Samsung's new curved gaming monitors w/FreeSync

[NumLock21]

Samsung has just released 2 curved gaming monitors. It comes with AMD Free Sync and features Quantum Dot Technology.

https://www.techpowerup.com/225377/samsung-launches-two-new-curved-gaming-monitors

https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-electronics-to-change-the-game-at-ifa-2016-with-reveal-of-new-quantum-dot-curved-monitors

[VerticalDiscussions]

Those prices are too expensive and the displays arent using neither AH-IPS or well, from Samsung, how about an OLED display? For just 2500€

[Misanthrope]

Yeah let's release a high end monitor that only works with GPUs from a company that won't even release High end GPUs for the remainder of 2016 or very late if it happens at all.

 

Seriously Nvidia is really dropping the ball on G-Sync they need to cut down their prices or offer some sort of incentive to get more panels out there (Since they'll probably never give in and support Freesnyc anyway)

[samcool55]

Damn that's expensive. 

If the middle one is 400 euros where i live, overpriiiiced!

I just got a monitor with very similar specs, not curved but with a usb hub for 259.

 

So unless prices go down it's an overpriced monitor with imo a gimmick (the curve)

[samcool55]

5 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Yeah let's release a high end monitor that only works with GPUs from a company that won't even release High end GPUs for the remainder of 2016 or very late if it happens at all.

 

Seriously Nvidia is really dropping the ball on G-Sync they need to cut down their prices or offer some sort of incentive to get more panels out there (Since they'll probably never give in and support Freesnyc anyway)

I can tell you replaying older games at 144Hz and maxed out can be fantastic.

Reinstalled flatout 2 today, and even tho it looks like a poop and is locked to 100fps it's an amazing experience

 

Or i have lower than average standards, whatever you want to think of it

[NumLock21]

3 minutes ago, VerticalDiscussions said:

Those prices are too expensive and the displays arent using neither AH-IPS or well, from Samsung, how about an OLED display? For just 2500€

Forget AH-IPS and OLED

 

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The new CFG70 curved monitor incorporates a host of user-friendly features to create a premium multi-sensory gaming destination. The CFG70’s “Super Arena” design aligns 1800R curvature with sound interactive LED lighting that lets players fully experience the thrill of victory.

 

[Sakkura]

29 minutes ago, VerticalDiscussions said:

Those prices are too expensive and the displays arent using neither AH-IPS or well, from Samsung, how about an OLED display? For just 2500€

Quantum dots are pretty awesome too though, without driving up the cost too much.

26 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Yeah let's release a high end monitor that only works with GPUs from a company that won't even release High end GPUs for the remainder of 2016 or very late if it happens at all.

 

Seriously Nvidia is really dropping the ball on G-Sync they need to cut down their prices or offer some sort of incentive to get more panels out there (Since they'll probably never give in and support Freesnyc anyway)

Freesync and G-Sync are more valuable with weaker GPUs as they make FPS drops below the maximum refresh rate more common. Along with Freesync being much cheaper than G-Sync, that makes monitors like these considerably more attractive.

[Curufinwe_wins]

8 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

Quantum dots are pretty awesome too though, without driving up the cost too much.

Freesync and G-Sync are more valuable with weaker GPUs as they make FPS drops below the maximum refresh rate more common. Along with Freesync being much cheaper than G-Sync, that makes monitors like these considerably more attractive.

Yea but freesync ips 21:9 panels are already available for 800-900 USD. I don't see how this is a good bargain personally... If it was a G-sync monitor at this price with these specs I could go for it (since the equivalent IPS panels are 1100-1200 USD).

 

VA is nice... Better contrast and all, but the relative lack of IPS color shifting is still far superior, and response times (and input lag) historically for VA panels haven't been great.

 

 

More options= cool. Just not particularly excited about these ones.

[Bouzoo]

44 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Yeah let's release a high end monitor that only works with GPUs from a company that won't even release High end GPUs for the remainder of 2016 or very late if it happens at all.

Yeah well... ditto 

 

[Sakkura]

2 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

Yea but freesync ips 21:9 panels are already available for 800-900 USD. I don't see how this is a good bargain personally... If it was a G-sync monitor at this price with these specs I could go for it (since the equivalent IPS panels are 1100-1200 USD).

 

VA is nice... Better contrast and all, but the relative lack of IPS color shifting is still far superior, and response times (and input lag) historically for VA panels haven't been great.

 

 

More options= cool. Just not particularly excited about these ones.

Well, I was looking at them in general. But as for the top model, you may have missed the refresh rate? The only other 3440x1440 display at >60Hz and <$1000 is the Acer Predator XR341CK, and that's still only 75Hz. This one is 100Hz.

[Misanthrope]

16 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

Quantum dots are pretty awesome too though, without driving up the cost too much.

Freesync and G-Sync are more valuable with weaker GPUs as they make FPS drops below the maximum refresh rate more common. Along with Freesync being much cheaper than G-Sync, that makes monitors like these considerably more attractive.

AMD market penetration is substantially lower even on the mainstream market. So it's not that it's just Nvidia's incompetence with gsync and it's pricing. 

[Scruffy90]

What is the input lag (not response time) for the quantum dot display? I heard it was supposed to ridiculously low. Similar to the CRT monitors of yesteryear.

[Sakkura]

Just now, Misanthrope said:

AMD market penetration is substantially lower even on the mainstream market. So it's not that it's just Nvidia's incompetence with gsync and it's pricing. 

Market penetration is irrelevant to the end user. G-Sync is more expensive because Nvidia is putting their own hardware in the monitor, and doing some validation AFAIK. AMD's solution is cheaper, but did lead to some quality variability especially in the beginning, as every monitor manufacturer had to come up with their own solutions. But I think by now we're seeing that AMD's choice of business model for variable refresh rate is better than Nvidia's. I don't think the lower price of Freesync has anything to do with AMD being more competent, on a technical level, than Nvidia.

[Curufinwe_wins]

4 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

Well, I was looking at them in general. But as for the top model, you may have missed the refresh rate? The only other 3440x1440 display at >60Hz and <$1000 is the Acer Predator XR341CK, and that's still only 75Hz. This one is 100Hz.

I don't remember if it was the Sammy current one or the LG one, but one of them is supposedly consistently overclocking to 75 hz as well.

 

Also there are some random korean panels that do 100hz oc's with free-sync (they are the left over AOC panels from the PG348Q and the Acer x34).

 

Plus if I remember correctly, lenovo announced a ultrawide freesync panel recentl.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the wider color space is going to be awesome, but considering the normal 200-400 dollar gap between the similar freesync and g-sync panels, it's just hard for me to get excited.

[Sakkura]

Just now, Curufinwe_wins said:

I don't remember if it was the Sammy current one or the LG one, but one of them is supposedly consistently overclocking to 75 hz as well.

 

Also there are some random korean panels that do 100hz oc's with free-sync (they are the left over AOC panels from the PG348Q and the Acer x34).

 

Plus if I remember correctly, lenovo announced a ultrawide freesync panel recentl.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the wider color space is going to be awesome, but considering the normal 200-400 dollar gap between the similar freesync and g-sync panels, it's just hard for me to get excited.

Well okay, but it's so far looking like the only retail 100Hz monitor in its segment. Overclockable Korean panels are an interesting option, but for most people the premium of a retail model is probably worth the peace of mind.

 

I'm not doing the usual Linus "best monitor EVER (until next week)" thing, but it does look like a viable product.

[Curufinwe_wins]

2 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

Well okay, but it's so far looking like the only retail 100Hz monitor in its segment. Overclockable Korean panels are an interesting option, but for most people the premium of a retail model is probably worth the peace of mind.

 

I'm not doing the usual Linus "best monitor EVER (until next week)" thing, but it does look like a viable product.

Well as long as the input lag and response time issues with VA panels are addressed, which I assume they are...  It will be a fine product, just evolutionary not revolutionary. (note I also just recently bought a PG348Q, so anything that isn't going to directly compete with that segment of panels is kinda boring to me now.)

 

 

[Nineshadow]

Do people even care about Freesync and/or Gsync monitors anymore?

 

I just find them too expensive.

[Sakkura]

12 minutes ago, Nineshadow said:

Do people even care about Freesync and/or Gsync monitors anymore?

 

I just find them too expensive.

 

Some monitors now have Freesync almost incidentally, for little or no added cost.

 

The cheapest 1080p monitor with a refresh rate above 60Hz? It supports Freesync.

[ivan134]

15 minutes ago, Nineshadow said:

Do people even care about Freesync and/or Gsync monitors anymore?

 

I just find them too expensive.

Wha? Mine cost me $200

[Misanthrope]

1 hour ago, Sakkura said:

Market penetration is irrelevant to the end user. G-Sync is more expensive because Nvidia is putting their own hardware in the monitor, and doing some validation AFAIK. AMD's solution is cheaper, but did lead to some quality variability especially in the beginning, as every monitor manufacturer had to come up with their own solutions. But I think by now we're seeing that AMD's choice of business model for variable refresh rate is better than Nvidia's. I don't think the lower price of Freesync has anything to do with AMD being more competent, on a technical level, than Nvidia.

Quick clarification: I brought up market share to make the point that companies just wouldn't intentionally support AMD Freesync if it wasn't very easy/cheap to implement because there just isn't that big of a market for them. It was to drive point precisely this point you make: Nvidia has utterly fucking failed on this tech race imho and are likely pricing themselves out of relevance and will have to support freesync or adaptive sync or whatever in the near future.

 

This is one example of opening standards being the better choice and winning the day vs walled gardens.

[Curufinwe_wins]

11 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Quick clarification: I brought up market share to make the point that companies just wouldn't intentionally support AMD Freesync if it wasn't very easy/cheap to implement because there just isn't that big of a market for them. It was to drive point precisely this point you make: Nvidia has utterly fucking failed on this tech race imho and are likely pricing themselves out of relevance and will have to support freesync or adaptive sync or whatever in the near future.

 

This is one example of opening standards being the better choice and winning the day vs walled gardens.

I mean maybe... but they have managed to get almost every monitor "first" to ship with G-sync over free-sync, which I'm sure allows them a great ROI on the tech (even if volume is next to nothing... since I doubt AMD gets a cent out of their tech.)

 

I wouldn't expect Nvidia to worry about supporting free-sync until Intel starts shipping their products supporting it personally. They don't really need to care about the other side.

[Doobeedoo]

Not interested.

I want 4K (240Hz with 1080p) HDR OLED monitor. Not ultra-wide, not curved.

*waiting*

[NumLock21]

1 hour ago, ivan134 said:

Wha? Mine cost me $200

Gsync cost money. Freesync is free

[Fetzie]

26 minutes ago, huilun02 said:

Over $400 for 1080p kinda exorbitant no? 

144Hz VA panel with that colour space on a swivel/height-adjustable stand with adaptive refresh rate for 399 dollars sounds like a good deal to me. I mean, people are still recommending the Dell U2414H and that's 225 dollars for an IPS 1920*1080 without the massive colour space, freesync or the other bells and whistles and a certain amount of backlight bleed / IPS glow at the edges.

[Notional]

Post of the ultrawide monitor here.