 

GCN is actually more compute orientated thats why AMD hasnt been that great for graphics but overall the card still is good. Personally i find the top of the line to be better down in a long line compared to midrange. I remember comparing my gtx 580 to my friend's gtx 560. Not only could i get lots more performance out of it but i could run it cooler too. Both were asus directCUII versions but i could overclock mine much further and gained way more fps. With AMD only their top of the line matter as in the past all their lower end cards had features not included but not sure this is the case anymore. With nvidia their entire line all share the same capabilities and features. Wikipedia has a chart of GPU specs that explains this.

 

Compute orientated cards tend to be better on the long term rather than short term.

[Clanscorpia]

1 minute ago, System Error Message said:

Well i was comparing the 480 rather than the 970. The pascal is a better architecture than the previous one. Each architecture is optimised more towards something. When kepler came out it did better than fermi because the architecture was optimised for graphics while fermi was optimised for compute as if you put the 2 together ( clocks per shader, etc) fermi might be good but for games kepler did better for graphics.

 

GCN is actually more compute orientated thats why AMD hasnt been that great for graphics but overall the card still is good. Personally i find the top of the line to be better down in a long line compared to midrange. I remember comparing my gtx 580 to my friend's gtx 560. Not only could i get lots more performance out of it but i could run it cooler too. Both were asus directCUII versions but i could overclock mine much further and gained way more fps. With AMD only their top of the line matter as in the past all their lower end cards had features not included but not sure this is the case anymore. With nvidia their entire line all share the same capabilities and features. Wikipedia has a chart of GPU specs that explains this.

 

Compute orientated cards tend to be better on the long term rather than short term.

Umm AMD is great for graphics dude, what the hell are you saying? And Nvidia sure has features all the way but half the stuff doesnt get used on the lower end cards

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Just now, Clanscorpia said:

Umm AMD is great for graphics dude, what the hell are you saying? And Nvidia sure has features all the way but half the stuff doesnt get used on the lower end cards

True alot of the features dont get used. For example the ability to use double FP on the card, this was one feature AMD never included in their midrange or lower (for example the HD 79xx had double FP, the 78xx and below dont unless its a rebrand of the high end of a previous gen).

 

When you say better for graphics well thats one that can be argued. Whichever card is faster always changes as both brands actually are different on the shader level so it really depends on the maths the games use. I remember though an article showing that AMD was always better at AF in both performance and looks but in some areas nvidia are better. When it comes to luxmark however for the rendering it does, AMD is way faster than nvidia by a huge magnitude. Its no wonder it doesnt get used in official benchmarks.

 

Personally im using AMD mainly because of the 8GB vram for cheaper and for coding. Features like freesync which is cheaper than nvidia's Gsync is nice. I prefer not to be restricted or limited. I even bought another HD 7970 for the double FP to stuff into a server.

 

Different algorithms favour different cards. you should see how efficient each intel gpu shader/core is at luxmark compared to an AMD gpu shader/core clock per clock, shader per shader.

[Cryptonite]

5 minutes ago, System Error Message said:

Well i was comparing the 480 rather than the 970. The pascal is a better architecture than the previous one. Each architecture is optimised more towards something. When kepler came out it did better than fermi because the architecture was optimised for graphics while fermi was optimised for compute as if you put the 2 together ( clocks per shader, etc) fermi might be good but for games kepler did better for graphics.

 

GCN is actually more compute orientated thats why AMD hasnt been that great for graphics but overall the card still is good. Personally i find the top of the line to be better down in a long line compared to midrange. I remember comparing my gtx 580 to my friend's gtx 560. Not only could i get lots more performance out of it but i could run it cooler too. Both were asus directCUII versions but i could overclock mine much further and gained way more fps. With AMD only their top of the line matter as in the past all their lower end cards had features not included but not sure this is the case anymore. With nvidia their entire line all share the same capabilities and features. Wikipedia has a chart of GPU specs that explains this.

 

Compute orientated cards tend to be better on the long term rather than short term.

What he meant was you cannot directly compare the two on paper and decide which is better. AMD and Nvidia both have different architecture and ways of doing things, stream processors / cuda cores for example. you can't go and say 1 stream processor = 1 cuda core. anyhow.

AMD's GPUs look just as good as Nvidia GPUs on the same settings in particular games (and if you link ashes of the singularity, I swear) 

3 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

Umm AMD is great for graphics dude, what the hell are you saying? And Nvidia sure has features all the way but half the stuff doesnt get used on the lower end cards

Got any luck on that 980?

[Clanscorpia]

1 minute ago, Cryptonite said:

What he meant was you cannot directly compare the two on paper and decide which is better. AMD and Nvidia both have different architecture and ways of doing things, stream processors / cuda cores for example. you can't go and say 1 stream processor = 1 cuda core. anyhow.

AMD's GPUs look just as good as Nvidia GPUs on the same settings in particular games (and if you link ashes of the singularity, I swear) 

Got any luck on that 980?

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[Cryptonite]

3 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

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Good luck, I'm really enjoying my 980 still for 1080p gaming I don't even think I just crank up the settings and go. (aside from GTA V advanced graphics since that would upscale to 4k)

 

Edit: also I know my signature says 980 Ti, I have a 980 in my second rig that I take to work every day.

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As far as not comparing stream processors or cuda cores the other stuff on the card itself matters, and this is why between the 1060 and 480 the 480 is better. ROP count, texture units, memory bandwidth, memory amount which is why i said overall the AMD card is better even though the 1060 beats in it dx11. Down the line all those extra units will start to matter more.

[Miguel Batista]

39 minutes ago, System Error Message said:

As far as not comparing stream processors or cuda cores the other stuff on the card itself matters, and this is why between the 1060 and 480 the 480 is better. ROP count, texture units, memory bandwidth, memory amount which is why i said overall the AMD card is better even though the 1060 beats in it dx11. Down the line all those extra units will start to matter more.

And the good versions of the 480 already close the gap to the 1060 on dx11. With further driver improvements, we could see the RX 480 surpass the 1060 in a not so distant future.

[PocketNerd]

The difference between a RX480 4GB and 8GB is literally $10 right now on Newegg... might as well get the 8GB

[Clanscorpia]

11 minutes ago, PocketNerd said:

The difference between a RX480 4GB and 8GB is literally $10 right now on Newegg... might as well get the 8GB

I Live in canada. Prices are screwed up here eh? 

[PocketNerd]

1 hour ago, Clanscorpia said:

I Live in canada. Prices are screwed up here eh? 

Yeeeep, so do I

[Clanscorpia]

Just now, PocketNerd said:

Yeeeep, so do I

Link!?

[PocketNerd]

1 minute ago, Clanscorpia said:

Link!?

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007708 601203793

To be 100% accurate, the difference between the top 4GB and low 8GB is about $10

 

[Clanscorpia]

1 minute ago, PocketNerd said:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007708 601203793

To be 100% accurate, the difference between the top 4GB and low 8GB is about $10

 

Thats a big difference mate

[YongKang]

Have I answered to this? Read my article!!!!!!

But, I need to ask you, what games are you going to play and 60Hz or 144Hz?

[Clanscorpia]

1 minute ago, YongKang said:

Have I answered to this? Read my article!!!!!!

But, I need to ask you, what games are you going to play and 60Hz or 144Hz?

60hz. And heavily modded skyrim, BF1, Overwatch, Space Engineers, Far Cry 4

[YongKang]

Just now, Clanscorpia said:

60hz. And heavily modded skyrim, BF1, Overwatch, Space Engineers, Far Cry 4

RX470 4GB would not break your bank but pretty much max everything out or 8GB if it's cheap.

RX480 if you really want to MAX EVERYTHING AND TURN THE AA ON.

Don't ever get the 1060 3Gb. Not a good buy.

[Clanscorpia]

Just now, YongKang said:

RX470 4GB would not break your bank but pretty much max everything out or 8GB if it's cheap.

RX480 if you really want to MAX EVERYTHING AND TURN THE AA ON.

Don't ever get the 1060 3Gb. Not a good buy.

If I dont get the 980 I bid on Ill get the 470 then

[YongKang]

Just now, Clanscorpia said:

If I dont get the 980 I bid on Ill get the 470 then

How much for the 980?

[Clanscorpia]

Just now, YongKang said:

How much for the 980?

Trying to get is for $340

[YongKang]

7 minutes ago, Clanscorpia said:

Trying to get is for $340

Give me the website and I gonna bum the price up.

Just kidding. I'm waiting on the RX485 or the RX490.

[Hunter-97-G]

4 hours ago, Clanscorpia said:

Trying to get is for $340

How about this one mate?

 

https://www.amazon.ca/PNY-GeForce-1060-Graphics-Card/dp/B01IR5MR32/ref=sr_1_31?ie=UTF8&qid=1476860495&sr=8-31&keywords=RX+480

[Clanscorpia]

4 hours ago, Hunter-97-G said:

How about this one mate?

 

https://www.amazon.ca/PNY-GeForce-1060-Graphics-Card/dp/B01IR5MR32/ref=sr_1_31?ie=UTF8&qid=1476860495&sr=8-31&keywords=RX+480

Oh wow thanks a ton! I wonder if I could mod a better cooler on it