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Jagged Shadows,Pop in,Low LOD and jagged aa

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15 hours ago, DaoNayt said:

Each monitor contains data about its capabilities. It's called EDID - Extended Display Identification Data. Maybe if this data is misinterpreted for some reason, it can cause problems like these? But again, the problem would be in the GPU, because I tried connecting to my TV, and nothing changed. So that would indicate that the problem is in the computer, not the screen.

We need an expert to tell us how all these different things - GPU BIOS, drivers, windows registry, EDID etc. - interact together to produce the image.

Understandable but..  the graphics card renders the graphics and the display displays it,  don’t really think we need to get anymore technical than that.  If this wasn’t the case I could change my graphics settings through my monitor which is just silly.

 

Back to the awful graphics from my Xbox one x shown in those few screenshots above,  After watching others play that game on the same system it looks as if that particular game actually looks that bad on console.  I’m playing DMC 5 on Xbox one x now and it looks just fine.  

 

I think the the issue is still just with PCs and Laptops for me at least.

 

 

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Greetings Brothers in confusion,

I have followed this thread for over a year and I am now 16, after suffering from this problem for over two years.  I really want to solve this issue both for myself and for all of us affected. Currently, the last parts of my brand new build are on the way. What I plan to do is have the PC built, on a power purifier, disconnected from the internet, create a new email and download a free game to the PC via flash drive so I can totally isolate the system and test how it works.  I plan to slowly work backwards from this point, removing the power purifier, connect to the internet, download games from steam, ect until I reach the problem.  My rig might fall to the problem but at least I can give you guys an exact trigger.  Does anyone have any other ideas for precautions I should take?

 

Regards,

Braedon

 

Edit: To those interested I have attached an email I dispatched to Nvidia HR, Customer Service, and the CEO email. Before gunning me down saying, "ITS NOT JUST AN NVIDIA PROBLEM", please, read the attachedPlease Help Us.eml

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Welcome

Ihave been in contact with AMD for a while, to them this is all normal, especially in lower resolutions. I guess 1080p is considered low-res now and everyone who plays on 1080p is a poor person who doesn't deserve help.

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7 hours ago, TotallyNotYaBoi said:

Greetings Brothers in confusion,

I have followed this thread for over a year and I am now 16, after suffering from this problem for over two years.  I really want to solve this issue both for myself and for all of us affected. Currently, the last parts of my brand new build are on the way. What I plan to do is have the PC built, on a power purifier, disconnected from the internet, create a new email and download a free game to the PC via flash drive so I can totally isolate the system and test how it works.  I plan to slowly work backwards from this point, removing the power purifier, connect to the internet, download games from steam, ect until I reach the problem.  My rig might fall to the problem but at least I can give you guys an exact trigger.  Does anyone have any other ideas for precautions I should take?

 

Regards,

Braedon

 

Edit: To those interested I have attached an email I dispatched to Nvidia HR, Customer Service, and the CEO email. Before gunning me down saying, "ITS NOT JUST AN NVIDIA PROBLEM", please, read the attached

Please Help Us.eml

Ive done just about exactly what your about to do but without the email and downloading of games via flash drive,  interested in seeing if this works.  Keep us updated,  I’m still in talks with Nvidia at this time and have been sending gameplay footage,  so we can wait to see where that goes as well.  

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7 hours ago, TotallyNotYaBoi said:

Greetings Brothers in confusion,

I have followed this thread for over a year and I am now 16, after suffering from this problem for over two years.  I really want to solve this issue both for myself and for all of us affected. Currently, the last parts of my brand new build are on the way. What I plan to do is have the PC built, on a power purifier, disconnected from the internet, create a new email and download a free game to the PC via flash drive so I can totally isolate the system and test how it works.  I plan to slowly work backwards from this point, removing the power purifier, connect to the internet, download games from steam, ect until I reach the problem.  My rig might fall to the problem but at least I can give you guys an exact trigger.  Does anyone have any other ideas for precautions I should take?

 

Regards,

Braedon

 

Edit: To those interested I have attached an email I dispatched to Nvidia HR, Customer Service, and the CEO email. Before gunning me down saying, "ITS NOT JUST AN NVIDIA PROBLEM", please, read the attachedPlease Help Us.eml

You are absolutely correct that this isn’t just an Nvidia issue,  I have tried a few different amd gpus and got the same shitty results.

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15 hours ago, TotallyNotYaBoi said:

Greetings Brothers in confusion,

I have followed this thread for over a year and I am now 16, after suffering from this problem for over two years.  I really want to solve this issue both for myself and for all of us affected. Currently, the last parts of my brand new build are on the way. What I plan to do is have the PC built, on a power purifier, disconnected from the internet, create a new email and download a free game to the PC via flash drive so I can totally isolate the system and test how it works.  I plan to slowly work backwards from this point, removing the power purifier, connect to the internet, download games from steam, ect until I reach the problem.  My rig might fall to the problem but at least I can give you guys an exact trigger.  Does anyone have any other ideas for precautions I should take?

 

Regards,

Braedon

 

Edit: To those interested I have attached an email I dispatched to Nvidia HR, Customer Service, and the CEO email. Before gunning me down saying, "ITS NOT JUST AN NVIDIA PROBLEM", please, read the attachedPlease Help Us.eml

It will be expensive, but I suggest you build the rig with ALL NEW PARTS. It must be a clean rig. I recently bought a new GPU, MOBO, SSD, and CPU, but kept the same RAM, PSU, monitor, keyboard, and mouse. The problem persisted.

 

I think you are on the right track in trying to identify a trigger. For me the problem started in 2013 with Starcraft 2 and BF3. All of the Total War games were affected. However, BF1 and BF5 remain unaffected. Recently, the Witcher 3 became affected when I downloaded the expansions and other DLC.

 

I just don't know if it is software or hardware related. I went so far as to install Linux on a clean SSD, but it only made the problem worse. That tells me that it was not a software "Windows" issue. On the other hand, the problem persists even if I use the Intel integrated graphics, which tells me that it is not a Nvidia related issue. The problem persists across different GPUs. Over the years, I have changed every single part of that old rig, and the problem still exists. It seems like, if the problem shows up in a game, it is pretty much there to stay.

 

For the love of God, can we just find out if it is hardware or software related? That is a good place to start!

 

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On 8/28/2019 at 4:06 AM, Harsh45 said:

Understandable but..  the graphics card renders the graphics and the display displays it,  don’t really think we need to get anymore technical than that.  If this wasn’t the case I could change my graphics settings through my monitor which is just silly.

 

Back to the awful graphics from my Xbox one x shown in those few screenshots above,  After watching others play that game on the same system it looks as if that particular game actually looks that bad on console.  I’m playing DMC 5 on Xbox one x now and it looks just fine.  

 

I think the the issue is still just with PCs and Laptops for me at least.

 

 

Monitors do render, thats the thing.

 

The scaler can seriously corrupt stippling effects if the panel native resolution does not match the input resolution.

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I've noticed in Control DX11 mode I have very bad pop-in/low level of detail but when I run it in DX12 mode the same objects that were disappearing/reappearing in DX11 no longer do in DX12.

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3 hours ago, lobolaw1984 said:

It will be expensive, but I suggest you build the rig with ALL NEW PARTS. It must be a clean rig. I recently bought a new GPU, MOBO, SSD, and CPU, but kept the same RAM, PSU, monitor, keyboard, and mouse. The problem persisted.

 

I think you are on the right track in trying to identify a trigger. For me the problem started in 2013 with Starcraft 2 and BF3. All of the Total War games were affected. However, BF1 and BF5 remain unaffected. Recently, the Witcher 3 became affected when I downloaded the expansions and other DLC.

 

I just don't know if it is software or hardware related. I went so far as to install Linux on a clean SSD, but it only made the problem worse. That tells me that it was not a software "Windows" issue. On the other hand, the problem persists even if I use the Intel integrated graphics, which tells me that it is not a Nvidia related issue. The problem persists across different GPUs. Over the years, I have changed every single part of that old rig, and the problem still exists. It seems like, if the problem shows up in a game, it is pretty much there to stay.

 

For the love of God, can we just find out if it is hardware or software related? That is a good place to start!

 

I am in fact starting from all new parts. Specs are as follows:

 

Ryzen 3800X

MSI X570 A-Pro

32 GB 3200 MHz RAM

MSI RTX 2080 tri-fan

Corsair 750w PSU 80+ Gold

Thermaltake RIING 360MM AIO

Cooler master H500M Case

 

In the case that it actually is a virus, I was reading up on how to protect yourself from malware that potentially auto runs, and the best solution I found aside from Malwarebytes and firewalls is to create a second user account that you use as a primary account on the pc without install rights, only entering the admin password for select downloads, thus preventing auto-run scripts.

I am only 16 and I really hope this new build works ok, ive been saving every cent for over two years.  I really can't afford another Dud.  Pray for me ladies and gentleman, as my final components come tomorrow.

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I was also saving up for a while. Then I finally bought a new system and it worked flawlessly for two weeks. I was so impressed with the quality of AAA graphics on Ultra. And then it all turned ugly overnight.
But beware, some people said their new systems had the issue from the start.

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21 hours ago, TotallyNotYaBoi said:

. What I plan to do is have the PC built, on a power purifier, disconnected from the internet, create a new email and download a free game to the PC via flash drive so I can totally isolate the system and test how it works.  I plan to slowly work backwards from this point, removing the power purifier, connect to the internet, download games from steam, ect until I reach the problem.  My rig might fall to the problem but at least I can give you guys an exact trigger.  Does anyone have any other ideas for precautions I should take?

Help Us.eml

Yes, this can be a Windows or DirectX bug. So be prepare to place a bug report. Learn how bug reports are made up, what you need. Making a good bug report is very important to the success of it. Helps developer to find the bug. Look youtube tutorials.

 

20 years ago I found a Windows bug, and it took me 10 years to isolate it and place a bug report. Essentially when a internet file [a file that was download from internet] was selected, if you press new folder icon, the file execute instead of making the new folder.

 

So bugs are complex because you can think is a virus, a hardware problem and is difficult to reproduce. Preconceptions and lucubrations does not help.

 

Video, screenshots, dependency and not dependency’s are important. But more important is a step by step guid to trigger the bug.

 

Some Windows bugs are trigger when files are attached to the download file. When you download from internet you can zip and unzip your downloads as a precaution to isolate the problem.

 

good luck.

 

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7 hours ago, TotallyNotYaBoi said:

I am in fact starting from all new parts. Specs are as follows:

 

Ryzen 3800X

MSI X570 A-Pro

32 GB 3200 MHz RAM

MSI RTX 2080 tri-fan

Corsair 750w PSU 80+ Gold

Thermaltake RIING 360MM AIO

Cooler master H500M Case

 

In the case that it actually is a virus, I was reading up on how to protect yourself from malware that potentially auto runs, and the best solution I found aside from Malwarebytes and firewalls is to create a second user account that you use as a primary account on the pc without install rights, only entering the admin password for select downloads, thus preventing auto-run scripts.

I am only 16 and I really hope this new build works ok, ive been saving every cent for over two years.  I really can't afford another Dud.  Pray for me ladies and gentleman, as my final components come tomorrow.

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Good luck!

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14 hours ago, KarathKasun said:

Monitors do render, thats the thing.

 

The scaler can seriously corrupt stippling effects if the panel native resolution does not match the input resolution.

I misspoke,  I meant monitors don’t process graphics...

 

Im also still in talks with a higher up at Nvidia,  been shooting emails back and forth, been sending game clips here and there,  I’ll let you guys know if it goes anywhere... ? 

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25 minutes ago, Harsh45 said:

I misspoke,  I meant monitors don’t process graphics...

 

Im also still in talks with a higher up at Nvidia,  been shooting emails back and forth, been sending game clips here and there,  I’ll let you guys know if it goes anywhere... ? 

Somewhat related, there are monitors being sold with non-native resolutions now.  Things like high refresh 1080p monitors with slightly higher resolution panels, meaning you always get scaler corruption on screen.

 

This also applies to many TVs.

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17 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

Somewhat related, there are monitors being sold with non-native resolutions now.  Things like high refresh 1080p monitors with slightly higher resolution panels, meaning you always get scaler corruption on screen.

More info?

 

Are you talking to the support staff at nvidia or engineering/software?

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3 minutes ago, DaoNayt said:

More info?

 

Are you talking to the support staff at nvidia or engineering/software?

https://www.techpowerup.com/245367/your-1440p-monitor-could-be-using-a-4k-panel

 

The same thing has been done in TV's as well.  1366x768 panels being used in 720p (1280x720) TVs and 1920x1200 panels being used in 1080p (1920x1080) TVs.

 

This explains the messed up looking stipple effect in games that use that instead of alpha blending in some cases.

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On 8/28/2019 at 11:06 AM, Harsh45 said:

Understandable but..  the graphics card renders the graphics and the display displays it,  don’t really think we need to get anymore technical than that.  If this wasn’t the case I could change my graphics settings through my monitor which is just silly.

 

Back to the awful graphics from my Xbox one x shown in those few screenshots above,  After watching others play that game on the same system it looks as if that particular game actually looks that bad on console.  I’m playing DMC 5 on Xbox one x now and it looks just fine.  

 

I think the the issue is still just with PCs and Laptops for me at least.

 

 

Please dont deny the problem on consoles and other hardware.

 

Look at your screenshots fron kingdoms come , this is snes level of textures.

 

Devil may cry looks allright because its not open world , draw distance is shorter there.

 

Open any open world game on xbox far cry or something like that , problem is visible in fps games with long vision and tell me is this look normal to you ?

 

This is not PC only problen

 

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If anyone DOES decide to talk to any companies about this issue, remember to record the problem with an OUTSIDE camera (For example, your phone). Don’t record gameplay using the affected device itself, it won’t show up on the screen of an unaffected device, making whoever’s seeing it claim that you’re it looks fine on their end and you’re just seeing things. I don’t think this is a Nvidia issue, as it appears on EVERY single device that uses a 3d engine...

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1 hour ago, Pglew99 said:

If anyone DOES decide to talk to any companies about this issue, remember to record the problem with an OUTSIDE camera (For example, your phone). Don’t record gameplay using the affected device itself, it won’t show up on the screen of an unaffected device, making whoever’s seeing it claim that you’re it looks fine on their end and you’re just seeing things. I don’t think this is a Nvidia issue, as it appears on EVERY single device that uses a 3d engine...

and 2d games aswell.

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Alright guys. So ive been searching for an answer for this for a few weeks and i might have found something to lead us in the right direction, not entirely sure this will fix anything but on this video 

in the comments there is a guy by the name of American Pig-Dog who has a pretty fucking nutty idea as to fixing this, his fix is for AMD users but it isnt 100% confirmed to work, in his responses a dude says that it worked for him when he followed his tutorial, he has a GTX 1060 and he could be very well trolling but it might lead to something. He deleted the files in his class tab of his regedit then imported American Pig-Dog's Code or something like that and it fixed the problem for him. Thing is, because the dude deleted his class tab it removed drivers or something and thus was the fix. Im not very PC technical so i dont know much but posting this here may lead to something bois. Good luck lads. Also I dont actually advise that you do anything with your Registry unless you know what you are doing.  

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2 hours ago, darksquall said:

Please dont deny the problem on consoles and other hardware.

 

Look at your screenshots fron kingdoms come , this is snes level of textures.

 

Devil may cry looks allright because its not open world , draw distance is shorter there.

 

Open any open world game on xbox far cry or something like that , problem is visible in fps games with long vision and tell me is this look normal to you ?

 

This is not PC only problen

 

For me it seems to be PC related only,  If you feel the need to put words in my mouth and or tell me what I see in games I guess there is no need for me to post another thing,  you can do it for me...

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43 minutes ago, d0L_0b said:

Alright guys. So ive been searching for an answer for this for a few weeks and i might have found something to lead us in the right direction, not entirely sure this will fix anything but on this video 

in the comments there is a guy by the name of American Pig-Dog who has a pretty fucking nutty idea as to fixing this, his fix is for AMD users but it isnt 100% confirmed to work, in his responses a dude says that it worked for him when he followed his tutorial, he has a GTX 1060 and he could be very well trolling but it might lead to something. He deleted the files in his class tab of his regedit then imported American Pig-Dog's Code or something like that and it fixed the problem for him. Thing is, because the dude deleted his class tab it removed drivers or something and thus was the fix. Im not very PC technical so i dont know much but posting this here may lead to something bois. Good luck lads. Also I dont actually advise that you do anything with your Registry unless you know what you are doing.  

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As to if this is true or not I do t know.  He said once he deleted the entire section on the class tab of Regedit and imported his first code (whatever the first code is) fixed 80% of the issues..  For one you would need to reinstall new drivers unless windows 10 automatically reinstalled them,  probably the former.  I think this guy may have had a bad driver and that’s it,  nothing outlandish like what I have,  I mean all the newly built PCs I’ve made along with a few company bought ones and the latest one being a laptop,  I just don’t see a driver being the issue,  I mean you think it would be more widespread if that were the case,  I don’t know..

 

I could try deleting some regedit like this guy on one of my rigs,  can just reset it if things go awry...

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This issue is really weird i just watched a video with very obvious signs of this bug and thought well lets show it to some random people (reddit in this case) just to get some reactions, and who would have guessed it, they say it looks absolutly normal, or they tell me the resolution and AA is too low on a dev video, in the case someone is interessted just watch the gameplay of KSP 2.

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11 hours ago, I_dont_know200 said:

This issue is really weird i just watched a video with very obvious signs of this bug and thought well lets show it to some random people (reddit in this case) just to get some reactions, and who would have guessed it, they say it looks absolutly normal, or they tell me the resolution and AA is too low on a dev video, in the case someone is interessted just watch the gameplay of KSP 2.

We obviously can tell by watching videos and clips with these issues but it is best to see in person which is in most cases impossible,  I would love to show people at Nvidia all this shitty shit in action but fat chance at that happening...

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