AMD A12-9800 overclocked to 4.8 GHz with Wraith Cooler

[The Benjamins]

1 hour ago, Sauron said:

Maybe you can just stick your hands in there and replace the fan, after all it shouldn't be a complex operation, right? Beats draining it or having a non functioning computer.

I have to take the tray out, but their is some "stuff" in the oil. I would like to rebuild a new machine but may wait for a zen APU. I wish QDC would not break if used (rubber orings get messed up) so I could make a seal-able lid

 

Stuff

Dead Fly

Modular PSU sticker

QDC broken rubier rings

 

Old pic. Rad replaced and tubing done differently 

Spoiler

OLD thread

 

[lonewolf5460]

I never got why amd never did a 8 or 10 core chip a year ago to hold them over. We all know silicon is silicon all that die are could have been used for strait cpu cores. I wonder why they never did that. It cost the same to produce they could have made a sku to sell at 340ish that people would buy considering how much intel charges for more cores they could have made a killing I think. They sell an apu for 70-100 the same silicon could pull in 3x that, even down clocked to keep heat in control it would be worth it to some.

[Sauron]

2 hours ago, lonewolf5460 said:

I never got why amd never did a 8 or 10 core chip a year ago to hold them over. We all know silicon is silicon all that die are could have been used for strait cpu cores. I wonder why they never did that. It cost the same to produce they could have made a sku to sell at 340ish that people would buy considering how much intel charges for more cores they could have made a killing I think. They sell an apu for 70-100 the same silicon could pull in 3x that, even down clocked to keep heat in control it would be worth it to some.

Would you want a 180W TDP cpu in your system? There are server variants with more cores, but in the end on a desktop they don't scale well and APUs are supposed to be cheap all-in-one solutions, not the highest performance they can offer. They have been selling decently as far as I know, no need to push out a more expensive variant that doesn't even perform better in everyday tasks.

[Dabombinable]

8 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Would you want a 180W TDP cpu in your system? There are server variants with more cores, but in the end on a desktop they don't scale well and APUs are supposed to be cheap all-in-one solutions, not the highest performance they can offer. They have been selling decently as far as I know, no need to push out a more expensive variant that doesn't even perform better in everyday tasks.

Thing is, due to the enforced TDP limits, you only ever get consistent CPU or GPU performance with an APU-never both.

[Crazy Ginger]

I bet my NHD-15 can cool that CPU a bit better than the wraith cooler and of it more while also being more silent

[TheRandomness]

4 minutes ago, Crazy Ginger said:

I bet my NHD-15 can cool that CPU a bit better than the wraith cooler and of it more while also being more silent

The NH-D15 cools better than any stock cooler... duh?

[Energycore]

A 2016 motherboard with a PCI slot? Blasphemy!

[Crazy Ginger]

6 minutes ago, TheRandomness said:

The NH-D15 cools better than any stock cooler... duh?

I know that, just felt like bragging alittle, and I was just thinking that since the stock cooler works so well, imagine the possibilities with aftermarket coolers.  This thing could probably run easily at 5 ghtz on a noctua cooler.  I wonder what it's actual limits will be...

[TheRandomness]

1 minute ago, Crazy Ginger said:

I know that, just felt like bragging alittle, and I was just thinking that since the stock cooler works so well, imagine the possibilities with aftermarket coolers.  This thing could probably run easily at 5 ghtz on a noctua cooler.  I wonder what it's actual limits will be...

The silicon will probably hit the wall at 5.2~GHz

 

[JoaoPRSousa]

Using the Wraith cooler. That's pretty impressive.

[tbake0155]

Well AMD is using compute cores because of HSA.  It allows the CPU to pass off compute tasks to the GPU cores if they are not being used, hence 12 compute cores. So even taken literally it is not false.  Now whether HSA has been fully implemented yet (in software) is something I'm not sure about.

 

APUs (intel or AMD) are perfect CPUs for normal users, that is not gamers and not people doing intensive compute tasks. 

[zMeul]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10705/amd-7th-gen-bristol-ridge-and-am4-analysis-a12-9800-b350-a320-chipset

meh ... i3s still shit on it

[The Benjamins]

2 minutes ago, zMeul said:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10705/amd-7th-gen-bristol-ridge-and-am4-analysis-a12-9800-b350-a320-chipset

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meh ... i3s still shit on it

I think the ONLY reason you should get a APU at this point is you want some what descent gaming performance with a ok CPU in one package (as in can't add a dGPU)

[zMeul]

Just now, The Benjamins said:

I think the ONLY reason you should get a APU at this point is you want some what descent gaming performance with a ok CPU in one package (as in can't add a dGPU)

I have this nagging feeling in the back of my head that AMD will go the same route as Intel and put iGPUs in all their desktop offerings

[The Benjamins]

6 minutes ago, zMeul said:

I have this nagging feeling in the back of my head that AMD will go the same route as Intel and put iGPUs in all their desktop offerings

I see it being a big thing in most SKU's. It just makes sense for most PC users. It be cool to see a 4c8t Zen Polaris 11 APU, that would make a nice SFF gaming machine. for non demanding games like DOTA, LOL, CSGO, ect. It would be perfect to rebuild my mITX oil PC with it (zen version).

[zMeul]

2 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

It just makes sense for most PC users.

no it doesn't, people just accept it because there's no real aternative

[The Benjamins]

12 minutes ago, zMeul said:

no it doesn't, people just accept it because there's no real aternative

why not, I allows for smaller PC's which most people want, and most users don't need a powerful GPU. 

[zMeul]

1 minute ago, The Benjamins said:

why not, I allows for smaller PC's which most people want, and most users don't need a powerful GPU. 

a console is cheaper

[TheLaserCucumber]

5 minutes ago, zMeul said:

a console is cheaper

Generally speaking, I would say you're right. 

BUT! In some cases, you need a powerful CPU but no powerful GPU. (At my Workplace for example)

There it makes sense. And for the things that we use the PCs for, you can't use a console.

[The Benjamins]

2 minutes ago, zMeul said:

a console is cheaper

the reason for iGPU is for non gaming PC's and a good APU could play some games like I listed above that are not on the console. Also a good APU would be useful in a laptop.

[tbake0155]

2 minutes ago, zMeul said:

a console is cheaper

He said personal computers though not gaming machines.  And in that case he is absolutely right and I agree with him.  Most of the people in the world interacting with computers daily do not need a discrete graphics processing chip.

 

I use an APU for my daily machine.  I even down-clocked the iGPU because I don't need it to be powerful.  I have a separate gaming computer that would be complete overkill to use for day to day stuff.

 

This is my daily rig below.  It's running an a10 7850k at 4.1 GHz with the GPU at 500 or 600 MHz.  Memory is 2400 MHz DDR3.  I have no reason to complain about this system.

[don_svetlio]

Considering it performs like a Skylake i3 in 4-core loads and has an iGPU 2 times more powerful, I can see this selling fantastically in laptops.

[zMeul]

10 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

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11 minutes ago, TheLaserCucumber said:

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7 minutes ago, tbake0155 said:

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iGPUs should've been kept in the chipset and utilized on special purpose mobos

not in the CPU where it adds power draw and extra cooling needs

 

iGPUs aren't yet powerful and cost effective (looking at Iris PRO) to be moved to the CPU

[don_svetlio]

2 minutes ago, zMeul said:

 

 

iGPUs should've been kept in the chipset and utilized on special purpose mobos

not in the CPU where it adds power draw and extra cooling needs

 

iGPUs aren't yet powerful and cost effective (looking at Iris PRO) to be moved to the CPU

I'd digress - R7 iGPUs perform similarly to a 250X - perfect for 768p gaming

[The Benjamins]

1 minute ago, zMeul said:

 

 

iGPUs should've been kept in the chipset and utilized on special purpose mobos

not in the CPU where it adds power draw and extra cooling needs

 

iGPUs aren't yet powerful and cost effective (looking at Iris PRO) to be moved to the CPU

But it saves on physical space. its easier to cool 1 med/high TDP chip then to 2 low/med Chips. (space wise) and AMD's iGPU are pretty good, and I think the rumor is polaris will be in the zen APU. think about NUC's they exist due to the fact CPU's have a iGPU and a NUC fits most peoples use cases.