New Razer Blade or MacBook Pro

[Dackzy]

6 minutes ago, 1v1mebro said:

the gpu throttles but it still its still a gpu its like saying you should go for integrated radeon r5 graphics instead of getting a gtx 960m but in this case its intel graphics and nvidias 1060

No it is not like saying that, it is far from saying that, I am saying that they might aswell put a 960m in it, because it might be able to handle that heat

 

6 minutes ago, 1v1mebro said:

d no pascal is not hotter it uses less power than maxwell there for less heat

power=heat in every single way the 

Oh god you don't know physics do you? Let me explain to you this in a simple way, if pascal is cooler than maxwell, then why did they upgrade the stock cooler? Why does it still run insanely hot?

Power=/= Heat.

 

Go read about this subject and go read a physics book

[Dackzy]

11 minutes ago, Dackzy said:

SNIP

Just try and take a flashlight that has a zoom function, now first make it wide hold your hand 20cm-30cm away from it, now use the zoom and hold your hand 20cm-30cm away from it. The zoom is hotter, because it is more concentrated, same thing goes on here, they use the same power, but one is hotter.

[Pendragon]

21 minutes ago, 1v1mebro said:

no pascal is not hotter it uses less power than maxwell there for less heat

power=heat in every single way the p.s. its been said before the DESKTOP 1060 HAS THE HEAT OUTPUT OF A 970M

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. 

You're so wrong. Heat =/= Power

1060 uses around the same TDP as 970m while producing more heat. 

 

As @Dackzy said, you need to finish your middle school education on thermal density. 

[Dackzy]

1 minute ago, Pendragon said:

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. 

You're so wrong. Heat =/= Power

1060 uses around the same TDP as 970m while producing more heat. 

 

As @Dackzy you need to finish your middle school education on thermal density. 

oh you liked that reply didn't you?  

[Pendragon]

Just now, Dackzy said:

oh you liked that reply didn't you?  

I was browsing on my phone and I chocked on my water during a meeting and now my boss is looking at me weird #worthit

[Dackzy]

Just now, Pendragon said:

I was browsing on my phone and I chocked on my water during a meeting and now my boss is looking at me weird #worthit

100% worth it  

well get back to that meeting or work now, you gotta earn dat money.  

[Pendragon]

Just now, Dackzy said:

100% worth it  

well get back to that meeting or work now, you gotta earn dat money.  

Not much to do. Day after labor day is so chill for some reason. Yes, we NA folks have labor day. 

[Dackzy]

2 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

Not much to do. Day after labor day is so chill for some reason. Yes, we NA folks have labor day. 

Lucky you, so you get money for sitting on LTT, neat, very neat

[don_svetlio]

25 minutes ago, 1v1mebro said:

the gpu throttles but it still its still a gpu its like saying you should go for integrated radeon r5 graphics instead of getting a gtx 960m but in this case its intel graphics and nvidias 1060 and no pascal is not hotter it uses less power than maxwell there for less heat

power=heat in every single way the p.s. its been said before the DESKTOP 1060 HAS THE HEAT OUTPUT OF A 970M

if the 960M is running at 100MHz then it'll be slower than an intel iGPU from 2012. Fucks sake, throttling = shit performance.

The 970M uses 82W. The 1060 uses 107W. What exactly do you fail to understand? It's a more power-hungry denser chip which usually runs a lot hotter.

[NA_NotAvailable]

step 1: New razer blade

step 2: put a hackintosh on it.

step 3: Wah wah... its a mac?

[rf9661]

2 hours ago, don_svetlio said:

if the 960M is running at 100MHz then it'll be slower than an intel iGPU from 2012. Fucks sake, throttling = shit performance.

The 970M uses 82W. The 1060 uses 107W. What exactly do you fail to understand? It's a more power-hungry denser chip which usually runs a lot hotter.

 

2 hours ago, Dackzy said:

Lucky you, so you get money for sitting on LTT, neat, very neat

 

2 hours ago, Pendragon said:

Not much to do. Day after labor day is so chill for some reason. Yes, we NA folks have labor day. 

So in conclusion between the Razer Blade and the MacBook Pro, the MacBook Pro with the dedicated graphics card wins? Let me know. I'm starting to incline towards Razer since now it has a separated cooling loops and I would be able to control the fans. 

[don_svetlio]

7 minutes ago, rf9661 said:

 

 

So in conclusion between the Razer Blade and the MacBook Pro, the MacBook Pro with the dedicated graphics card wins? Let me know. I'm starting to incline towards Razer since now it has a separated cooling loops and I would be able to control the fans. 

The Blade still throttles and overheats. The MBP, at the very least, has good customer support.

[rf9661]

37 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

The Blade still throttles and overheats. The MBP, at the very least, has good customer support.

That's what's really keeping me back from the Razer. Support and software. I'll let you guys know my final decision after the Apple September event.

[79wjd]

25 minutes ago, rf9661 said:

That's what's really keeping me back from the Razer. Support and software. I'll let you guys know my final decision after the Apple September event.

I wouldn't expect Apple to announce anything at their keynote tomorrow, they'll probably wait until October. Also, I would expect a 13" Pro with a dual core Skylake i5 with Iris graphics and a 15" quad core Skylake i7 with Iris Pro (with the higher end model having a RX M470/M480) at similar price points. 

[zelix]

On 2016-08-30 at 8:07 AM, rf9661 said:

Do you think the MacBook Pro could handle CS:GO without thermal throttling?

 

On 2016-08-30 at 8:09 AM, Dackzy said:

no, not unless they upgrade the cooling system or next gen CPUs don't get as hot as they are now or both. The XPS 15 also thermal throttles a little, but you can under volt the CPU a bit to get rid of that

i have  a rmbp 15" 2.5ghz and 750m, playing WoW or any blizzard products i don't think i throttle or nonetheless receive any hit in performance.

[rf9661]

3 hours ago, djdwosk97 said:

I wouldn't expect Apple to announce anything at their keynote tomorrow, they'll probably wait until October. Also, I would expect a 13" Pro with a dual core Skylake i5 with Iris graphics and a 15" quad core Skylake i7 with Iris Pro (with the higher end model having a RX M470/M480) at similar price points. 

What would you recommend? I like the MacBook Pro due to design, software, and customer service and I like the Razer Blade due to its design and dedicated graphics but I don't like it due to customer support.

[rf9661]

5 hours ago, don_svetlio said:

The Blade still throttles and overheats. The MBP, at the very least, has good customer support.

So you would recommend the rMBP 13" for light gaming, school work, and lots of YouTube?

[GR8-Ride]

7 hours ago, Pendragon said:

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. 

You're so wrong. Heat =/= Power

1060 uses around the same TDP as 970m while producing more heat. 

 

As @Dackzy said, you need to finish your middle school education on thermal density. 

Well, not exactly.   Power and heat are directly correlated, as without power, one cannot create heat.   And one cannot generate more heat than initial power that was input into the system.   If a GPU consumes 100W of power, than it cannot generate more than 100W of heat (assuming 100% inefficiency) at any given point in time.   Law of conservation of energy.   Again, assuming this to be a closed system, and that the GPU cooler is capable of dissipating 100W of power (or heat, in this case).

 

A GPU (or modern CPU, for that matter) isn't even close to 100% efficient....the vast majority of the heat generated by the GPU is lost to leakage current, rather than actual work being done.  This is even more evident at smaller processes (16nm vs 28nm, for example).  

 

Everything I've seen on the GTX 970M is that it had a TDP of 100W, and everything I've seen on the 1060 Mobility version is that it's expected to be 100W TDP or less (I've seen reports as low as 80W TDP, though NVidia hasn't confirmed anything thus far).

 

Assuming that TDP is identical and the cooling system is identical, it should not generate any more heat than the 970M, as the package size should be identical (this is the main question).

 

 

7 hours ago, Dackzy said:

Just try and take a flashlight that has a zoom function, now first make it wide hold your hand 20cm-30cm away from it, now use the zoom and hold your hand 20cm-30cm away from it. The zoom is hotter, because it is more concentrated, same thing goes on here, they use the same power, but one is hotter.

 

Except that in your example, you're concentrating the same amount of energy into a smaller space.   If the 970M is physically larger in package size than the 1060, then this example would stand up.

 

However I doubt that the package size is different, given that all of these manufacturers were able to basically drop GTX 1060 GPUs into laptops with previous GTX 970M modules in them.  This tends to indicate that no major re-engineering of the motherboards was required, as laptops were shipping VERY rapidly after the 1060/1070/1080 Mobility announcements were made.   If motherboards had to be re-engineered, I would imagine that each of the companies would have waited until Kaby Lake processors were available and started from there.

 

Now it could be pin compatible with a much smaller actual die size, which might make sense.   The 1060 has 4.4B transistors vs the 5.2B of the 970/980M units.

 

 

 

Patrick

[79wjd]

7 minutes ago, rf9661 said:

What would you recommend? I like the MacBook Pro due to design, software, and customer service and I like the Razer Blade due to its design and dedicated graphics but I don't like it due to customer support.

Well, it comes down to what YOU want and how important those aspects are to YOU. Realize that even with the throttling issues a Blade will yield better gaming performance. 

 

If I had to buy a laptop right now, I would personally go for a Mac, and here would be the reasons why: 

• 15" screen (I find 13-14" too small and 17" too big) 
• Iris Pro (I don't want a dGPU for battery-life reasons, but I'd like the best iGPU available in case I want to do something graphically intensive)
• 16gb of RAM (I tend to run a VM, IDEs, and have a bunch of chrome tabs open, so I need the memory) 
• 256gb SSD
• QHD display (I find 1080p too low and much about QHD to be unbearable due to scaling) 
• Trackpad/Keyboard (this would limit me to XPS 15/rMBP/T460 -- I think it was the T460) 
• Good battery life 
• OSX/iOS integration (specifically messages) 
• OSX 
• Good customer support (if I have a problem I can walk into any Apple store and get it fixed almost instantly, and depending on the issue - at no cost regardless of warranty) 
• Aluminum unibody design (this knocks out the XPS 15) 
• Camera location (this also knocks out the XPS 15) 

[rf9661]

16 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

Well, it comes down to what YOU want and how important those aspects are to YOU. Realize that even with the throttling issues a Blade will yield better gaming performance. 

 

If I had to buy a laptop right now, I would personally go for a Mac, and here would be the reasons why: 

• 15" screen (I find 13-14" too small and 17" too big) 
• Iris Pro (I don't want a dGPU for battery-life reasons, but I'd like the best iGPU available in case I want to do something graphically intensive)
• 16gb of RAM (I tend to run a VM, IDEs, and have a bunch of chrome tabs open, so I need the memory) 
• 256gb SSD
• QHD display (I find 1080p too low and much about QHD to be unbearable due to scaling) 
• Trackpad/Keyboard (this would limit me to XPS 15/rMBP/T460 -- I think it was the T460) 
• Good battery life 
• OSX/iOS integration (specifically messages) 
• OSX 
• Good customer support (if I have a problem I can walk into any Apple store and get it fixed almost instantly, and depending on the issue - at no cost regardless of warranty) 
• Aluminum unibody design (this knocks out the XPS 15) 
• Camera location (this also knocks out the XPS 15) 

I share SO MANY points with you! Do you think the Mac listed below would be able to do CS:GO at 30FPS and Minecraft at 30FPS, both at 1080p? I think both laptops are AMAZING. The only thing holding me back is, Razer's support and software, and the Mac's non-gaming design( although GORGEOUS ) and since it doesn't have a dedicated graphics card. Also, do you know what the 'Intel Iris Pro' actually is, which model is it? I'm eager to see if Apple will release a new MacBook tomorrow! 

 

15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display

• 2.2GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.4GHz
• 16GB 1600MHz DDR3L SDRAM
• 256GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
• Intel Iris Pro Graphics
• Force Touch trackpad
• Backlit Keyboard (English) & User's Guide
• Accessory Kit

 

OR

 

13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display

2.7GHz Dual-core Intel Core i5, Turbo Boost up to 3.1GHz

8GB 1866MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM

256GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

Intel Iris Graphics 6100

Force Touch trackpad

Backlit Keyboard (English) & User's Guide

[79wjd]

Just now, rf9661 said:

I share SO MANY points with you! Do you think the Mac listed below would be able to do CS:GO at 30FPS and Minecraft at 30FPS, both at 1080p? I think both laptops are AMAZING. The only thing holding me back is, Razer's support and software, and the Mac's non-gaming design( although GORGEOUS ) and since it doesn't have a dedicated graphics card. Also, do you know what the 'Intel Iris Pro' actually is, which model is it? I'm eager to see if Apple will release a new MacBook tomorrow! 

If the Macs are Skylake-based, then it will be HD580. Although it's also possible it will be Kaby Lake based (I have no idea if Kaby Lake will have any meaningful iGPU boosts like Broadwell did).

 

And don't get your hopes up too high, there's basically no chance it will be announced tomorrow. 

 

And I get about 50-60fps (@1200p, high settings) with Haswell Iris Pro (which is noticeably slower than Skylake Iris Pro) in CSGO. 

[rf9661]

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

If the Macs are Skylake-based, then it will be HD580. Although it's also possible it will be Kaby Lake based (I have no idea if Kaby Lake will have any meaningful iGPU boosts like Broadwell did).

 

And don't get your hopes up too high, there's basically no chance it will be announced tomorrow. 

 

And I get about 50-60fps (@1200p, high settings) with Haswell Iris Pro (which is noticeably slower than Skylake Iris Pro) in CSGO. 

So the model I will be getting will be newer than yours too. What year is yours?

[79wjd]

10 minutes ago, rf9661 said:

So the model I will be getting will be newer than yours too. What year is yours?

Late 2013 -- basically the same as the currently available one. If you wait until the new ones are released (probably in October), then you'd be getting a Skylake or Kaby Lake based Mac.

[rf9661]

1 minute ago, djdwosk97 said:

Late 2013 -- basically the same as the currently available one. If you wait until the new ones are released (probably in October), then you'd be getting a Skylake or Kaby Lake based Mac.

Yeah! I plan on purchasing it some time in early December. I used to have a MacBook Pro Mid 2012 and I sold it this year. It was a fantastic laptop while it lasted. It worked flawlessly during the 1st year then I noticed that it started to slowdown. I must say though, it was the cheapest config so I mustn't complain. The past 2 years it was basically unusable. It wasn't even a 1080p display.

[shippage]

I mean I don't see any software being on better on a mac. I have a MacBook and just threw BootCamp on it and haven't booted up into OSX in about a month. Windows on a MacBook runs alright, not as good as it does on OSX. But with OSX things are also much more poorly optimized so you don't get full performance there either.

 

But, my computing habits are different than yours. So I would say it comes down to what OS you think you'd be using majority of the time. If OSX, then go Macbook. If Windows, go Razor.

 

I'm currently waiting to get the new Razor Stealth too.