Kaby Lake 7700K up for pre-order

[Dabombinable]

48 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

It will not. If software evolved at the same pace as hardware, there'd be a chance, however slim.

Look at where their CPU currently are, then look at the Zen leaks and predictions....if that's not the needed leapfrog, then what is?

[patrickjp93]

58 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Look at where their CPU currently are, then look at the Zen leaks and predictions....if that's not the needed leapfrog, then what is?

It's not a leapfrog. AMD will still be decidedly behind on per-core performance in most areas. Is AMD providing more cores than Intel for the same price? We'll see, but more cores does not mean better automatically. In fact in gaming even with DX 12 it's certainly no guarantee.

 

So far the only claim that Zen has matched Intel comes from a single sample test of a piece of open-source software demonstrated by AMD under conditions that were easily manipulated and no one can verify. There are way too many ways to manipulate the blender test that don't even require custom code optimization. Dresdenboy's leak of AOTS is much more reasonable and shows AMD is still half a mile behind.

[ARikozuM]

58 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Look at where their CPU currently are, then look at the Zen leaks and predictions....if that's not the needed leapfrog, then what is?

I'd like to be hopeful but I'd advise for you to not listen to the primary company's tests and to wait for third-party reviews to arrive.

[Dabombinable]

1 hour ago, ARikozuM said:

I'd like to be hopeful but I'd advise for you to not listen to the primary company's tests and to wait for third-party reviews to arrive.

Either way, its got to be significantly better than the current crap that they are manufacturing. 

 

1 hour ago, patrickjp93 said:

It's not a leapfrog. AMD will still be decidedly behind on per-core performance in most areas. Is AMD providing more cores than Intel for the same price? We'll see, but more cores does not mean better automatically. In fact in gaming even with DX 12 it's certainly no guarantee.

 

So far the only claim that Zen has matched Intel comes from a single sample test of a piece of open-source software demonstrated by AMD under conditions that were easily manipulated and no one can verify. There are way too many ways to manipulate the blender test that don't even require custom code optimization. Dresdenboy's leak of AOTS is much more reasonable and shows AMD is still half a mile behind.

For AMD it would be a leapfrog (one that shouldn't have been required in the first place)-if it improves at least 40% over Steamroller, any less and it will just be more "meh" from them.

[patrickjp93]

1 hour ago, Dabombinable said:

Either way, its got to be significantly better than the current crap that they are manufacturing. 

 

For AMD it would be a leapfrog (one that shouldn't have been required in the first place)-if it improves at least 40% over Steamroller, any less and it will just be more "meh" from them.

I think you and I have different definitions (or contexts) of the word. AMD is not leapfrogging Intel. It's not getting ahead, and I doubt it ever will by a significant margin.

[Dabombinable]

4 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

I think you and I have different definitions (or contexts) of the word. AMD is not leapfrogging Intel. It's not getting ahead, and I doubt it ever will by a significant margin.

As in over their previous product.

[patrickjp93]

1 minute ago, Dabombinable said:

As in over their previous product.

Well no shit if that's your standard, but it's not enough. I can promise you that.

[zMeul]

8 hours ago, Enderman said:

Site wants money, they put a preorder page up for something that will obviously exist some day, and people give them money ahead of time for some stupid reason.

not really

if you look at the site, they have the part number - that means Intel already has the SKUs

they are not "selling" / accepting preorders for vaporware

[Enderman]

3 minutes ago, zMeul said:

not really

if you look at the site, they have the part number - that means Intel already has the SKUs

they are not "selling" / accepting preorders for vaporware

Obviously it's not vaporware because everyone knows the 7700k will exist. Did I not say that?

"obviously it will exist" therefore they can make preorder money form it.

[zMeul]

8 hours ago, NumLock21 said:

H110 is a current Skylake chipset locked to DDR4 2133. If Kaby Lake is was to run at DDR4 2400 and somehow the H110 can run at DDR4 2400, this most likely tells us that H110 and B150 can support higher rams all along.

the chipset doesn't have to support anything since the DDR4 controller is in the CPU 

 

[zMeul]

3 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Obviously it's not vaporware because everyone knows the 7700k will exist. Did I not say that?

"obviously it will exist" therefore they can make preorder money form it.

you are ignoring the fact that before ~10-12 hours ago, no one had the Intel SKU number for this chip

do a google search for CM8067702868535

[Enderman]

1 minute ago, zMeul said:

you are ignoring the fact that before ~10-12 hours ago, no one had the Intel SKU number for this chip

do a google search for CM8067702868535

And that matters because........?

[zMeul]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

And that matters because........?

because as I said, the site allowing preorders lists this part number and not a generic product name

[Enderman]

Just now, zMeul said:

because as I said, the site allowing preorders lists this part number and not a generic product name

Yeah idk why you're telling me this, it's pretty clear the site has put up a preorder page for it, that's what OP is posting about.

Are you trying to get a point across or something? Other than the fact that yes this is a preorder, we all know that already.

[Marinatall_Ironside]

38 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

Well no shit if that's your standard, but it's not enough. I can promise you that.

Why do you think I went with a 5930K despite the fact that the 6850K is the latest one (when comparing the two CPU's spec-for-spec, core-for-core)? It's because a) I simply felt the extra premium is not worth my money and b) the extra performance over Haswell-E is not that significant and therefore, I should not get my arms up all for excitement. Because by the end of the day, my 5930K absolutely demolishes whatever I throw at it, and I don't feel like I need to upgrade. I'm still very happy with what I got, not to mention the overclocks on the 5930K are just stellar; 4.7 GHz at 1.284 volts, and it's stable and temps are fine with a 240mm AIO liquid cooler under an OCCT stress test.

[patrickjp93]

3 minutes ago, JurunceNK said:

Why do you think I went with a 5930K despite the fact that the 6850K is the latest one (when comparing the two CPU's spec-for-spec, core-for-core)? It's because a) I simply felt the extra premium is not worth my money and b) the extra performance over Haswell-E is not that significant and therefore, I should not get my arms up all for excitement. Because by the end of the day, my 5930K absolutely demolishes whatever I throw at it, and I don't feel like I need to upgrade. I'm still very happy with what I got, not to mention the overclocks on the 5930K are just stellar; 4.7 GHz at 1.284 volts, and it's stable and temps are fine with a 240mm AIO liquid cooler under an OCCT stress test.

And that's fair! I'm not going to say there isn't a premium on Broadwell parts. It seems to be a recurring theme with 14nm. I'm just saying there's no way in Hell Zen is going to rescue AMD. Maybe Zen+ will with another 10% boost, but I doubt it.

 

As for that overclock, I'm giving you such a big middle finger. 1.5 volts and my 2600K won't budge past 3.9GHz.

[zMeul]

15 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

I'm just saying there's no way in Hell Zen is going to rescue AMD. Maybe Zen+ will with another 10% boost

assuming Intel will be sitting around scratching their balls between Zen and Zen+ - not that didn't happened before, but I doubt they'll make that mistake again

it could happen if Intel going to 10nm doesn't go as planned and AMD's collaboration with GloFo for "7nm" goes 100% butter smooth

Edited September 18, 2016 by zMeul

[Marinatall_Ironside]

7 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

And that's fair! I'm not going to say there isn't a premium on Broadwell parts. It seems to be a recurring theme with 14nm. I'm just saying there's no way in Hell Zen is going to rescue AMD. Maybe Zen+ will with another 10% boost, but I doubt it.

 

As for that overclock, I'm giving you such a big middle finger. 1.5 volts and my 2600K won't budge past 3.9GHz.

Thanks  To me, the extra USD $50-100 (depending on what Haswell-E chip you're comparing against a Broadwell-E chip) isn't worth it. I would have gone ahead with a Broadwell-E i7-6850K if it was the same or just a bit more. I wouldn't have minded. But for others, it may not bother them, which I would reply at that point "Okay, more power to ya. It's your system you're building after all, so pick whatever the hell you want."

 

For the last part. I laughed. But man too bad you lost the silicon lottery on your 2600K. I fell you because I tried so hard to do 4.7 GHz and it wasn't stable at all, even if I pumped 1.4 volts into the CPU, let alone it was thermal throttling like hell. But I also don't know how I also managed to slam 1,321 CinePoints in CPU rendering in CineBench using what really is an unstable overclock.

Edited September 18, 2016 by JurunceNK

[patrickjp93]

6 minutes ago, zMeul said:

assuming Intel will be sitting around scratching their balls between Zen and Zen+ - not that didn't happened before, but I doubt they'll make that mistake again

it could happen if Intel going to 10nm doesn't go as planned and AMD's collaboration with GloFo for 7nm goes 100% butter smooth

"7nm"

 

6 minutes ago, JurunceNK said:

Thanks  To me, the extra USD $50-100 (depending on what Haswell-E chip you're comparing against a Broadwell-E chip) isn't worth it. I would have gone ahead with a Broadwell-E i7-6850K if it was the same or just a bit more. I wouldn't have minded. But for others, it may not bother them, which I would reply at that point "Okay, more power to ya. It's your system you're building after all, so pick whatever the hell you want."

 

For the last part. I laughed. But man too bad you lost the silicon lottery on your 2600K. I fell you because I tried so hard to do 4.7 GHz and it wasn't stable at all, even if I pumped 1.4 volts into the CPU, let alone it was thermal throttling like hell. But I also don't know how I also managed to slam 1,321 CinePoints in CPU rendering in CineBench using what really is an unstable overclock.

It's unstable under certain torture tests. Generally, if your system can handle AIDA64 or Intel Burnt Test for 8 hours with a hot CPU, it can handle anything else pretty much forever with a cooler CPU.

[zMeul]

1 minute ago, patrickjp93 said:

"7nm"

yeah, forgot 

fixed

[Master Disaster]

9 hours ago, Thony said:

Still waiting for AMD to compete with IVYBRIDGE, it will be few decades before Intel has to actually produce better CPU.

Coffee Lake will be 6 core on the consumer platform.

[patrickjp93]

Just now, Master Disaster said:

Coffee Lake will be 6 core on the consumer platform.

BUT DADDY I WANT IT NAOOOOOOW!

[Master Disaster]

Just now, patrickjp93 said:

BUT DADDY I WANT IT NAOOOOOOW!

Patrick, are you drunk? High? Both? 

[patrickjp93]

1 hour ago, Master Disaster said:

Patrick, are you drunk? High? Both? 

None of the above.

[Sintezza]

18 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

 

Full H.265 10-bit encode and decode hardware acceleration. Even Nvidia and AMD don't have that yet.

Hmm thats pretty cool.

Thanks for the info