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Do higher refresh rate monitors have higher input latency?

DeadlyPilot
By DeadlyPilot
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Looking at this database http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/, higher refresh rate monitors seem to generally have a higher input latency. So if this is true, are most people wrong about 120hz+ monitors being better for twitch shooters? Is this information correct? Is it fair to compare the latency of a high refresh rate monitor vs a low refresh rate monitor?

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Well that database seems to have the Black-to-White response time rather than the Gray-to-Gray. Firstly, we humans cannot notice anything that fast, so there really is no point in looking at response times. What humans CAN notice is the refresh rate (120/144hz). So yes, faster monitors are better for twitch shooters as we can't notice the latency anyway.

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Yeah no you cannot tell the difference between 1ms and 4ms.

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6 minutes ago, Killervolt said:

Well that database seems to have the Black-to-White response time rather than the Gray-to-Gray. Firstly, we humans cannot notice anything that fast

We can definitely see the difference in response times, there's a reason TN is known for having the best motion clarity in comparison to IPS and VA.

It's noticeably less blurry.

 

Adjusting overdrive settings, or whatever your manufacturer calls them (Asus uses TraceFree) it's very visible the differences the adjustments make to the millisecond pixel response times.

 

OP wasn't asking about G2G response times though anyway.

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7 minutes ago, Killervolt said:

Well that database seems to have the Black-to-White response time rather than the Gray-to-Gray. Firstly, we humans cannot notice anything that fast, so there really is no point in looking at response times. What humans CAN notice is the refresh rate (120/144hz). So yes, faster monitors are better for twitch shooters as we can't notice the latency anyway.

so your saying because i cant notice that someone else starts shooting at me first it doesnt matter?

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Also that site shows 144hz monitors having 10ms of input lag anyway which is about as good as it gets on there, so I don't understand the issue here.

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6 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Yeah no you cannot tell the difference between 1ms and 4ms.

Im talking about input lag not response time. This site tests over all latency, which includes response time

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Im talking about input lag not response time. This site tests over all latency, which includes response time

Well the average human response time is about 215 milliseconds. It won't add much to your response time. Remember that all professional gamers will use these kinds of monitors.

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Also that site shows 144hz monitors having 10ms of input lag anyway which is about as good as it gets on there, so I don't understand the issue here.

Thats one monitor. Other than that one monitor, they easily score above 20ms. I thought a higher refresh rate should result in lower latency since after all, the image is being refreshed more frequently. If these results are accurate, then many people spending hundreds to get higher refresh rates are getting the opposite of what they want. 

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I don't know that site, first time I have seen it. tftcentral.co.uk does the best monitor reviews of anyone and the amount of latency monitors show seems to be all but random. It doesn't seem to tie up with any particular technology (like Nvision 2) and sometimes you can't understand the marketing for gaming when the monitor clearly has high latency. But look you don't buy any 144hz monitor you buy 1 monitor, so it only takes 1 with the ideal mix of features for you, the fact that there are many rubbish monitors on the market is kind of irrelevant.

 

Generally 144hz is less latency and that added refresh rate with the right amount of overdrive and such they can be great, but many of them actually aren't.

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8 minutes ago, DeadlyPilot said:

Im talking about input lag not response time. This site tests over all latency, which includes response time

Look at the stickies in displays. GTG and all that are pure marketing

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1 minute ago, DeadlyPilot said:

Thats one monitor. Other than that one monitor, they easily score above 20ms. I thought a higher refresh rate should result in lower latency since after all the image is being refreshed more frequently 

They have 6 144hz monitors on their site, 3 of which got 10ms.

I don't know what's wrong with the other 3, but I'd trust other reviewers more.

With these monitors simply not having a certain setting enabled can make the difference between 10ms or 30ms, the LG 24GM77 is an example of this.

 

If the reviewer is simply not configuring the monitor properly and using out of the box settings that could explain it.

 

Also on one of the monitors DisplayLag measured 28ms on, TomsHardware measured 16ms.

So I don't know what the hell is happening there

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3 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Look at the stickies in displays. GTG and all that are pure marketing

Not when they're being tested and provided by reviewers...

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30 minutes ago, DeadlyPilot said:

Looking at this database http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/, higher refresh rate monitors seem to generally have a higher input latency. So if this is true, are most people wrong about 120hz+ monitors being better for twitch shooters? Is this information correct? Is it fair to compare the latency of a high refresh rate monitor vs a low refresh rate monitor?

Well there are exceptions to every rule... That being said, typically the higher your refresh rate, the lower your input lag (take note that input lag is different than response time). The reason for this is quite simple. if you have a 60hz monitor, the information on screen is going to update every 16.67 ms. that is to say, a new frame will draw every 16.67 ms. A 144Hz monitor will draw a new frame every 6.94 ms. That is nearly 10ms off the input lag of the monitor simply by how often it updates itself. That is 10ms off you getting the information you need in order to pwn noobs. There are other factors that affect input lag somewhat, but largely speaking this is why higher refresh monitors result in lower input lag. Again, there are exceptions to that rule and there are likely some higher refresh rate monitors out there that are maybe not as snappy as others, but overall its sound reasoning.

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15 minutes ago, DeadlyPilot said:

Thats one monitor. Other than that one monitor, they easily score above 20ms. I thought a higher refresh rate should result in lower latency since after all the image is being refreshed more frequently 

So basically the site that i linked is probably BS correct? It did show up in one of linus's videos but they never mentioned anything about it. It was just shown in the video. So idk

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It's hard to find proper reviews for things, and many settings can increase or decrease the input lag of a monitor.

Many monitor's come with a specific mode designed to reduce input lag.

 

You just have to try to find very professional reviews that test nearly everything, which can be hard to find honestly, often nobody competent has reviewed a specific monitor in good detail. 

Many of the best reviews will be from foreign websites that are German or Korean, Japanese etc.

TFTCentral and PCMonitors.info are some of the best English review sites, but they can't review everything and there's so many monitors out there.

Prad.de is one of the popular foreign review sites.

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1 hour ago, DeadlyPilot said:

Looking at this database http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/, higher refresh rate monitors seem to generally have a higher input latency. So if this is true, are most people wrong about 120hz+ monitors being better for twitch shooters? Is this information correct? Is it fair to compare the latency of a high refresh rate monitor vs a low refresh rate monitor?

After you flip a few pages and get into the sections where there are tons of 120 Hz displays, they're pretty much all TVs, not monitors, which is why they have such "high" latency, although the difference between 10 ms and 20 ms is unnoticeable anyway.

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