Trump: Internet control belongs to US. Period

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Trump lends his support to former Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz, Trump's bitter rival and the highest profile government figure to lead the charge against the transition. Cruz argues that if the US cedes control to nonprofit ICANN, it could give countries like Russia and China power over the internet. Trump echoed that sentiment.

"Congress needs to act, or internet freedom will be lost for good, since there will be no way to make it great again once it is lost," Trump national policy director Stephen Miller said in the statement.

https://www.cnet.com/news/trump-opposes-us-plan-to-cede-oversight-of-the-internet/

 

The question is, does he even know what DNS or URL means? 

Edited September 22, 2016 by hey_yo_

[Tocsin_786]

If i dont fully know what a DNSor URL is, I sure as hell am very positive he doesn't remotely even know how to enter a regular URL into an address bar. 

[Guest]

 

Original article from the Verge: Donald Trump still doesn't understand how the internet works:Republican presidential candidate says relinquishing control over ICANN will mark the end of internet freedom

 

Donald Trump's national policy director's currently proposed policy is something akin to "American internet freedom is more important that the rest of the world's freedoms."

 

Senator Ted Cruz also seems to support this idea:

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Donald Trump this week came out in opposition to a plan that would see the US cede control over the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), the organization that oversees the allocation of domain names and IP addresses. In a statement published to Trump's website on Wednesday, Stephen Miller, the republican presidential candidate's national policy director, said that relinquishing US control over ICANN would "surrender American internet control to foreign powers," thereby jeopardizing internet freedom.

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Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) has led a Congressional movement to block the transition of ICANN control to a group of international stakeholders, which is to be completed on October 1st. Cruz, who has not endorsed Trump's presidential candidacy, has argued that the move would lead to more widespread censorship, based on the premise that countries like China and Russia would wield greater influence. But such claims have been widely discredited by experts who have pointed out that ICANN has nothing to do with online censorship.

 

Apparently, ICANN has nothing to do with free speech online:

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In an editorial for The Washington Post this week, Sir Tim Berners-Lee, the creator of the world wide web, and MIT professor Daniel Weitzner wrote that "the misguided call for the United States to exert unilateral control over ICANN does nothing to advance free speech because ICANN, in fact, has no power whatsoever over individual speech online. ICANN... supervises domain names on the Internet. The actual flow of traffic, and therefore speech, is up to individual network and platform operators."

So, that being said, how does ICANN work and what does it do?  Are there videos explaining this?  If it hypothetically wanted to favor one country or another, what could it do?  These are questions not answered in the article and that I think discussion will answer.

 

 

[DutchTexan]

Make America great again

[Guest]

Just now, VPrime said:

 

Original article from the Verge: Donald Trump still doesn't understand how the internet works:Republican presidential candidate says relinquishing control over ICANN will mark the end of internet freedom

 

Donald Trump's national policy director's currently proposed policy is something akin to "American internet freedom is more important that the rest of the world's freedoms."

 

Senator Ted Cruz also seems to support this idea:

 

Apparently, ICANN has nothing to do with free speech online:

So, that being said, how does ICANN work and what does it do?  Are there videos explaining this?  If it hypothetically wanted to favor one country or another, what could it do?  These are questions not answered in the article and that I think discussion will answer.

 

 

DAMMIT THERE'S ALREADY A POST ABOUT THIS

[Atmos]

whether he knows what dns or url is, is irrelevant. 

 

He understands though that handing control of the internet to countries who strictly censor anything anti-government, or anytbing they feel harmful, is quite possibly the worst decision the us can make.

 

I am, for once, in 100% agreement with trump. 

 

Unless this is stopped, we can all kiss the internets freedom of information goodbye. 

[gtx1060=value]

Im done, if he becomes president and has control over the internet, any dissenters will have the fbi knocking at their doors and their ips ddos ed and any anti-trump websites shut down. He's run his corporation like a dictator, you can't say that he won't run america like a dictator. I may be canadian but i fear for the safety of the world if donald trump becomes president. As bad as hillary is, at least she won't start WW3 and a nuclear armageddon

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I'm sorry but when the majority of a tech forum doesn't understand how the IP assigning and DNS system works, these fools certainly have no idea how it works. 

[RGProductions]

Just now, Atmos said:

 

Don't hand it to any country. Or the Un. or the EU. Hell,I don't know who who would be better at controlling it.

[Coaxialgamer]

Just now, Atmos said:

whether he knows what dns or url is, is irrelevant. 

 

He understands though that handing control of the internet to countries who strictly censor anything anti-government, or anytbing they feel harmful, is quite possibly the worst decision the us can make.

 

I am, for once, in 100% agreement with trump. 

this has nothing to do with free speech or "power over the internet" . ICANN is simply in charge of stuff like assigning domains , IP's etc . They have no control over the content itself , or free speech . That is up to the network providers themselves , but not ICANN

[dalekphalm]

3 minutes ago, Atmos said:

whether he knows what dns or url is, is irrelevant. 

 

He understands though that handing control of the internet to countries who strictly censor anything anti-government, or anytbing they feel harmful, is quite possibly the worst decision the us can make.

 

I am, for once, in 100% agreement with trump. 

Except we're not handing over that control to those countries. We're handing that control over to iCANN - which already has control over a decent amount of the Internet (Or more specifically, some of the infrastructure), and has been doing totally fine.

 

Americans need to consider that most of the Internet Users in the world are NOT American. As a Canadian, I don't trust the US Government. Full stop. I want to take away control from them as soon as possible.

[gtx1060=value]

2 minutes ago, Atmos said:

whether he knows what dns or url is, is irrelevant. 

 

He understands though that handing control of the internet to countries who strictly censor anything anti-government, or anytbing they feel harmful, is quite possibly the worst decision the us can make.

 

I am, for once, in 100% agreement with trump. 

it's a non profit though. its better that all countries have some say rather than politicians from one country pulling strings

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1 minute ago, Atmos said:

whether he knows what dns or url is, is irrelevant. 

 

He understands though that handing control of the internet to countries who strictly censor anything anti-government, or anytbing they feel harmful, is quite possibly the worst decision the us can make.

 

I am, for once, in 100% agreement with trump. 

 

Unless this is stopped, we can all kiss the internets freedom of information goodbye. 

Except IANA doesn't control the internet? The only thing it has a say over is the IP addresses assigned to the US and regulating the use of Well Known Ports. Neither of those being controlled by ICANN will impact the security of the US. Besides, Trump himself has basically called for Internet censorship here in the US.

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8 minutes ago, VPrime said:

DAMMIT THERE'S ALREADY A POST ABOUT THIS

Beat by four minutes, that sucks.

[gtx1060=value]

3 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

Except we're not handing over that control to those countries. We're handing that control over to iCANN - which already has control over a decent amount of the Internet (Or more specifically, some of the infrastructure), and has been doing totally fine.

 

Americans need to consider that most of the Internet Users in the world are NOT American. As a Canadian, I don't trust the US Government. Full stop. I want to take away control from them as soon as possible.

I fully agree, sorry my american friends, but america thinks that just because it has military might, it can force it's neighbours and allies to do whatever the hell it wants to. That may have worked 300 years before, but this is a new era.

[Taswell]

I'm wondering why you would think trump knows how to the internet works. No one over 45 seems to know how the internet works 

[Nena Trinity]

That man also thinks humans where riding on dinosaurs when the world was forged 3000 years ago...

BTW he is better than Clinton because she is a war criminal and a liar.

[ace_cheaply]

And Hilary's an expert. Just a server of knowledge. If there's one device she likes to go back to over and over, it's her knowledge of the internet. 

[TheElt]

8 minutes ago, gtx1060=value said:

anti-trump websites shut down

You realise there's been more censorship towards Trump than there has been from Trump, right? Stuff like rallies having broadcasts shut off and rallies being cancelled or called off because of people anti-Trump are two prime examples

[2FA]

7 minutes ago, gtx1060=value said:

I fully agree, sorry my american friends, but america thinks that just because it has military might, it can force it's neighbours and allies to do whatever the hell it wants to. That may have worked 300 years before, but this is a new era.

I'm American and I have zero issues with this action. The Internet isn't centrally controlled or even centrally monitored, it is a literal web of interconnected routers so I'm not sure why people think IANA has all of this supposed power. All they do is keep a log of domain names and their owners, assign IPs to ISPs, and assign the usage of ports 0-1023 (Well-Known Ports) to protocols. None of that actually impacts the flow of information across the Internet.

[tiberiusmoon5]

The future's Bright The future's Orange~

[2FA]

1 minute ago, TheElt said:

You realise there's been more censorship towards Trump than there has been from Trump, right? Stuff like rallies having broadcasts shut off and rallies being cancelled or called off because of people anti-Trump are two prime examples

Probably because he is one of the most disliked presidential nominees in the history of the US. It's actually a very close tie between him and Clinton as to who has the higher disapproval rating. Besides he himself has called for Internet censorship https://www.uspolitics.news/2015/12/08/news/2016-elections/donald-trump-wants-to-censor-the-internet/1541

[shdowhunt60]

20 minutes ago, dalekphalm said:

Except we're not handing over that control to those countries. We're handing that control over to iCANN - which already has control over a decent amount of the Internet (Or more specifically, some of the infrastructure), and has been doing totally fine.

 

Americans need to consider that most of the Internet Users in the world are NOT American. As a Canadian, I don't trust the US Government. Full stop. I want to take away control from them as soon as possible.

And I don't trust a government which elected a substitute drama teacher as president, and was partly responsible for making "current year" a meme.

[gtx1060=value]

Just now, shdowhunt60 said:

And I don't trust a government which elected a substitute drama teacher as president, and was partly responsible for making "current year" a meme.

prime minister* and he actually helps the middle class, not the one percent, my tax has been cut by a couple percent and i get more benefits now

[2FA]

10 minutes ago, ace_cheaply said:

And Hilary's an expert. Just a server of knowledge. If there's one device she likes to go back to over and over, it's her knowledge of the internet. 

Nobody said she was, just because someone attacks Trump doesn't mean they think favorably of Clinton. Both have about 60% disapproval ratings so the person is more likely than not to not care for either nominee. 

 

She has very limited knowledge of technology which is evident from her statements to the FBI.