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KenjiD5

Jagged Shadows,Pop in,Low LOD and jagged aa

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5 minutes ago, Meeseeks said:

We would rather believe in some virus that can't cause our specific symptoms. Why are we even talking about it when we know such virus which can affect PCs, Consoles and phones at the same time and cause the symptoms we have does not even exist. On the other hand i have shown many articles on how electricity can affect Electronic devices let alone PCs.

Unless you can cause this exact problem with electrical supply, it is just as valid as damage caused by software.  We know that these systems can be hijacked in this way, just as you know electricity can cause it.  Both are just theories thrown at the wall to see if they stick.

 

BTW, fixed Elite by turning material quality down to medium.  Little to no negative side effects.

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Here are some snippets of the issue.  They are BMP to get away from compression artifacts, and the scene changes a little because the asteroids spin.  May need to zoom on them to see what I am talking about.  Like I said, its a bit different than what others are seeing but is similar in nature.

 

It doesnt look so bad in stills, but in game the dots in high/ultra are so small that they blink on/off as things move.  Causing the surface to shimmer like static on an old TV.

 

Low material detail

Elite - low material.bmp

 

Medium material detail

Elite - medium material.bmp

 

High material detail

Elite - high material.bmp

 

Ultra material detail

Elite - ultra material.bmp

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For me, it only affects PC games, and only some games at that. The desktop and BIOS are fine, as are some games. All of the other devices in my house are unaffected. 

 

There is also the possibility that there are multiple causes for the same symptoms. 

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6 hours ago, can0753 said:

my opinion;

Game resolution and monitor resolution do not match

this is how the problem occurs

 

I thought about that, but every resolution setting in windows and games is correct and I turned GPU scaling off. So where is this error hidden?

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Guys

Ive found a temporary fix but it is on a game to game basis, as in DONT DO THIS GLOBALLY because i assume it will heavily impact the performance of your pc but you can use NVIDIA Inspector to set in game anti-aliasing values to a decent setting so the game doesnt look absolute Freckles these two pictures are from before i did it with the In game MSAA to 8x to the clearer picture having little to no jaggies with tweaked settings in NVIDIA Inspector and keeping the MSAA to 8x in game.

 

Also This is a fix that im not sure if it works on AMD or not because i dont know what the Equivilent is for that.

 

 So, How did i do this, simple. Download NVIDIA Inspector https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/nvidia-inspector-download.html i know the website looks scuffed but its legit.

open it AFTER You set the DirectX version in the game of choice to whatever you desire but for GTAV i noticed it looked MUCH MUCH better with DirectX 10.1 than with DirectX 11 and i know you lose some stuff like sweggy looking grass but that doesnt matter to me.

Open the Nvidia Inspector and click the button in the image, then you get greeted with a screen that looks confusing as hell, dont worry, you'll be fine just read the settings carefully and change them to similar ones to mine and you should be Gucci, you can change what Profile it says by clicking the dropdown menu in the top left, type in the name of the game you are playing and it should show up, click it, boom you're in. Now the only settings you wanna change, Bare in mind these are My settings for GTAV and whatever settings i change i make them the same as the ones i have set in Game. I have MSAA to 8x and Anisotrophic filtering to 16x so just select them to be the same Depending on the settings in the game of your choosing. you wanna change the AntiAliasing Behavior Flags setting to NONE, the Antialiasing mode to Enhance the Application setting, the Setting to whichever you are using in game, make sure it is Multisampling, Change the Transparency Multisampling to Enabled. The Transparency Supersampling to Whatever you want but make sure it it Sparse Grid SuperSampling or SGSS for short as it is fecking beautiful. Scroll down for the last 3 settings you need to change, Anisotropic Filtering mode to User Defined / Off, and the Anisotropic Filtering setting to the one you are using in game, and Texture Filtering  - Quality set it to High Quality, AND FOR THE LOVE OF DINGLES BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR GAME MAKE SURE YOU CLICK APPLY CHANGES IN THE TOP RIGHT.

If you guys Need any Help Just hit me up on here or on Discord and i can try and assist you guys My discord name is Doughnut#9796 and i hope this works for some of you :D image.png.1871e90e94d03149484ba5139397a130.pngimage.png.204ae03e17aac79fed794ea7f822880e.pngimage.png.e92f3ff017e607dce002b467d0bdb971.png
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Lads as you can see it doesnt Entirely Fix Aliasing problems but it does heavily reduce them without giving much of a performance hit from 8x MSAA with Nvidia Inspector Tweaks to normal 8x MSAA at night. Also Dont bother with FXAA on most games, it doesnt work. SGSS is a lifesaver.image.png.9d313833c5997c18c355bb7626c4c5d6.pngimage.png.176361a94cabc2b6c256d3481b03b803.png

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In order to get the proper recognition for this problem, we need to spread it on other forums. The reason why we’re getting nowhere is because the only place that this issue is recognized for EXACTLY what it is (Being a completely randomly triggered phenomenon). We need to also mention that it’s not only a pc problem, that it’s on phones and consoles too. That will help enormously, as you can’t debug graphical settings on consoles and phones like you can on PC, so it’ll silence anybody saying “Your settings aren’t configured right.”  REMEMBER, record the issue with an OUTSIDE CAMERA. Don’t use screenshots or screen recorded footage, as it won’t show up on unaffected hardware.

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yeah but everyone in this thread obviously has the problem hence why we dont NEED to post images through our phones, in game screenshots are better because you can see EXACTLY what we see. in my posts above it doesnt look much different but you can clearly see the difference between the two day time images. If you look at the image fullscreen and zoom in you can see the pole on the right in the first pic is scuffed by jaggies however in the second image there are little to no jaggies, i think the only legit fix for now is using NVIDIA inspector to fix it on a game to game basis But idk i could be wrong and it couldve just fixed my issue. Anyhow if anyone needs help with the NVIDIA Inspector or anything Hit me up on here or Discord - Doughnut#9796

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8x MSAA will somewhat improve the issue, we already know this, but its not a solution. My games looked great even at 2x MSAA and now i need 8x to make them look sort of okay, with half the framerate. That is the problem.

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d0L_0b you keep forgetting that this problem happens with or without antialiasing activated. Using antialiasing only makes things worst in some cases. In other cases, it helps, but then you have shimmering coming from the antialiasing... People keep talking like if this problem is AA related when obviously its not.

 

Btw, nvidia inspector doesnt work anymore (neither most of the nvidia control panel options)..... and if it does, only a few people had the luck to make it work.

 

I recently built a new pc, and this problem never bothered that much until now, i almost cant play any game. American truck simulator and euro truck simulator are almost unplayable because of shimmering, jagged shadows, and the impossibility to use any kind of antialiasing except FXAA... and nvidia inspector to force TAA doesnt work anymore, and i am not in the lucky ones bag. Shadow of the tomb raider is fairly decent, as long as you dont look at some shadows emitted from closer objects.. like the weapons on your back.... terrible, like if i was playing a videogame from 1990. Assasin's creed... shimmering and weird shadow issues all over the place....

 

I mean, they pretend us to spend so much money on expensive videocards, and then we cant even play properly? its ridiculous.

 

I keep revisiting this thread every now and then to see if someone actually has some valuable and veridic info about this problem, but im afraid that if companies like nvidia are making deaf ears to it, we could be living the last years of the videogaming industry at this rate...

 

Sorry guys but im really pissed. I see how companies keep abusing from customers and now apparently they reduced manufacturing costs (this problem goes back to 2013 or even before) to gain more money giving us cheaper products or whatever. So they can keep raising the prices of their products when those products are even worst quality than 4 years ago.

 

I really hope we have good news soon, in the meantime, the list of games that are still playable keeps getting shorter by the minute.

 

Sigh i miss so much the times of 2012-2013 when i could even play without antialiasing at all, and the game will look fairly decent and completely free of shimmering and broken shadows.

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Dude i know this isnt just aliasing but i have found as i said before A TEMPORARY FIX. A fix that wont eliminate the problem but definitely help it.

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FXAA works on every single game, because it is just a shader. Probably you didnt know how to make it work. You can even use reshade to apply a FXAA filter. Problem is, it is a bad antialiasing method because as other cheap ones, what it does is to blurry the pixels, it doesnt apply an actual antialias algorithm. And again, we already know, after many many pages how to aliviate a little bit the problem, you didnt told us anything new, that "solution" you proposed was already mentioned pages and pages ago. At this point, we need a solution , not a "camuflage". Because in many games, the problem will be still too noticeable no matter what you do.

 

And again, nvidia inspector did stop working time ago, maybe you are so lucky it still works for you and DX11, but for the majority , it doesnt, unfortunately. But again, people dont care about antialiasing as long as the problem is still there even without it. Also remember that it is not only the shimmering, we have also jagged shadows for no reason or with terrible resolution,lod problems, flickering.... i wisht it was only the shimmering on the edges. At least we could rely on other things to aliviate the immersion.

 

 

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This is how No Man's Sky looks with AA disabled.

 

WTF these jaggies are trying to do here? Camera isn't moving, so jagged edges should stand still too. But no, they... "convulsing", lol.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Asasinas said:

This is how No Man's Sky looks with AA disabled.

 

WTF these jaggies are trying to do here? Camera isn't moving, so jagged edges should stand still too. But no, they... "convulsing", lol.

 

The  camera never stops moving in that game.  Its always bobbing around slightly, which is why the aliasing "crawls" like that.

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On 9/25/2019 at 4:56 AM, Asasinas said:

This is how No Man's Sky looks with AA disabled.

 

WTF these jaggies are trying to do here? Camera isn't moving, so jagged edges should stand still too. But no, they... "convulsing", lol.

 

That's pretty disgusting. I think if you are a victim of this issue it look worse with AA disabled than if you are not a victim of this issue. Even if we ignore AA issues which is very hard to do so, there are other symptoms like Low LOD, Invisible Bubble near character, everything seems pixelated in distance, bad picture quality in OS and Bios logo etc. I don't know why Nvidia/AMD/Intel keeping quite on this issue.

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Guys sorry I have a simple question, have any of you sold any hardware of your pc successfully? I'm thinking in selling my cpu and ram but I don't want like spread this problem to the person that i'm selling it to so i'm not really sure about it

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Unless you can use TAA from nvidia inspector, and actually seeing results in-game (because nvidia inspector doesnt work 99% of the times right now), nothing you try there will improve the situation. Nothing at all.

 

twistos1, this problem has nothing to do with hardware, or whatever. Happens in every single combination of parts, you can buy 20 different computers and the problem will be still there. Did you even read all the previous post at least this? this goes back YEARS.

 

Also i noticed now that you are talking about DX 10... wtf. Dude, as i said, inspector doesnt work with dx11 anymore. Most games runs on dx11 already and most of the games dont have the option to downgrade the dx version below 11 lol. Seriously...

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13 hours ago, d0L_0b said:

MeeSeeks try the nvidia inspector thingy dude

ill help you out if need be.

8x MSAA is just making your GPU to work harder to fix something that's not supposed to be there in the first place. With 8x MSAA(or similar settings) you are losing a lot of performance(fps) to fix something that's not supposed to be there. It's a band aid. We should avoid calling it a fix. I know at this point we all are desperate but believe me anything software related can never help us because it's not software that caused this issue in the first place.

 

5 hours ago, twistos1 said:

Guys sorry I have a simple question, have any of you sold any hardware of your pc successfully? I'm thinking in selling my cpu and ram but I don't want like spread this problem to the person that i'm selling it to so i'm not really sure about it

The only reason why i am not selling my PC is because i don't want anyone else to experience it. Although i don't think that it will spread to other devices unless there is the same issue in power or environment where the new owner live at. But buying new hardware while living at the same house/city is a bad idea. People have bought new hardware before and some got this issue immediately, others got it after a week or two.

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the performance hit isnt noticable if you actually try it out yourself you will notice that, as i said originally it was a temporary fix and it might not work for you and the example i used was Grand theft auto 5, with the ingame settings i notice that the jaggies are there with or without antialiasing on, it doesnt seem to make a difference, along with nvidia control panel it doesnt affect the in game look. The only thing that worked for me was using the nvidia inspector, obviously its not going to work for everyone and it might cause a performance hit but if you are bothered about a performance hit then you might as well just deal with the jaggies becasue as of right now, unless you can offer an alternative solution the nvidia inspector is the only thing that fixed it. I reckon if it works for GTAV then i dont see why it wont work for other games.

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13 hours ago, Meeseeks said:

because it's not software that caused this issue in the first place.

 

Erm.. thats the whole point, we dont have a clue if it is software related or not. In any case, im pretty sure microsoft and nvidia need to work together to figure something out. The graphic quality of all games has decreased so much in 5 years because of these problems, that is completely ridiculous. And they complain about piracy.. dont make me laugh.

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