GTX 1060M Laptop Pricing

[Aereldor]

Greetings.

 

The GTX 960M Laptop GPU has been seen in some pretty cheap offerings- as low as $750 from Asus and Dell, albeit with questionable quality control on those models. They're also frequently paired with either the Core i5 6200u or 6300HQ. My guess is that the new Pascal mobile GPUs will either be paired with them, and eventually the upcoming Kabylake U and HQ CPUs.

 

Since I've resolved to hold off on purchasing a laptop, I was wondering what an equivalent laptop with 1060M or even a 1050M - rumoured to be far more powerful chips than their predecessors - would cost. Your guess is probably better than mine.

Regards,
Aereldor.

[ShadowCaptain]

7 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

 Your guess is probably better than mine.

It would only be a guess

 

its 100% impossible to speculate, just wait for the news!

[AlTech]

52 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

Greetings.

 

The GTX 960M Laptop GPU has been seen in some pretty cheap offerings- as low as $750 from Asus and Dell, albeit with questionable quality control on those models. They're also frequently paired with either the Core i5 6200u or 6300HQ. My guess is that the new Pascal mobile GPUs will either be paired with them, and eventually the upcoming Kabylake U and HQ CPUs.

 

Since I've resolved to hold off on purchasing a laptop, I was wondering what an equivalent laptop with 1060M or even a 1050M - rumoured to be far more powerful chips than their predecessors - would cost. Your guess is probably better than mine.

Regards,
Aereldor.

The same since the 1060M is the successor to the 960M........

[Pendragon]

28 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

The same since the 1060M is the successor to the 960M........

Uhhh no. U see the 970 cost = 1070 at launch?

 

1 hour ago, Aereldor said:

Since I've resolved to hold off on purchasing a laptop, I was wondering what an equivalent laptop with 1060M or even a 1050M - rumoured to be far more powerful chips than their predecessors - would cost. Your guess is probably better than mine.

Nvidia has done away with their "m" variant and are just stuffing full fat desktop chips in laptops. For now Medion one of Lenovo's subsidiaries has leaked both pricing and specs for some of its laptops in their Erazer lineup. the i7 with a 1060 will retail 1899 of idk. It's a swiss retailer with a german product page so around 1900-2100usd. Given that Europe has always had more expensive stuff than us by about 10-20%, retailing in US would be around 1600-1800 dollars for the 1060. 

 

As there are currently no products in nvidia's line up with a 1050 or a 1050ti, you can speculate that at launch the ones with a 1050 and 1050ti would be around 1400 or so given 1060 laptop pricing. Seems like nvidia has moved everything up a price bracket. 

[AlTech]

1 minute ago, Pendragon said:

Uhhh no. U see the 970 cost = 1070 at launch?

 

Nvidia has done away with their "m" variant and are just stuffing full fat desktop chips in laptops. For now Medion Erazer one of Lenovo's subsidiaries has leaked both pricing and specs for some of its laptops. the i7 with a 1060 will retail 1899 of idk. It's a swiss retailer with a german product page so around 1900-2100usd. Given that Europe has always had more expensive stuff than us by about 10-20%, retailing in US would be around 1600-1800 dollars for the 1060. 

 

As there are currently no products in nvidia's line up with a 1050 or a 1050ti, you can speculate that at launch the ones with a 1050 and 1050ti would be around 1400 or so given 1060 laptop pricing. Seems like nvidia has moved everything up a price bracket. 

WTF. Is Nvidia high? The 1060M has to be in laptops around 1000 or nobody will buy them. And by the way, they are making mobile versions with lower clockspeed and memory speed and lower TDP.

 

The 1070M will be in laptops around 1600-1800 like the overpriced gaming laptop shit it is.

[Pendragon]

Just now, AluminiumTech said:

And by the way, they are making mobile versions with lower clockspeed and memory speed and lower TDP.

I haven't seen any. Link? I know they use downclocked desktop chips for laptops but I haven't heard anything about "m" variants. 

 

Medion Erazer Link: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Medion-Erazer-notebooks-with-GTX-1060-1070-options-leak.171172.0.html

[AlTech]

Just now, Pendragon said:

I haven't seen any. Link? I know they use downclocked desktop chips for laptops but I haven't heard anything about "m" variants. 

 

Medion Erazer Link: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Medion-Erazer-notebooks-with-GTX-1060-1070-options-leak.171172.0.html

I covered a tech news article about the leak of the 1060M and 1070M and how they were leaked to be undercut desktop GPUs.

[Pendragon]

Just now, AluminiumTech said:

I covered a tech news article about the leak of the 1060M and 1070M and how they were leaked to be undercut desktop GPUs.

Interesting. They might use the undercut variants on the lower end. But for the high end they seem to just be stuffing the desktop variant in. 

[exercutor5]

28 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Medion-Erazer-notebooks-with-GTX-1060-1070-options-leak.171172.0.html

That render looks like a very familiar machine.

[Pendragon]

36 minutes ago, exercutor5 said:

That render looks like a very familiar machine.

The P770DM! I would be so hyped if they could fit the 1070 in the P750DM.

Check Eurocom future laptops. http://www.eurocom.com/ec/future()ec

[exercutor5]

1 minute ago, Pendragon said:

The P770DM! I would be so hyped if they could fit the 1070 in the P750DM

It's the P650 series lol

[Pendragon]

1 minute ago, exercutor5 said:

It's the P650 series lol

LOLOL Got carried away. I looking at something else. 

[D2ultima]

2 hours ago, Aereldor said:

I was wondering what an equivalent laptop with 1060M or even a 1050M - rumoured to be far more powerful chips than their predecessors - would cost. Your guess is probably better than mine.

Mobile 1060 is replacing 970M, so expect prices a bit higher than 970Ms. No replacement for 960Ms yet, and even if there were, you'd have to get a much weaker pascal chip to remain cool in that chassis.

1 hour ago, AluminiumTech said:

The 1060M has to be in laptops around 1000 or nobody will buy them.

 

And by the way, they are making mobile versions with lower clockspeed and memory speed and lower TDP.

1 hour ago, AluminiumTech said:

I covered a tech news article about the leak of the 1060M and 1070M and how they were leaked to be undercut desktop GPUs.

 

The 1070M will be in laptops around 1600-1800 like the overpriced gaming laptop shit it is.

 

Mobile 1060 is between 970 and 980 in performance (if it works properly) so no, you're not getting one of those for $1000. Expect closer to about $1400-$1500 I'd say.

 

No, mobile 1060, 1070 and 1080 do *NOT* have any reduced memory speed. Lower clockspeed and TDP yes, but only 7% slower in clock speeds. And in the case of the 1070, it has more cores than the desktop version, so its performance is actually give or take equal (or better, by my calculations, assuming you find a well-working 1070). The 1060 is equal in core count.

 

Since it's replacing the 980M, then it would get 980M prices. So yes, $1600-$1800 USD. Won't argue that it's overpriced though.

24 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

The P770DM! I would be so hyped if they could fit the 1070 in the P750DM.

Check Eurocom future laptops. http://www.eurocom.com/ec/future()ec

P750DM can use a 1070 (from MSI), and the P750DM2 will get a Clevo-branded 1070 as far as I know. The 1080 they probably will not get if I had to guess.

 

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

Now, all this above is assuming you find laptops that actually run these chips properly... nVidia basically designed cards with throttle 3.0 instead of boost 3.0 for mobile. If a 1060 drops its clocks to 1000MHz or less because throttling in a badly designed notebook (which I can wholeheartedly see, since they start throttling around 68c and Pascal is the HOTTEST architecture they've launched in I don't-even-know-how-long, possibly ever), a 970M would be a better card. Fair warning.

[Pendragon]

38 minutes ago, D2ultima said:

And in the case of the 1070, it has more cores than the desktop version

wait wtf? I just assumed the put the desktop one in.

 

edit: holy shit it does have more cores wtf? 1070ti for the laptop lols.

[D2ultima]

5 hours ago, Pendragon said:

wait wtf? I just assumed the put the desktop one in.

 

edit: holy shit it does have more cores wtf? 1070ti for the laptop lols.

Yup. It's a little trick I guess they did. Add a SM, shave off 100MHz clockspeed, suddenly some more efficiency? Pascal is just Maxwell shrunk down and clocked higher, there's ZERO architectural benefit (there's actually a reduction, if you clocked a GTX 1060 and a 970M to the same speed and benched an app unreliant on memory, the 970M would win) so such things help.

[Aereldor]

3 hours ago, Pendragon said:

Uhhh no. U see the 970 cost = 1070 at launch?

 

Nvidia has done away with their "m" variant and are just stuffing full fat desktop chips in laptops. For now Medion one of Lenovo's subsidiaries has leaked both pricing and specs for some of its laptops in their Erazer lineup. the i7 with a 1060 will retail 1899 of idk. It's a swiss retailer with a german product page so around 1900-2100usd. Given that Europe has always had more expensive stuff than us by about 10-20%, retailing in US would be around 1600-1800 dollars for the 1060. 

 

As there are currently no products in nvidia's line up with a 1050 or a 1050ti, you can speculate that at launch the ones with a 1050 and 1050ti would be around 1400 or so given 1060 laptop pricing. Seems like nvidia has moved everything up a price bracket. 

With that sort of pricing, will we be seeing performance benefits for laptops in the sub-$1000 range? Or perhaps we'll see price drops on GTX 960M based laptops.

[Aereldor]

1 hour ago, Wedsea040 said:

I have an i7 6700HQ and a 960m for about 750 and no "questionable quality control"

Your experience has a sample size of one, which is more annoying than it is interesting. An enormous number of reviews on Amazon and Dell's pages for the Inspiron 7559 are of the worst possible rating, and it's mostly due to fatal defects. People have even turned in defective laptops to receive similarly defective replacements.

 

The Dell Inspiron 7559 is one of the only laptops that offers its features and specifications at that price point. For the longest time, I wondered how they made it so darn cheap, and now, it's obvious- by scrapping less defective laptops.

[Pendragon]

4 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

he Dell Inspiron 7559 is one of the only laptops that offers its features and specifications at that price point.

Which the the point of the laptop really. It's price to performance is undeniable. 

 

8 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

will we be seeing performance benefits for laptops in the sub-$1000 range?

You should. 1060 replaces the place that the 970m current places. The 1050(ti) will take the place of 960m. Given that the 1060 has the performance of a 980 give or take, I'll expect that the 1050(ti) to be between the RX460 and RX470. So yes, it'll be better than the 960m (which currently operates in the sub $1000)

[Aereldor]

22 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

Which the the point of the laptop really. It's price to performance is undeniable. 

Please read the rest of my post. I talk about the laptop's enormous quality-control issues and just how that price point is so low.

 

22 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

You should. 1060 replaces the place that the 970m current places. The 1050(ti) will take the place of 960m. Given that the 1060 has the performance of a 980 give or take, I'll expect that the 1050(ti) to be between the RX460 and RX470. So yes, it'll be better than the 960m (which currently operates in the sub $1000)

The 1050 is a culled 1060, so I wonder if it's too much to expect 970-level performance, or the bare minimum for VR.

[Pendragon]

23 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

The 1050 is a culled 1060, so I wonder if it's too much to expect 970-level performance, or the bare minimum for VR.

maybe? http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1050-Ti.168400.0.html

I'd say pessimistically it'll be a 960 desktop. Optimistically 970 desktop. And I understood what you said about QC issues. I simply ment that was the point of the laptop. 

[Aereldor]

@ShadowCaptain, @AluminiumTech, @exercutor5, @D2ultima, @Wedsea040

I believe we may finally have a lead. These images are probably fake, but if we were to assume they're legitimate-

http://imgur.com/a/Wd7f3

The cheapest laptop of the bunch, with a Core i5 6300HQ, 8GB of DDR4 RAM and a 256GB SSD, comes in at about 15,000 Norwegian Kronor, which is roughly equivalent to $1800. If this stuff is cheaper in the US than in other countries (as it almost always is), I think $1500 might be a safe expectation.

 

Furthermore, to all of those who suggested that laptops will contain full (if slightly underclocked) desktop chips- you might just be right.

[exercutor5]

11 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

snip

Wasn't this already mentioned in the WAN show?

[Aereldor]

3 minutes ago, exercutor5 said:

Wasn't this already mentioned in the WAN show?

Indeed.

[D2ultima]

15 minutes ago, Aereldor said:

@ShadowCaptain, @AluminiumTech, @exercutor5, @D2ultima, @Wedsea040

I believe we may finally have a lead. This image is very likely to be fake, but if we were to assume it's legitimate-

<blockquote class="imgur-embed-pub" lang="en" data-id="a/Wd7f3"><a href="//imgur.com/Wd7f3">Asus Pascal laptops?</a></blockquote><script async src="//s.imgur.com/min/embed.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The cheapest laptop of the bunch, with a Core i5 6300HQ, 8GB of DDR4 RAM and a 256GB SSD, comes in at about 15,000 Norwegian Kronor, which is roughly equivalent to $1800. If this stuff is cheaper in the US than in other countries (as it almost always is), I think $1500 might be a safe expectation.

 

Furthermore, to all of those who suggested that laptops will contain full (if slightly underclocked) desktop chips- you might just be right.

The laptops are having NDA lifted on the 16th (aka midnight on the 15th or something, aka tomorrow night).

 

As for "suggested", it was not a suggestion. I know, for certain.

[Pendragon]

@Aereldor The 1060 is not a replacement for the 960m FYI. It's the replacement for the 970m. I don't feel like it's going to be priced similar to the 970m Clevo replacements simply because Nvidia already jacked the prices for the desktop equivalents. The corresponding pascal card 960->1060 is more expensive than Maxwell.