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Razer Blade Stealth: DOES IT SUCK?

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1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

1 - that is under P95
2 - that is TDP throttling, not thermal throttling

Lol. That's literally the same thing. It got to hot so it throttled back.


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4 minutes ago, Shiv78 said:

Actually, comparing the BS to a MBP is not even close to a fair comparison

  • The Stealth is quite a lot cheaper while coming with a better processor on the lowest end config
  • The stealth is thinner than the MacBook Air and much thinner and lighter than an MBP
  • Stealth can have a 4K TOUCHSCREEN unlike MBs which Apple still refuses to make touchscreen
  • Windows is less power efficient than Mac OS, just like iOS is more frugal than Android

Excuse me? Care to stop lying?
- OSX is FAR more efficient thatn WIndows - believe me, I HAVE done my fair share of testing. I misread
- the 4K touchscreen is USELESS - scaling issues make the display unusable at native 4K


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1 minute ago, Hunter259 said:

Lol. That's literally the same thing. It got to hot so it throttled back.

No? TDP throttling means it throttles due to power limits imposed by Intel, NOT temperature.


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Just now, Shiv78 said:

...I said that

 

Yeah... I noticed. Sorry.


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1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

No? TDP throttling means it throttles due to power limits imposed by Intel, NOT temperature.

And power limits include a thermal throttling temp target just like very chip built in the last 10 years. Whats your next excuse for it getting hot? The 13 runs just as hot as a Pro and the Blade Stealth.


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Just now, Hunter259 said:

And power limits include a thermal throttling temp target just like very chip built in the last 10 years. Whats your next excuse for it getting hot? The 13 runs just as hot as a Pro and the Blade Stealth.

No? TDP throttling means it would throttle regarldess of 60*C of 160*C - stop imagining things


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Just now, don_svetlio said:

No? TDP throttling means it would throttle regarldess of 60*C of 160*C - stop imagining things

It has a custom TDP throttle due to the cooler not being able to handle the heat of a full chip. It's still thermal throttling.


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Just now, Hunter259 said:

It has a custom TDP throttle due to the cooler not being able to handle the heat of a full chip. It's still thermal throttling.

No? The full chip needs 25W - that is only available on business laptops. The standard 15W is the same on 99% of ULV-based chips. It's not the cooler, it's the Intel firmware


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1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

No? The full chip needs 25W - that is only available on business laptops. The standard 15W is the same on 99% of ULV-based chips. It's not the cooler, it's the Intel firmware

Ah I forgot the 6000 series are weird. But no matter what it still runs hot. The Pro's use 25 watt chips and are as cool running. The XPS is not a cool running laptop under load.


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Just now, Hunter259 said:

Ah I forgot the 6000 series are weird. But no matter what it still runs hot. The Pro's use 25 watt chips and are as cool running. The XPS is not a cool running laptop under load.

Compare the acoustics as well :)


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1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

Compare the acoustics as well :)

This wasn't about acoustics. You said it ran cool. It doesn't. 


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Just now, Hunter259 said:

This wasn't about acoustics. You said it ran cool. It doesn't. 

My mistake, I was looking at the lower end i3 model :)


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Posted · Original PosterOP

I agree with @Shiv78. I have a MBP from a few years back, and I wouldn't be comparing that to the BS. 

The MBP is terrible at gaming and doesn't even have the option to run an external GPU.

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1 minute ago, Stanturbo said:

I agree with @Shiv78. I have a MBP from a few years back, and I wouldn't be comparing that to the BS. 

The MBP is terrible at gaming and doesn't even have the option to run an external GPU.

The iGPU in the BS is also not capable of gaming - and the CPU bottlenecks most GPUs soo it's not any better.


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Just now, Stanturbo said:

I agree with @Shiv78. I have a MBP from a few years back, and I wouldn't be comparing that to the BS. 

The MBP is terrible at gaming and doesn't even have the option to run an external GPU.

Where did you get that it can't use an external gpu? People have been building crap to use EGPU's on then since they announced they had thunderbolt. And the Pro is just as good as every other Iris graphics laptop out there.


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Just now, don_svetlio said:

The iGPU in the BS is also not capable of gaming - and the CPU bottlenecks most GPUs soo it's not any better.

That's essentially what I was trying to find out.

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Just now, Stanturbo said:

That's essentially what I was trying to find out.

7500U is a 2.9GHz dual-core with HT limited to 15W for the whole package. Performance is under that of the i3 6100 - a 3.7GHz dual-core with HT not limited by power


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4 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

Where did you get that it can't use an external gpu? People have been building crap to use EGPU's on then since they announced they had thunderbolt. And the Pro is just as good as every other Iris graphics laptop out there.

Firstly, my referring to my MBP 13" from a few years back.

Also, I think everyone can agree that MacBook aren't the best gaming solution.

Lastly, don't give me that "well people have been making their own solutions for years" answer. I'm looking for sth on the market.

ALTHOUGH, I have seen a Kickstarter for an egpu unit for the MacBook, so I'll give you that.

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Just now, Stanturbo said:

Firstly, my referring to my MBP 13" from a few years back.

Also, I think everyone can agree that MacBook aren't the best gaming solution.

Lastly, don't give me that "well people have been making their own solutions for years" answer. I'm looking for sth on the market.

ALTHOUGH, I have seen a Kickstarter for an egpu unit for the MacBook, so I'll give you that.

So the Core counts as a legitimate solution now? It's hilariously overpriced for what it is. You say the Pro's can't do it but yes it can. Also if you can get a thunderbolt 3 to thunderbolt 2 converter it WILL work with the core.


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18 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

So the Core counts as a legitimate solution now? It's hilariously overpriced for what it is. You say the Pro's can't do it but yes it can. Also if you can get a thunderbolt 3 to thunderbolt 2 converter it WILL work with the core.

You're missing my point. It's not about whether the Core is viable or if it's affordable. It's about the Core being an actual product while there is no MacBook equivalent on the market. If I'm wrong, show me a product that enables macbooks to game.

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Just now, Stanturbo said:

You're missing my point. It's not about whether the Core is viable or if it's affordable. It's about the Core being an actual product while there is no MacBook equivalent on the market. If I'm wrong, show me a product that enables macbooks to game.

Well Iris graphics definitely can do it within reason.

Although its way too much. https://bizon-tech.com/us/bizonbox2-egpu.html/

Also there are guides on how to build these quite easily.


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10 hours ago, Hunter259 said:

Well Iris graphics definitely can do it within reason.

Although its way too much. https://bizon-tech.com/us/bizonbox2-egpu.html/

Also there are guides on how to build these quite easily.

 

10 hours ago, Stanturbo said:

Now you're talking. Wasnt aware of a product already existing for the Mac. But it costs just as much as the Core.

Cause he linked the most expensive premade one. You can easily make this yourself DIY at a far lower cost. People have been doing this since TB2 existed. The problem is your 13in MBP still sucks ass cause it's a duo-core. Only the 15in one's with true quad core can run it properly and even then you need to crank the fans all the way up. 


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