NVIDIA Prepping High-Performance Volta GPU Lineup

[Coaxialgamer]

Is nvidia scared of vega or something ? If they release volta too soon , they'll completely overshadow pascal .

[patrickjp93]

1 hour ago, Coaxialgamer said:

Is nvidia scared of vega or something ? If they release volta too soon , they'll completely overshadow pascal .

Nvidia has contract obligations with the DOE to supply Volta chips though, so it doesn't have much choice.

[Senzelian]

On 14.8.2016 at 9:22 AM, Bleedingyamato said:

Is this Volta thing the next generation of Nvidia cards after the 1060/1070/1080?

(Those are pascal correct?)

Yes, absolutely correct.

 

[Coaxialgamer]

32 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

Nvidia has contract obligations with the DOE to supply Volta chips though, so it doesn't have much choice.

DOE ?

[patrickjp93]

Just now, Coaxialgamer said:

DOE ?

Department of Energy. They're on contract for the Summit and Sierra supercomputers built at Oak Ridge and (iirc) Livermore, and they have to provide sample Volta chips by mid March. I'm also wondering where IBM's announcements for the Power 9 chips are, because they're on the same contract.

[Coaxialgamer]

1 minute ago, patrickjp93 said:

Department of Energy. They're on contract for the Summit and Sierra supercomputers built at Oak Ridge and (iirc) Livermore, and they have to provide sample Volta chips by mid March. I'm also wondering where IBM's announcements for the Power 9 chips are, because they're on the same contract.

oh . But they have to provide sample chips , that means they can keep their initial roadmap for 2018 volta release , right ? After all , they provided gp100 chips as samples to their partners , but they aren't aren't selling them to anyone yet 

[patrickjp93]

3 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

oh . But they have to provide sample chips , that means they can keep their initial roadmap for 2018 volta release , right ? After all , they provided gp100 chips as samples to their partners , but they aren't aren't selling them to anyone yet 

The initial roadmap was late 2016, so I'm not sure where you're getting 2018 from.

 

GP100 is selling, just in sets of 1000 for now.

[Coaxialgamer]

2 minutes ago, patrickjp93 said:

The initial roadmap was late 2016, so I'm not sure where you're getting 2018 from.

 

GP100 is selling, just in sets of 1000 for now.

nvidia's official roadmap

[patrickjp93]

2 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

 

Before Pascal was a product, Volta was set for 2017, and GPU architectures are planned out multiple years in advance, so it's not like it's not ready.

[i_build_nanosuits]

at this rate...AMD will be all done with by christmas.

[i_build_nanosuits]

50 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

nvidia's official roadmap

no, that is wrong...here is the actual NVIDIA's official roadmap:

 

 

[ACatWithThumbs]

4 hours ago, Coaxialgamer said:

nvidia's official roadmap

They had Volta originally planned for 2016/2017 :



Volta's architecture itself is probably already done.
The chip simply got pushed back because of the 20nm delay and then the HBM 2.0 delay.

If you look at the road maps you'll notice neither Pascal nor Maxwell have the features they were supposed to have and had to be refitted due to the delays.
Hopefully Volta will get Nvidia back on track.
 

[Coaxialgamer]

1 minute ago, JasonRoGo said:

They had Volta originally planned for 2016/2017 :


Volta's architecture itself is probably already done.
The chip simply got pushed back because of the 20nm delay and then the HBM 2.0 delay.

If you look at the road maps you'll notice neither Pascal nor Maxwell have the features they were supposed to have.
 

that's an old roadmap though .  Intel also had roadmaps that were WAY off , mostly because of issues associated with smaller processes.

[ACatWithThumbs]

3 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

that's an old roadmap though .  Intel also had roadmaps that were WAY off , mostly because of issues associated with smaller processes.

Yes, but Volta was already in development at that point.
They weren't expecting the delays at the time especially not HBM 2.0 as you can even see them promising 3D memory on Pascal just earlier this year.

 

[dalekphalm]

22 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

Nvidia has contract obligations with the DOE to supply Volta chips though, so it doesn't have much choice.

While that might be true, they can easily fulfill their contract obligations without releasing a retail product. They get early samples out and tested and sent over, and then the DOE gets first pick as the new batches come off the line.

22 hours ago, patrickjp93 said:

Department of Energy. They're on contract for the Summit and Sierra supercomputers built at Oak Ridge and (iirc) Livermore, and they have to provide sample Volta chips by mid March. I'm also wondering where IBM's announcements for the Power 9 chips are, because they're on the same contract.

Also, since March is in 2017, and we can reasonably assume that the DOE would get first pick (or near first pick, with other similar contracts getting similar treatment), the rumours that Volta are "coming soon" are no more true then anything else. March 2017 is almost a year away still. That's not soon. Not like people in this threat are misinterpreting as, anyway.

 

People see this thread and immediately think "OMG Volta must be coming out by, uhm... OCTOBER!" and of course, they're pulling whatever random date they come up with out of their ass, probably subconsciously.

[NinjaJc01]

On 8/12/2016 at 9:49 PM, don_svetlio said:

60% better than the 970 under Vulkan

But the 970 is not the parallel card to the RX 480. The 970 is last gen, and is quite a bit cheaper.

[don_svetlio]

Just now, NinjaJc01 said:

But the 970 is not the parallel card to the RX 480. The 970 is last gen, and is quite a bit cheaper.

Erm? 480 is 200$, 970 is 250$.

[typographie]

On 8/12/2016 at 4:25 PM, VagabondWraith said:

I am curious to see if they manage to implement Asynchronous Compute into Volta considering its a brand new architecture.

Both Pascal and Maxwell have multiple hardware queues and therefore have "hardware support for asynchronous compute." It's disabled at the driver level for Maxwell (which is to say, all instructions are forced through a single hardware queue despite multiple queues being present) and at this point will likely never be enabled. Pascal has support at the hardware and software level and shows improvements with asynchronous compute enabled, even if the improvements are smaller than those for GCN cards.

 

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/3DMark-Time-Spy-Looking-DX12-Asynchronous-Compute-Performance

http://www.futuremark.com/pressreleases/a-closer-look-at-asynchronous-compute-in-3dmark-time-spy

[NinjaJc01]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

Erm? 480 is 200$, 970 is 250$.

In the UK, it's £260 for a Sapphire RX 480.

Or £195 for a EVGA GTX 970.

[don_svetlio]

Just now, NinjaJc01 said:

In the UK, it's £260 for a Sapphire RX 480.

Or £195 for a EVGA GTX 970.

But the 480 is more powerful? The performance equivalent to the 970 is the 470.

[NinjaJc01]

2 minutes ago, don_svetlio said:

But the 480 is more powerful? The performance equivalent to the 970 is the 470.

Yes, and? Therefore, comparing the GTX 970 and RX 480 is kind of unfair. Vulcan doesn't really matter at the moment, there are only like 2 games that use it, and there's not that much difference for a lot of cards.

[don_svetlio]

Just now, NinjaJc01 said:

Yes, and? Therefore, comparing the GTX 970 and RX 480 is kind of unfair. Vulcan doesn't really matter at the moment, there are only like 2 games that use it, and there's not that much difference for a lot of cards.

What about DX12? Where the 480 is 20-30% faster? There are over 12 games available which use DX12 with 20 more announced for 2016/2017 release

[NinjaJc01]

Just now, don_svetlio said:

What about DX12? Where the 480 is 20-30% faster? There are over 12 games available which use DX12 with 20 more announced for 2016/2017 release

But the 480 is more money...

[don_svetlio]

Just now, NinjaJc01 said:

But the 480 is more money...

For you maybe. For me it's cheaper and is 10-20% faster.

[NinjaJc01]

1 minute ago, don_svetlio said:

For you maybe. For me it's cheaper and is 10-20% faster.

Eh, that's how UK prices work. In the UK, it's more than 20% cheaper, so price to performance for the RX 480 is worse (Based on the percentages you gave me).