Dell XPS 15 2017

[ACuteTeddy]

Hello, I am going to get the Dell XPS 15 as a laptop for University, however I do not know whether to get it now, or wait for a new one, as it's been out for almost a year now. I will definitely be getting it by Christmas this year whatever happens, so does anyone have any idea if there will be a new one released in the coming months and whether it would be worth the wait or should i just get it now? Thanks!

[astrosheen]

5 minutes ago, ACuteTeddy said:

Hello, I am going to get the Dell XPS 15 as a laptop for University, however I do not know whether to get it now, or wait for a new one, as it's been out for almost a year now. I will definitely be getting it by Christmas this year whatever happens, so does anyone have any idea if there will be a new one released in the coming months and whether it would be worth the wait or should i just get it now? Thanks!

 

I'd wait regardless it is likely the price will be dropped at some point before xmas for a sale. If the new one come out awesome, otherwise you saved a few bucks.

[Dackzy]

well if they want to keep the slim design and keep it somewhat fair in temps, then the GPU in the 2017 model would not be anything that would be a lot better than the 960m, maybe they even keep the 960m. With the CPU you are most likely seeing a 8-10% performance increase, but most people will not notice that.

Tech always get cheaper over time, because then the new model comes out and black friday is not that far away.

[SecGuy]

Wait.  I'm in your exact position right now, I use an HP and have been doing my code bootcamps on that for some time.

I'm going to go to Uni, and study Comp Sci, which is great, but if you are doing anything that will require an expensive laptop like that, then please try and get the best possible price/performance/quality rating you can.  Dell XPS would probably be great next year, on another note, you can buy the current version for cheaper after it's released, which is still a pristine laptop.

[Squirrel724]

If there was an update this fall it would just be a move to a Kaby Lake processor. There is not a real reason for them to upgrade to a 1060 over a 960m.

[don_svetlio]

2 minutes ago, Squirrel724 said:

If there was an update this fall it would just be a move to a Kaby Lake processor. There is not a real reason for them to upgrade to a 1060 over a 960m.

The reason is they can't - 1060 runs as hot as a 980M - they can barely cool a 960M in that chassis

[Squirrel724]

13 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

The reason is they can't - 1060 runs as hot as a 980M - they can barely cool a 960M in that chassis

I can tell you from experience with my machine that the 960m and 6700HQ are more than sufficiently cool. Under a full gaming load I rarely see more than 80C.

[don_svetlio]

Just now, Squirrel724 said:

I can tell you from experience with my machine that the 960m and 6700HQ are more than sufficiently cool. Under a full gaming load I rarely see more than 80C.

I know but I've also seen people get 90*C under gaming load so your mileage may vary

[Pendragon]

2 minutes ago, Squirrel724 said:

I can tell you from experience with my machine that the 960m and 6700HQ are more than sufficiently cool. Under a full gaming load I rarely see more than 80C.

You have a great chip. Generally consensus is that XPS15 throttles under load. But is still acceptable as a repaste and undervolt EASILY drop it to around 70C under synthetic loads like Prime95 + OCCT. Even like this, I doubt a 1060 could be put in it without going EXTREMELY close to throttle points. And that's IF you get an amazing chip. 

[Squirrel724]

4 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

I know but I've also seen people get 90*C under gaming load so your mileage may vary

 

1 minute ago, Pendragon said:

You have a great chip. Generally consensus is that XPS15 throttles under load. But is still acceptable as a repaste and undervolt EASILY drop it to around 70C under synthetic loads like Prime95 + OCCT. Even like this, I doubt a 1060 could be put in it without going EXTREMELY close to throttle points. And that's IF you get an amazing chip. 

My schools engineering department is outfitted with 100 of these machines (all i5 with 8gb RAM and 1080p display) and in messing around with them most run without ever getting hot (experience is with CFD, structural analysis, and SPICE simulations mostly). Only machine I have seen hit 90c was my friends which reached those levels The Witcher 3 at 4k ultra to see how hot we could get it. Run it at more appropriate settings and it was only nudging 80c. Really hot machines seem to be the minority in my experience.

[Pendragon]

Just now, Squirrel724 said:

experience is with CFD, structural analysis, and SPICE simulations mostl

This isn't heavy load

 

1 minute ago, Squirrel724 said:

Only machine I have seen hit 90c was my friends which reached those levels The Witcher 3 at 4k ultra to see how hot we could get it

Doesn't take to 90C for throttling to occur. Generally under synthetic load I think around 80C is fair. And alot of people do play games at maxed settings. Refer to this thread. http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/xps-15-9550-temperature-observations-undervolt-repaste.785963/

 

The point wasn't that XPS15 didn't have a good cooling system. The point was that putting a 1060 in it is pushing it. 

[Squirrel724]

5 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

 And alot of people do play games at maxed settings.

I don't think many people are playing Witcher 3 at 2 fps.

 

7 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

11 minutes ago, Squirrel724 said:

experience is with CFD, structural analysis, and SPICE simulations mostl

This isn't heavy load

I would say 100% cpu usage for 1-2 hrs is a pretty heavy load (this isn't basic analysis).

[don_svetlio]

Thing is - the pastejob and overvolted Skylake CPUs are usually the root cause of heat issues

[Pendragon]

32 minutes ago, Squirrel724 said:

I would say 100% cpu usage for 1-2 hrs is a pretty heavy load (this isn't basic analysis).

loads aren't all equal, try running intel burn vs aida64 vs prime95 vs occt. or any of them with Unigine Heaven. CPU + GPU exceeds CPU only loads.

[ACuteTeddy]

Thanks for the replies, great help!

[Vulcan_Knowledge]

What do you think is more likely in the Dell xps 15 2017 a 960m a 1060 or a 1050ti.

I think they will use the 1050ti

[Dackzy]

44 minutes ago, Vulcan_Knowledge said:

What do you think is more likely in the Dell xps 15 2017 a 960m a 1060 or a 1050ti.

I think they will use the 1050ti

after the new news about the 1050ti, then it is fairly likely that we are seeing a 1050ti, the 1060 is too hot, laptops that could bearly handle a 970m, cannot handle a 1060.

[more_fps]

They could do what microsoft did by using 965m 

[Eason85]

I'd guess a 1050 regular- no Ti

[Pendragon]

2 hours ago, Eason85 said:

I'd guess a 1060 regular- no Ti

Nah, unless they wanted to sync up the kaby lake hq release with the xps15, there isn't much reason to hold back updating on pascal. and i'm also not sure whether it can handle the heat of a 1060. maybe with full aftermarket fixes.

[Eason85]

Hmm I thought I edited that to say 1050 lol. My reasoning being that they didn't even put a 4GB card in the XPS 15- they used the 2GB.

[Dark]

On 9/12/2016 at 10:30 AM, Pendragon said:

You have a great chip. Generally consensus is that XPS15 throttles under load. But is still acceptable as a repaste and undervolt EASILY drop it to around 70C under synthetic loads like Prime95 + OCCT. Even like this, I doubt a 1060 could be put in it without going EXTREMELY close to throttle points. And that's IF you get an amazing chip. 

A repaste and placing a thermal pad on the heat pipe plates covering the gpu/cpu (so that it would allow some heat transfer to the bottom plate) kept me right around 73c.  No undervolt.

 

Still wasn't an enjoyable system to game on.

[Valletta]

I'll be getting the XPS 15 refresh almost surely, unless a more amazing laptop coes out at the same time. My concern is, is there any chance they can put a 1050 in it instead of a 1050 Ti? The Ti is the least I will accept because I was initially hoping it would have a 1060.

[Pendragon]

1 hour ago, Valletta said:

I'll be getting the XPS 15 refresh almost surely, unless a more amazing laptop coes out at the same time. My concern is, is there any chance they can put a 1050 in it instead of a 1050 Ti? The Ti is the least I will accept because I was initially hoping it would have a 1060.

Actually, it might be the 1050. Given that they never put a 965m or even a 4gb 960m in last gen, I doubt they'd put the ti in it. Also thermal constraints. I think 1050 is about the highest the XPS15 should go.

 

If you want to get a 1060 now, get something like an AW13 or AW15 or P650RP6 or GS63VR etc.  

[Guest lilbman]

I think they're waiting for NVIDIA to come out with the 1050s for laptops.  I'd get one then as it would be leaps and bounds over a 960M.