Star Citizen Single-Player Delayed Indefinitely

[patrickjp93]

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/237434-star-citizen-single-player-delayed-indefinitely

 

Cloud Imperium Games, makers of the sprawling, controversial, and long-delayed space simulator/FPS shooter/single-player space combat title known as Star Citizen, announced the game’s single-player campaign, Squadron 42, will be delayed indefinitely. The reason is simple: With so much left undone, there are huge chunks of the single-player campaign yet unfinished. CIG had originally promised Squadron 42 would ship in 2016, but it’s now clear there’s no way that could happen. The fact that the company has yet to announce a new shipping date isn’t particularly promising, either.

 

 

I and many others have been warning you from the beginning. This is a Ponzi Scheme. Stop giving away your money on a project they do not have any intention of finishing! They are taking it in while not increasing staff. It's OBVIOUS!

[AlwaysFSX]

Wooooow. What a surprise. /s

[2FA]

Expects a huge game to come out in 3 years while the industry average is 5 years for experienced developers. Toppest of the keks.

[AlwaysFSX]

Just now, DeadEyePsycho said:

Expects a huge game to come out in 3 years while the industry average is 5 years for experienced developers. Toppest of the keks.

Development started in 2012, don't act like this is normal development schedule. The game was waaaaaaaay over promised and waaaaay under delivered. This is something that'll take 50 years to finish.

 

It was a load of horseshit from the beginning and it's a load of horseshit now.

[Centurius]

4 minutes ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

Expects a huge game to come out in 3 years while the industry average is 5 years for experienced developers. Toppest of the keks.

That would be 4 years, at which point "indefinite" isn't really acceptable any longer. It also ignores the other points OP made.

[Techicolors]

i'm surprised they promised a date for the single player in the first place. thought chris roberts didn't like putting dates 

[ThreePinkApples]

I don't expect the game before 2018 at the earliest really, so no surprise here. It's a massive game, and although they are using CryEngine, they've heavly modified it, so I guess they've basically wrote their own engine at the same time. This stuff takes time. 

[2FA]

4 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Development started in 2012, don't act like this is normal development schedule. The game was waaaaaaaay over promised and waaaaay under delivered. This is something that'll take 50 years to finish.

 

It was a load of horseshit from the beginning and it's a load of horseshit now.

The game they promised in the kickstarter was a lot less than what they are promising now. It just seems like it is taking forever because you normally don't observe the progress of a game being developed so publicly. It was also the very end of 2012 when it started.

[Avcn42]

They are not hiring new people? Seriously? I take it you didn't watch CitizenCon.

FFS STOP thinking something of this scale, this revolutionary, takes one year or two to develop. Please take a look at what they've achieved.

[2FA]

7 minutes ago, Centurius said:

That would be 4 years, at which point "indefinite" isn't really acceptable any longer. It also ignores the other points OP made.

Star Citizen and Squadron 42 are technically two games that take place in the same universe. A lot of the resources are shared but they are separate.

[AlwaysFSX]

7 minutes ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

The game they promised in the kickstarter was a lot less than what they are promising now. It just seems like it is taking forever because you normally don't observe the progress of a game being developed so publicly. It was also the very end of 2012 when it started.

Of what was promised in when it was started, basically none of it is done. I would be surprised if the game was legitimately finished in the next two decades. It just isn't happening.

7 minutes ago, Andrevcn said:

They are not hiring new people? Seriously? I take it you didn't watch CitizenCon.

FFS STOP thinking something of this scale, this revolutionary, takes one year or two to develop. Please take a look at what they've achieved.

The problem is the game doesn't have a scale. It's a bunch of stuff that will never be finished.

[patrickjp93]

21 minutes ago, Andrevcn said:

They are not hiring new people? Seriously? I take it you didn't watch CitizenCon.

FFS STOP thinking something of this scale, this revolutionary, takes one year or two to develop. Please take a look at what they've achieved.

I've achieved their last 4 months of progress on my own in the same time for a graphics class in Uni. I know how long crap takes. You people are delusional. Actual SEC filings say they haven't hired anyone for 6 months.

[AresKrieger]

Just fail already so we can get on with the hate bashing

[NavyCuda]

I wonder if I can get my money back.  I've long since given up on SC.

[zacRupnow]

Fuck. The single player story was the only part with a chance of releasing.

 

 

RIP Commander Gary Oldman.

[PCBjon]

Lost interest in this game a long time ago, Il pick up interest again whenever they decide to release it but until then...meh.

[BuckGup]

It seems like it would run horribly judging by the demos but then again the giant worm was at 80FPS

[rattacko123]

Well it's certainly a better use of your money compared to mafia III

25 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

I've achieved their last 4 months of progress on my own in the same time for a graphics class in Uni. I know how long crap takes. 

Don't other game studios take just as long to do stuff?

[Revinval]

Hold up. There is real progress being made that is undenyable. It may or may not be finished but that is like any game ever. Development started what 4 years ago with a major change in scale after the first year. Doing some quick comparisons mass effect 4 was announced Nov 2012 it will be releasing q1 of 2017. Assuming the story and some ground work was done at announcement that gives CIG a few months ahead of them at this moment. Take into account the lack of an engine and full sized team. 

 

 

So you can say the game will never be finished but we are still safely in the normal dev. cycle. So I support adding money to it ahead of the value of what is currently out no. But if you are honestly saying nothing is being done you are blind. 

[AlexGoesHigh]

1 hour ago, patrickjp93 said:

They are taking it in while not increasing staff. It's OBVIOUS!

while i am a backer and have been a bit disappointed that it's taken long (but they have a shit ton of excuses though) they have at least proved they are taking as much qualified people they can, i mean for a Ponzi scheme building a 160+ person team in germany seems overly excessive.

 

[ACatWithThumbs]

1 hour ago, patrickjp93 said:

I've achieved their last 4 months of progress on my own in the same time for a graphics class in Uni. I know how long crap takes. You people are delusional. Actual SEC filings say they haven't hired anyone for 6 months.

I highly doubt it.
They've re-written huge chunks of the fps pipeline of Cryengine and the hard coded object system. 
The fps system alone is probably the most complicated in a game to date, they're using a single connected 1st person and 3rd person animation system combined with real time head and eye stabilization.(The only game that does anything similar is Arma 3.)
They've also re-written most of the net code and how the server back end functions, which has been the main performance issue.
That system is also far more complex than most games, as it's using a layered instancing system with different levels of communication between each layer, so that you can have different physics spaces and large distances with huge amounts of data without overloading the client or server like it is the case right now.

On top they've added the procedural system and re-written the lighting and skybox system of Cryengine.
The engine now supports real time atmospheric scattering that will change the sky color composition based on the position of the planet and the sun in the system.
And the sun is now the actual light source and they've also added orbits and planet rotation.

These things alone are massive undertakings and are already far beyond what most games do and it barely scratches the surface of the progress they've made.

And they have been hiring staff you just can't find anything in the SEC fillings, because their US studios are all pretty much fully staffed.
The UK studio is now bigger than the US studio and the Frankfurt studio has been growing in size steadily, they have currently around 50 open position for the 2 EU studios.
The US studios on the other hand have only 5 actual development positions open the rest are all support and QA.

[alphaproject]

Seems like they keep making it bigger and bigger.... sometimes it's not good to be a perfectionist when developing games. Bioshock Infinite took 5 years and that was single player only. Then.... they had the DLC....

[2FA]

25 minutes ago, alphaproject said:

Seems like they keep making it bigger and bigger.... sometimes it's not good to be a perfectionist when developing games. Bioshock Infinite took 5 years and that was single player only. Then.... they had the DLC....

SC had its content size locked in a year ago.

[Delicieuxz]

Star Citizen is one of the most ambitious game projects ever undertaken, and Chris Roberts is motivated out of personal passion rather than business goals, so delays don't surprise me, nor do they really concern me.

 

Obviously, the design goals have increased dramatically since the projects inception, and so the development for SC hasn't been particularly long, for as big a title as it is becoming.

 

4 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

I've achieved their last 4 months of progress on my own in the same time for a graphics class in Uni. I know how long crap takes. You people are delusional. Actual SEC filings say they haven't hired anyone for 6 months.

Please, by all means, show us you project that compares to Star Citizen. Your thinking that you could tell what progress has been made with a project over a certain number of months based on a stage demo that didn't even show off all the systems that they've shown in the past, let alone focus on any systems, or show what progress has been made in each of them, and others, would be delusional, if you actually thought that.

[patrickjp93]

5 minutes ago, Delicieuxz said:

Star Citizen is one of the most ambitious game projects ever undertaken, and Chris Roberts is motivated out of personal passion rather than business goals, so delays don't surprise me, nor do they really concern me.

 

Obviously, the design goals have increased dramatically since the projects inception, and so the development for SC hasn't been particularly long, for as big a title as it is becoming.

 

Please, by all means, show us you project that compares to Star Citizen. Your thinking that you could tell what progress has been made with a project over a certain number of months based on a stage demo that didn't even show off all the systems that they've shown in the past, let alone focus on any systems, or show what progress has been made in each of them, and others, would be delusional, if you actually thought that.

Disassembly and decompilation of executables and dlls is not particularly difficult thanks to the LLVM toolchains. I can see the transformations going on, and they're slowed way down from a year ago.