Jagged Shadows,Pop in,Low LOD and jagged aa

[Asasinas]

3 hours ago, Strider890 said:

But this is normal in games there is no problem after all (sarcasam).

Because this problem I can't play ARMA 3.There is everywhere object pop ups and this shimmering edges.

Same here. Every game has these vibrating jagged edges for me.

Edited October 10, 2019 by Asasinas

[Drlefreeman]

Rainbow six siege

 

https://youtu.be/-PX7KagPCo0

 

https://youtu.be/qoYMf27t2e8

https://youtu.be/s7xNnTufnyg
 

Counter Stike GO

 

https://youtu.be/E8jqKdBqOWo

https://youtu.be/u8ycyAUhuZ4

[xAcid9]

I started to see checkerboard in games nowadays. Will upload screenshot after i confirm it's not my mind playing with me lol. 

[DaoNayt]

On 10/9/2019 at 4:24 PM, twistos1 said:

guys I actually fixed the issue yesterday but it didn't last long, it was an expensive solution that only lasted 20 minutes. I bought a new motherboard, new cpu and ram and a new ssd. I installed windows (the only drive installed in my pc was the new ssd) and then I played no man's sky for like 10 minutes, the game looked gorgeous, no jagged edges even at low settings, then I decide to mess around with the graphics settings and I set it to ultra, and right after that it started to look like shit again, jagged edges everywhere, I tried going back to the settings I was using before but didn't work, the problem came back and everything looks like shit again. I don't know if this helpful or no but I thought I should share it /: ( I only had the jagged edges problem though, not pop up problems or anything like that)

Just reading this again. Interesting how you fixed it without replacing the GPU. So the problem, apparently, is in another component. Most likely CPU or motherboard. The OP says that some people fixed the issues by switching to Ryzen, which means they would have switched the CPU and motherboard at the same time. That's what you did as well. Interesting.

[twistos1]

Just now, DaoNayt said:

Just reading this again. Interesting how you fixed it without replacing the GPU. So the problem, apparently, is in another component. Most likely CPU or motherboard. The OP says that some people fixed the issues by switching to Ryzen, which means they would have switched the CPU and motherboard at the same time. That's what you did as well. Interesting.

Maybe if I would have done what YiGiT353 said I would have fixed it for good, because besides that I have no idea what the fuck is going on with this issue anymore

[Asasinas]

Do you guys see the flickering in both Chrome and Edge in this video?

 

I see the flickering in both, but Edge has a little less visible.

 

I found this in one forum where people discussing why their cameras produce this "Moire pattern" in videos. As you can see in the second half of the video, there is some kind of "vibrating" moving lines over the rail tracks. Just like in our games. Some people were suggesting to buy ND filters, others say there is something wrong with settings (sharpness, resolution etc...).

 

In any case, if you show a game video to a person and he says that there is no problem or he just don't see any problem, show him this video and tell him that this happens in games too. In my opinion this video is a good example of our issue (excluding bad lod, shadows and some other things), because it's clearly visible here.

[DaoNayt]

 

[I_dont_know200]

How about we write a formal letter with a petition to the linus tech tips team maybe over a moderator, thats the only way i can think of that will grant some form of progress, all those theories wont get us anywhere.

[tantalus]

4 hours ago, I_dont_know200 said:

How about we write a formal letter with a petition to the linus tech tips team maybe over a moderator, thats the only way i can think of that will grant some form of progress, all those theories wont get us anywhere.

There is nothing anyone can do at this point. The only way this is going to be "Fixed" is if gamers wake up and let nvidia and microsoft know they are not ok with the state of videogames these days. And that can only be achieved if gamers stop wasting money on expensive cards and / or hardware like 4k monitors. In confident this is just a problem of lower quality hardware components. Companies manufcaturing the "same" components at lower costs, scamming people. Thats what this is, or it looks like.

 

Also btw do you realize this is not a linux issue, right?

[I_dont_know200]

13 hours ago, tantalus said:

There is nothing anyone can do at this point. The only way this is going to be "Fixed" is if gamers wake up and let nvidia and microsoft know they are not ok with the state of videogames these days. And that can only be achieved if gamers stop wasting money on expensive cards and / or hardware like 4k monitors. In confident this is just a problem of lower quality hardware components. Companies manufcaturing the "same" components at lower costs, scamming people. Thats what this is, or it looks like.

 

Also btw do you realize this is not a linux issue, right?

Honestly i dont even know where to start here.

 

"The only way this is going to be "Fixed" is if gamers wake up and let nvidia and microsoft know they are not ok with the state of videogames these days"

 

You realize its not the fault of those companies, it was fine for me before and still is for the majority of gamers, else people would complain or why do you think we get no help from the community....

 

"And that can only be achieved if gamers stop wasting money on expensive cards and / or hardware like 4k monitors"

 

Thats the only thing that can patch up this mess besides the fact that buying expensive hardware doesnt even fix this, which means the hardware is most likely not the issue here.

 

"In confident this is just a problem of lower quality hardware components"

 

Ask some people here many have this issue with RTX cards, thats not a low level component.

 

"Companies manufcaturing the "same" components at lower costs, scamming people."

 

You know there is QA and laws for that right, something of this size would have been discovered from tech experts for sure.

 

"Also btw do you realize this is not a linux issue, right?"

 

I talk about linus tech tips the forum we are on, they have a competent team with ressources, probably our best bet on people interessted to help us with this.

No corporation will be doing that not because they rigged it themselfs, just because its not profitable to do since we are not many.

[KenJorY]

Merhaba, aranıza yeni katıldım. Bu lanet sorun her yerde. Tıpkı bir virüs gibi bulaşıcı. İngilizce bilmiyorum affedin. Türkçe yazıyorum. (Flickering texture) olarak bilinen bu lanet olası vakanın düzeltilebilmesi için tüm parçaları değiştirdim. Genelde RTX kartlarında çok görüyorum. Monitör AOC ekran kartı ve monitör kaynaklı olabilir mi? Youtuberlara yazıyorum yardım istiyorum. Nvidia'nın canlı desteğine ve E-postasına gönderiyorum sorunları sonuç yok. Buradaki arkadaşlar ile hep birlikte bu sorunu Nvidia ya goturmemiz lazım. Bu doğa üstü olay gibi. Elektrik ile alakası olsaydı ilk günden beri aynı olurdu. Birden bire oldu daha yeni toplamıştım parçaları. Aylardır uğraşıyorum. Lütfen bir çağre bulalım artık. Tüm bilgisayar markalarına atalım bu sorunları belki onlar bildiri yayınlarlar. Bu sorun PC başlarken monitörün logosunda çok belirgin.

[tantalus]

2 hours ago, I_dont_know200 said:

You realize its not the fault of those companies, it was fine for me before and still is for the majority of gamers, else people would complain or why do you think we get no help from the community....

Thats the only thing that can patch up this mess besides the fact that buying expensive hardware doesnt even fix this, which means the hardware is most likely not the issue here.

 

Ask some people here many have this issue with RTX cards, thats not a low level component.

 

You know there is QA and laws for that right, something of this size would have been discovered from tech experts for sure.

 

I talk about linus tech tips the forum we are on, they have a competent team with ressources, probably our best bet on people interessted to help us with this.

No corporation will be doing that not because they rigged it themselfs, just because its not profitable to do since we are not many.

 

So, in your opinion, its not nvidia / microsoft's fault, when microsoft was the very first one locking up DX11 in 2011-201 from driver built-in modifications/improvements starting all of this by then. Lol you guys are unbelievable. You work for nvidia or microsoft by any chance? :s like everybody else, you didnt have problems before that date, and like everybody else, you started having those problems after 2012-2013.

 

And WTF YOU TALKING ABOUT ? its fine for the majority of players???? are you for real??? after all these post you still saying something like that? sorry but i will stop answering to you. Its not worthy. You dont have the slightest clue what we are talking about, and you didnt even bother to read anything until the last two pages. Cheers.

 

[I_dont_know200]

57 minutes ago, tantalus said:

 

So, in your opinion, its not nvidia / microsoft's fault, when microsoft was the very first one locking up DX11 in 2011-201 from driver built-in modifications/improvements starting all of this by then. Lol you guys are unbelievable. You work for nvidia or microsoft by any chance? :s like everybody else, you didnt have problems before that date, and like everybody else, you started having those problems after 2012-2013.

 

And WTF YOU TALKING ABOUT ? its fine for the majority of players???? are you for real??? after all these post you still saying something like that? sorry but i will stop answering to you. Its not worthy. You dont have the slightest clue what we are talking about, and you didnt even bother to read anything until the last two pages. Cheers.

 

Yea you got me there i work for nvidiasoft, to be exact i am the ceo thats why i try to misinform people on an internet forum, seriously now i understand why people think we are crazy its thanks to posts like that.

 

Dude the issue started for me 5 months ago, for others its a year and again for others it was some other time.... there is no coherent time pattern which would suggest anything like that.

 

It definitly is fine for most people, i am very sure about that since i talked with many people i know personally and they dont have this, i admit i dont know the exact numbers of people that got this issue but its probably not that many since there is no public outcry for improvements.

 

"You dont have the slightest clue what we are talking about, and you didnt even bother to read anything until the last two pages."

 

haha check my posts i made all of those just in this thread.

No wonder we cant make progress with people like you around every senseable person cant take us serious after statements like yours.

 

I want this issue resolved like everyone else here, but those borderline crazy theories wont do any good in that regard.

[jinx33]

55 minutes ago, tantalus said:

 

So, in your opinion, its not nvidia / microsoft's fault, when microsoft was the very first one locking up DX11 in 2011-201 from driver built-in modifications/improvements starting all of this by then. Lol you guys are unbelievable. You work for nvidia or microsoft by any chance? :s like everybody else, you didnt have problems before that date, and like everybody else, you started having those problems after 2012-2013.

 

And WTF YOU TALKING ABOUT ? its fine for the majority of players???? are you for real??? after all these post you still saying something like that? sorry but i will stop answering to you. Its not worthy. You dont have the slightest clue what we are talking about, and you didnt even bother to read anything until the last two pages. Cheers.

 

And you, are you for real ? Those problems started overnight for me, and there were no updates from microsoft or nvidia whatsoever, so stop bragging about them rigging this for gamers to buy expensive hardware, that's ridiculous. Even more ridiculous since it triggered these issues to people buying recent high end gfx and processors.

 

If he didn't read the last two pages, you didn't read squat from the first post. Nonsense...

[Pglew99]

I think another problem with this is that many more gamers have this, they just don’t realize it. I noticed it on my friend’s Xbox and my cousin’s Xbox too (I live in Jersey), but they don’t recognize it as a problem. They think it’s normal. They don’t have sensitive eyes like we do. If more people realized that this is in fact NOT normal, we’d be able to get more help I think. 

[tantalus]

7 hours ago, jinx33 said:

And you, are you for real ? Those problems started overnight for me, and there were no updates from microsoft or nvidia whatsoever, so stop bragging about them rigging this for gamers to buy expensive hardware, that's ridiculous. Even more ridiculous since it triggered these issues to people buying recent high end gfx and processors.

 

If he didn't read the last two pages, you didn't read squat from the first post. Nonsense...

Nonsense, sure. So in your opinion we should do absolutely nothing. The most reasonable thing to do will be to STOP buying expensive cards and screens just for the sake of it, and you think thats nonsense? i guess you were born yesterday.

 

You had these problems before you just didnt notice them. They increased exponentially in these past 4-5 years. And if you are pretty pretty sure that you didnt have any shimmering, flickering , jagged shadows or whatever before, then sure, it could be a problem on your computer, sure... Then what are you doing here in that case? your issue has nothing to do with the problem we are debating that affects the majority if not 99,99% (you must be the only lucky one) of gamers....

[KarathKasun]

54 minutes ago, tantalus said:

Nonsense, sure. So in your opinion we should do absolutely nothing. The most reasonable thing to do will be to STOP buying expensive cards and screens just for the sake of it, and you think thats nonsense? i guess you were born yesterday.

 

You had these problems before you just didnt notice them. They increased exponentially in these past 4-5 years. And if you are pretty pretty sure that you didnt have any shimmering, flickering , jagged shadows or whatever before, then sure, it could be a problem on your computer, sure... Then what are you doing here in that case? your issue has nothing to do with the problem we are debating that affects the majority if not 99,99% (you must be the only lucky one) of gamers....

No, stop pulling stats out of your rear.

 

The total impacted number of users is more like 0.1%.  There is not enough being reported to assume that it is over ~10%.

[can0753]

[oderkinder]

That's all good, guys, but what about the pixel flicker in the Android app? There is no direct x or NVIDIA, but the problem is identical. And it appeared on several phones-mine and my wife's. All these devices combine only two things: a router and electricity at home. This bullshit needs a study of high-class specialists, but I do not hope for anything in the near future. Fortunately I have a lot of great board games.)

Watch the video on the link, the problem is clearly visible on distant objects. This is a video from my smartphone.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/157Q-pDTHvdGHOHIbF10v7ki4uFGB0UBm/view?usp=sharing

[tantalus]

13 hours ago, KarathKasun said:

No, stop pulling stats out of your rear.

 

The total impacted number of users is more like 0.1%.  There is not enough being reported to assume that it is over ~10%.

This affects all people lol. If by now you dont know that, well, again, not even worthy to respond to you. People dont report it because the majority think its a normal situation. Not because they dont have the issues. EVERY SINGLE PERSON have these problems to a minor or major grade. Im not pulling stats from anywhere, lol, im still amazed after all this time that people come here to say things like "total impacted number of users is more like 0.1%". Amazed. I guess we will never ever going to see these problems affecting all gamers fixed because some people are too ignorant to realize or too young to realize.

[tantalus]

16 hours ago, Pglew99 said:

I think another problem with this is that many more gamers have this, they just don’t realize it. I noticed it on my friend’s Xbox and my cousin’s Xbox too (I live in Jersey), but they don’t recognize it as a problem. They think it’s normal. They don’t have sensitive eyes like we do. If more people realized that this is in fact NOT normal, we’d be able to get more help I think. 

Wait until their eyes and their heads start hurting, and then they will need to find the cause of it.  These problems, specially shimmering all the time, in some games are starting to be really problematic. Specially in driving games. Well, some of those games are basically unplayable at this point.

 

Also we need to remember that TAA and TXAA forms eliminate shimmering on edges, so games that use those ways of antialiasing will not have edges shimmering all over the place, just the usual shadow problems and lod distance problems. Thats maybe why some people dont notice these problems, they are probably playing a game that is using TAA, and they dont see any "problem". And about shadows.. well they probably think its normal to see a jagged and low detailed shadow even using ultra settings....

[jinx33]

Back 4 years ago, i was playing mostly three games: The Witcher 2, Skyrim and GTA V. I will add AC Black Flag as well, and I remember this game was very well optimized on PC, which is a blessing considering Ubisoft history coming to this point.

 

I spent hundred on hours on each of those games, hell, thousand hours on Skyrim anyway by itself, and i know pretty well how the engine, graphics, looked like. So when i read that

20 hours ago, tantalus said:

You had these problems before you just didnt notice them. They increased exponentially in these past 4-5 years.

I laugh really hard, seriously.

 

Don't assume things because of your own experience. I have the same problem, i just keep playing because i worked hard to pay my hardware, and my games, period. I don't imply to not solve this problem, i'm actually here since the beginning of this post, there even was another one on nvidia forums before.

 

But keep being clever, telling people are wrong, like I care.

[Drlefreeman]

Hello,

 

I have the same issue with rainbow six and CSGO.

I tested the benchmark Unigine Heaven and the shimmering blinking jagged line are visible on certain object.

https://benchmark.unigine.com/heaven

 

Which is surprising, the video on the benchmark site have the same issue... 

 

 

My video

 

 

 

Benchmark vidéo :

 

 

 

 

I will try to contact Unigine to know if it normal for them...

 

 

Sorry for my bad English. 

 

[Harsh45]

STOP blaming components in your PCs,  I’ve used SHADOW and GEFORCE NOW and the issues are still there! 

 

Those streaming services don’t use ANY components on your PC,  just either streaming from a server or a PC the company has setup..

 

This info above destroys any questions about our PCs being the issue!

 

So please stop with the “It could be this component” BS!

[Harsh45]

I’m waiting on STADIA to test and see if there is a difference using a Google chrome ultra other than an app like GEFORCE NOW on my PC,  time will tell.