nVidia has a GTX1060 with only 3GB of VRAM, but that's not all

[Prysin]

4 minutes ago, aisle9 said:

*looks at his GT 730

*looks at the GT 430 that is literally the exact same thing, just $5 on Craigslist instead of $20

*curses NVIDIA

told ya....

R7 is just meant to "get a image on screen" and "allowing for multiple monitors"...

R5/R7 is about the same as most Intel HD graphics in power. Same applies to Nv GT series....

[Noctus]

15 hours ago, Rune said:

Still running a 3gb 780ti.

Still just fine.

 

14 hours ago, Accursed Entity said:

and here I am with GTX780 3GB playing at 1440p lol what the hell are you guys arguing about 3gb being too low...

 

9 hours ago, bobhays said:

I'd have to disagree with those who say 3GB is too small. A game that uses 3GB does not mean it needs 3GB. I've been running a 2GB card for a couple years at 1080p and never had a vram problem.  I understand there may be a rare case like black ops 3, but I think the vast vast majority of games are fine with 3.

Yeah..... i'm sitting here going "wtf" since i used to play gta5 on med-high settings on my twin frzr 570 until i upgraded...... 3 gig is plenty for 1080 lol.

[Dackzy]

Before my second 780ti took a shit (yes I have had two 780ti's die on me), I started to run into vram problems, this is now 9 months ago and I started to get problems 2-3 months before that, so that means that about 11-12 months ago I started to notice that 3gb was not enough for every game at high or ultra settings at 1080p gaming. Also I don't like this move Nvidia just did, remove cores and remove 3gb of ram, that is not okay if you are going to call it a 1060, it should have been a 1050 or 1050ti, since it has less cores than the 6gb 1060, it would have been fine IMO if it only was the ram they removed.

[deviant88]

On 8/13/2016 at 7:42 PM, zMeul said:

not like AMD has a 8GB RX480 and a 4GB RX480 

But both 480's have same core count i think the whole point was about people being fooled at the core count not the memory size.

[zMeul]

36 minutes ago, deviant88 said:

But both 480's have same core count i think the whole point was about people being fooled at the core count not the memory size.

potato / patato - the 4G RX480 has lower speed VRAM and lower bandwith too, compared to the 8GB model

don't forget that

[Citadelen]

10 hours ago, Dackzy said:

-snip-

Double Ds...

No brain... Bad brain...

[zMeul]

and here is yet another reason not to buy a 3GB card nowadays: you like to record your gaming sessions? like to stream on Twitch?

well ... OBS (NVENC H.264) is using ~200MB more VRAM, on top of what the game is using

 

[Vegetable]

On 8/13/2016 at 10:48 AM, DominicNikon said:

GTA V uses 3.5-3.7gb of vram on my GTX 980 at 1080p

My 970 easily uses 3.7gb on texture modded GTA V

[Misanthrope]

2 minutes ago, zMeul said:

and here is yet another reason not to buy a 3GB card nowadays: you like to record your gaming sessions? like to stream on Twitch?

well ... OBS is using ~200MB more VRAM, on top of what the game is using

 

Yeah, like streamers are going to get a 1060 or 480. Any serious streamers are using at least a 1070 or 1080 or equivalent high end maxwell gpus and they also have beefy CPUs since shadow play and VCE encoding looks worst than straight CPU

[Hunter259]

3 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Yeah, like streamers are going to get a 1060 or 480. Any serious streamers are using at least a 1070 or 1080 or equivalent high end maxwell gpus and they also have beefy CPUs since shadow play and VCE encoding looks worst than straight CPU

If they are playing at 1080p a 1060 can max nearly 100% of games. 

[zMeul]

6 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Yeah, like streamers are going to get a 1060 or 480. Any serious streamers are using at least a 1070 or 1080 or equivalent high end maxwell gpus and they also have beefy CPUs since shadow play and VCE encoding looks worst than straight CPU

I'm not talking about people that already make money off their streams - starting people will get low budgets to build their rigs, then upgrade

people that are serious about streaming are doing it with external HW

 

me, I'm uploading gameplay to YT from time to time - some of the time to show some technical aspect while other just because I want to show gameplay

I don't own a GTX1070, not even a GTX1060 - even if I got a Skylake; a new video card was not in the plan 

 

even if it's just 200MB,

you already take a ~10FPS avg penalty for running OBS on top of your game, how do you think those 3GB cards will fair!? not so good

[Misanthrope]

7 minutes ago, zMeul said:

I'm not talking about people that already make money off their streams

So they don't matter: they wouldn't care about a few settings lower here and there, bit more vram being utilized meaning less AA or lower textures, they'd just want to stream and high quality wouldn't be priority which was my point.

[zMeul]

7 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

So they don't matter: they wouldn't care about a few settings lower here and there, bit less vram being utilized meaning less AA or lower textures, they'd just want to stream and high quality wouldn't be priority which was my point.

no it wasn't your point, now you're making it

most people don't even know OBS uses it's own VRAM

 

the point is that the existence of a 3GB VRAM card in today's word is aberrant - low level APIs are the future right? well .. low level APIs use more VRAM at the exact same quality setting vs old APIs

I was seeing nearly 3GB of VRAM usage back on my R9 280X with Sniper Elite 3 and Mantle API

[marldorthegreat]

11 hours ago, Atmos said:

@MajesticCan backup that gta5 when rendered in 1080p on my 390 runs over 3.3gbs of vram consistently.

Thats a much higher end gpu, that can use more vram. The 1060 3gb wont be running games at those settings, and therefore will use less ram. 

[Misanthrope]

Just now, zMeul said:

no it wasn't your point, now you're making it

It was, I basically clarified it. In case that:

 

1) It wasn't perfectly clear (English is my second language after all)

2) Someone misinterprets it

3) Someone intentionally misconstrues it.

 

Regardless even if I "changed" it I am allowed to qualify my statements because of points 1 through 3, bye.

 

[Atmos]

5 hours ago, marldorthegreat said:

Thats a much higher end gpu, that can use more vram. The 1060 3gb wont be running games at those settings, and therefore will use less ram. 

You, you do realize that the 390, 970, and 1060/480 all perform very similar... right? The 390 is barely faster than the alternatives; and while nvidia may be more efficient with its vram usage and memory bandwidth, its certainly not enough to stop a card from pulling that many textures into memory. There are games out there that will hit that 3gb cap, not many, but they do exist; which is all that I'm saying.

[-BirdiE-]

For the love of god, stop naming different cards the same thing!

These are some shady business practices from Nvidia... Not that we should be surprised after the gem that was the 1060 vs 480 performance chart shown at launch.

 

 

 

Also, I'm not about to jump in on the "is 3GB VRAM enough" debate, since I really haven't done enough research on the topic... But...

to all those simply looking at VRAM usage on cards that have more VRAM, that is not a valid test. If your GPU has more memory, the GPU will use more memory than the minimum needed to keep it from becoming a bottleneck.

Your GPU will keep data they need for other parts of the game loaded so they don't have to load it again later. If your card is running out of VRAM, it will more aggressively clear data it doesn't need.

 

Best way to test it is to see if there are significant scaling differences between resolutions on the same settings.

For example, if running at 720p you're getting 200fps, and then running at 1080p you're getting 30fps... There's definitely a bottleneck.

[flibberdipper]

On 8/13/2016 at 11:47 AM, Majestic said:

Show me the benchmark where the 780TI tanks on 1080p due to memory constraints.

Run Fallout 4 at the absolute maximum settings. It will murder VRAM.

[DarkBlade2117]

10 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

Yeah, like streamers are going to get a 1060 or 480. Any serious streamers are using at least a 1070 or 1080 or equivalent high end maxwell gpus and they also have beefy CPUs since shadow play and VCE encoding looks worst than straight CPU

Not quite... It doesn't take much to stream, and any streamer who makes a separate PC to just stream is quite honestly, imo, stupid. Look at my specs, oh ewww an i3, yet I can stream... Everyone acts like editing, recording, ect requires an i7, but no one has tried it.

Also, no, not every streamer has some high end ass PC. I'll name a few GPU's that some serious streamers use. GTX 780, One who uses a second PC to stream has an HD7750 in it, a 1GB card and even then, the main PC only has a 780. One has a GTX 770, and some are pretty stupid and they've got a 980Ti but 90% of their stream is fucking Minecraft.

CPUs? Ya, few have 5820k's and 5960x's, which again is stupid for a streamer. But high end to you, may different from me, but most streamers I watch have 4770k's, 4790k's, 2700k's, ect.

No idea why I am ranting............................................... ;/

[STRMfrmXMN]

Something tells me this will be the equivalent of a 650ti Boost from a number of years ago

[Bleedingyamato]

19 minutes ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

Something tells me this will be the equivalent of a 650ti Boost from a number of years ago

What's that?

[Bleedingyamato]

On August 13, 2016 at 10:44 AM, zMeul said:

source: http://videocardz.com/63134/nvidia-confirms-geforce-gtx-1060-3gb-has-1152-cuda-cores

via: https://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/3GB-Version-NVIDIA-GTX-1060-Has-128-Fewer-CUDA-Cores

 

 

 

 

and it begs the question, why didn't nVidia named the 6BG variant GTX 1060Ti and keep the 3GB as just GTX 1060

or, name the 3GB variant as GTX 1050 ?!

this naming scheme and the CUDA core difference between them will create confusion

 

and I kinda' have a huge issue with 3GB of VRAM, even at 1080p, you will gonna hit the limit in some games - if you start modding them you're definitely gonna hit the limit

Can you explain what the issue is?  I'm confused.

 

Having 2 versions of a card one with more VRAM isn't anything new.  I admit 3GB sounds a bit low nowadays but it's not that bad I'd assume.  Not sure one way or the other since I hwve no idea exactly how much VRAM games typically use currently.

 

Is there more to this besides the VRAM variant that is a problem here?

[Noctus]

24 minutes ago, DarkBlade2117 said:

Not quite... It doesn't take much to stream, and any streamer who makes a separate PC to just stream is quite honestly, imo, stupid. Look at my specs, oh ewww an i3, yet I can stream... Everyone acts like editing, recording, ect requires an i7, but no one has tried it.

Also, no, not every streamer has some high end ass PC. I'll name a few GPU's that some serious streamers use. GTX 780, One who uses a second PC to stream has an HD7750 in it, a 1GB card and even then, the main PC only has a 780. One has a GTX 770, and some are pretty stupid and they've got a 980Ti but 90% of their stream is fucking Minecraft.

CPUs? Ya, few have 5820k's and 5960x's, which again is stupid for a streamer. But high end to you, may different from me, but most streamers I watch have 4770k's, 4790k's, 2700k's, ect.

No idea why I am ranting............................................... ;/

So basically you're saying @DarkBlade2117's point is correct and @zMeul is wrong and 3gb cards are still viable?

[STRMfrmXMN]

12 minutes ago, Bleedingyamato said:

What's that?

The 650ti Boost was a card sold a number of years ago. The 750ti is a more recent version of it, I suppose. Maybe this will be a 1050ti. The "Boost" referred to a well overclocked 650ti card and there never was one for the 750ti. Maybe we'll get one nowadays?

[Bleedingyamato]

2 minutes ago, STRMfrmXMN said:

The 650ti Boost was a card sold a number of years ago. The 750ti is a more recent version of it, I suppose. Maybe this will be a 1050ti. The "Boost" referred to a well overclocked 650ti card and there never was one for the 750ti. Maybe we'll get one nowadays?

Isn't that kind of pointless though?

 

I mean if someone wants a higher performing card they'd get better performance out of the next card up vs a high factory overclocked lesser card wouldn't they?