NVIDIA Announces Tegra 'Parker'

[79wjd]

1 hour ago, AluminiumTech said:

Denver performance is usually good but I think they were worried about power consumption.

 

 

Power consumption in a car? 

 

(I've only half-read this thread....so I may be making a wrong assumption)

[AlTech]

1 hour ago, djdwosk97 said:

Power consumption in a car? 

 

(I've only half-read this thread....so I may be making a wrong assumption)

Yeah. Car power consumptions is very important.

 

Also, it's being used in the Nintendo NX which needs low power.

[HKZeroFive]

13 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Also, it's being used in the Nintendo NX which needs low power.

If it was, it would have to be a modified version. Even then, Denver cores are quite different to your typical, traditional processors. It seems unlikely that the Nintendo NX would be sporting this.

[Sakkura]

5 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

 

Based o the language of the article, it seems to only be applying to phones and phablets. As long as the ARM tablet market is around, Nvidia would love to have a piece of it.

Given how the tablet market is doing, the phone SOC market should be something they'd love even more to have a piece of. I think this is more about them struggling to hit smartphone TDPs, and choosing to play to their strength of high GPU performance (at higher TDP) instead.

[patrickjp93]

1 hour ago, HKZeroFive said:

If it was, it would have to be a modified version. Even then, Denver cores are quite different to your typical, traditional processors. It seems unlikely that the Nintendo NX would be sporting this.

Nvidia and Nintendo already confirmed it is a Parker Tegra being used for the NX.

[patrickjp93]

2 hours ago, djdwosk97 said:

Power consumption in a car? 

 

(I've only half-read this thread....so I may be making a wrong assumption)

Yes, that is a situation where power draw is incredibly important lest you fry the battery, alternators, or both.

[HKZeroFive]

1 minute ago, patrickjp93 said:

Nvidia and Nintendo already confirmed it is a Parker Tegra being used for the NX.

Source?

[79wjd]

2 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

Yes, that is a situation where power draw is incredibly important lest you fry the battery, alternators, or both.

You're taking about what...like a 10w difference? 

[patrickjp93]

5 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

You're taking about what...like a 10w difference? 

Probably 25W since it'll have to perform in a hot environment which will increase leakage, but think about your car battery vs. a UPS battery pack. The total power storage is only a factor of 2 or 3 higher. Even if you're not feeding a 95W TDP CPU, you still should be optimizing for power consumption when programming things for cars. This is especially true for Teslas.

[patrickjp93]

10 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

Source?

Read the sources of this article and ignore the venue. http://www.christiantoday.com.au/article/nintendo.nx.latest.news.updates.powered.with.nvidia.tegra.x2.ea.joins.the.line.up/22534.htm

[HKZeroFive]

6 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

Read the sources of this article and ignore the venue. http://www.christiantoday.com.au/article/nintendo.nx.latest.news.updates.powered.with.nvidia.tegra.x2.ea.joins.the.line.up/22534.htm

No official confirmation but at least the rumoured specs of the 'Tegra X2' line up with those of the Tegra Parker.

[patrickjp93]

21 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

No official confirmation but at least the rumoured specs of the 'Tegra X2' line up with those of the Tegra Parker.

It is official. Look at the sources. Also, "confirmed" is right in the article.

[HKZeroFive]

50 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

It is official. Look at the sources. Also, "confirmed" is right in the article.

'It looks like everything we thought we knew about the Nintendo NX could be thrown out the window if the Tegra X2 and modular controller rumors are accurate.' - from the source of that article.

 

Why the Denver cores? It makes no sense for Nintendo's NX.

[patrickjp93]

1 hour ago, HKZeroFive said:

'It looks like everything we thought we knew about the Nintendo NX could be thrown out the window if the Tegra X2 and modular controller rumors are accurate.' - from the source of that article.

 

Why the Denver cores? It makes no sense for Nintendo's NX.

Yes it does. Performance doesn't come for free. Maybe A72 wasn't good enough.

[HKZeroFive]

3 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

Yes it does. Performance doesn't come for free. Maybe A72 wasn't good enough.

IIRC, Denver was originally designed to execute ARM and x86 code so one problem arises from that: Intel's hold on x86 and the legality of it.

 

On top of that, Denver's performance in benchmarks didn't translate particularly well into real-world performance. I don't see where NVIDIA and Nintendo are exactly going with Tegra Parker if they do use it.

[patrickjp93]

9 hours ago, HKZeroFive said:

IIRC, Denver was originally designed to execute ARM and x86 code so one problem arises from that: Intel's hold on x86 and the legality of it.

 

On top of that, Denver's performance in benchmarks didn't translate particularly well into real-world performance. I don't see where NVIDIA and Nintendo are exactly going with Tegra Parker if they do use it.

Denver had amazing performance in a number of areas. It smashed the A8 processor's numbers and forced Apple to release a tri-core A8X to remain competitive.

 

And so what if Nvidia can't execute x86 code? Programming for ARM is not so different from programming for x86 unless you're working at the assembly level.

[HKZeroFive]

2 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

Denver had amazing performance in a number of areas. It smashed the A8 processor's numbers and forced Apple to release a tri-core A8X to remain competitive.

 

And so what if Nvidia can't execute x86 code? Programming for ARM is not so different from programming for x86 unless you're working at the assembly level.

Yes, but it was also very inconsistent. To quote AnandTech, 'Ultimately this kind of inconsistent performance is a risk and a challenge for Denver. While no single SoC tops every last CPU benchmark, we also don’t typically see the kind of large variations that are occurring with Denver. If Denver’s lows are too low, then it definitely impacts the suitability of the SoC for high-end devices, as users have come to expect peppy performance at all times.'

 

If NVIDIA can't execute x86 code, that may place some restrictions on cross-platform development. I still don't see why they're using A57s and Denver for Nintendo's NX.

[patrickjp93]

1 hour ago, HKZeroFive said:

Yes, but it was also very inconsistent. To quote AnandTech, 'Ultimately this kind of inconsistent performance is a risk and a challenge for Denver. While no single SoC tops every last CPU benchmark, we also don’t typically see the kind of large variations that are occurring with Denver. If Denver’s lows are too low, then it definitely impacts the suitability of the SoC for high-end devices, as users have come to expect peppy performance at all times.'

 

If NVIDIA can't execute x86 code, that may place some restrictions on cross-platform development. I still don't see why they're using A57s and Denver for Nintendo's NX.

Because performance and efficiency. It was the first crack at VLIW in a long time. No one reasonably expected it to be flawless the first time around.

[vanished]

Didn't we hear just a little while ago that nvidia was shutting down the whole tegra line?

[Fgtfv567]

Can we see a new shield device based on this new soc for 2016?

[vanished]

1 hour ago, Fgtfv567 said:

Can we see a new shield device based on this new soc for 2016?

I'd like that too but I doubt it.

[Ridska]

I wonder what would spiderman and peter parker would say...

 

[HKZeroFive]

8 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

Because performance and efficiency. It was the first crack at VLIW in a long time. No one reasonably expected it to be flawless the first time around.

We'll see. Denver was a failure the first time round, so here's hoping they get it right this time.

[patrickjp93]

8 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

We'll see. Denver was a failure the first time round, so here's hoping they get it right this time.

It was a big success. Nvidia made back its R&D 3x over.

[HKZeroFive]

19 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

It was a big success. Nvidia made back its R&D 3x over.

I'll need a source for that.

 

The only product that used it was the Nexus 9, and that had sluggish sales figures. For a company that invested so much into Denver, only to have it in a single product which yielded poor sales (which was primarily due to the overheating and stuttering), I'd call that a failure to be honest.