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Jagged Shadows,Pop in,Low LOD and jagged aa

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2 hours ago, Asasinas said:

That's it, guys. It's end of the line for me. Since changing all parts doesn't work, nothing will work. There is nothing else I could do.

 

This issue reminds me real life cancer: if you get this issue, you life with it. And all the troubleshooting we do is like chemotherapy - we change hardware, software, for some it works, for some does not. There is no real solution.

Please do not lose the Hope, It can not be that such a mistake comes overnight and

can not be fixed again.

There must be a cause for it and every cause can be solved.

 

Please do not lose the Hope Guys, PLEASE

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Honestly, it’s hard not to give up hope. I’ve had this issue for the past 9 months, while some have had it for YEARS. It appears to occur at different times, and once it’s there, it’s to stay, and if you find a solution, God bless your soul, it can return at ANYTIME. It’s on my phone, Xbox, everything. The only option we have is to wait until it affects some famous person, maybe then the issue will be resolved.

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Just a small idea here, how about we name the issue i mean like a term to refere too, if said term gets used commonly it will appear in search engines and will get widespread attention more easily, it would need to be something specific not as generel as we described it yet.

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I should receive my high-end laptop on Wednesday.  The one thing I never did with all the newly built PCs I’ve made over the past few years was install windows 10 at a different location,  sounds stupid but when you buy a pre built PC like the laptop I just purchased you have to install updates,  all pre built PCs show up this way,  maybe something happens during that process dunno.  I do know that I will be testing this PC straight out the box at my shop and not my house.  All previous builds were first time booted from my house.  If the laptop runs fine at my shop and updates for windows and drivers and such keep the laptop acting normal while gaming (As I’m sure it will) I’ll then be taking it home to game on battery life, then plugged in and then charged while off and then tested again,  these different tasks should give me some sort of answer to it being either related to electrical issues, internet/modem/router issues or windows 10 issues. 

 

There is something behind all this bullshit and I’m going to hopefully get some sort of clue or answer.

 

I’ll hit you guys up when I’m done testing this shot Thursday of next week,  till then 🙏

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So, I have really important News.

For me and for many others very good News, but probably less helpful to most.

Before someone judges prematurely, please read my story and accept the opinion and perception of another Person.

 

ATTENTION:

I have only the Problem with the jagged Lines and the jagged/flickering Shadows.

I have not the LOD Proplem or POP IN Proplem.

For me this Problem is solved.

I am sorry for all who unfortunately do not feel and think so.

 

As promised, I was visiting my friend today.

He is a very experienced PC Specialist and has put together several PC's for himself and others.

He has a lot of gaming experience.

Today we have done many Tests and compared Games, and to be honest, to put it bluntly: THERE IS NO PROPLEM.

His Pc is assembled by himself and he has been re-equipping it for several Years.

 

THE RESULT: He has the same Flicker, the same jagged Lines, the same jagged Shadows.

He has known it since the beginning, and it's different from Game to Game.

 

Your pc is okay.

There are people who do not know it differently, and there are people who will notice it at some point.

But this kind of jagged Lines has always been there.

He showed me his Nintendo Switch and it is now 3 weeks old.

And there too, Jagged Lines on Zelda Breath of the Wild.

It is quite normal because the switch simply has no decent edge smoothing.

One does not like it extremely on the other.

 

You fix yourself on it and you look for these jagged lines

This is not a Problem but simple aliasing Problems and bad game Programming.

we tested Doom 2016 because this Game was programmed very clean and ZACK, no jagged Lines no flicker, a clean Game.

OH GOD what  Graphics, I LOVE IT BABY

 

We have made various Settings in Nvidia Control Panel, and found out that each Game is better with different Settings.

There is not ONE Setting for all Games.

 

Skyrim has been fixed 100%

The Witcher 3 has been fixed 90%

Doom 2016 has not the jagged Lines.

Ni No Kuni 2 has been fixed 95%

Dragon Quest XI has been fixed 85%

Titanfall 2 has been fixed 95%

 

This thing can only be reduced with Settings and better Monitor.

But it can not be completely eliminated because there is no Proplem.

 

So please believe me, there is no Problem, it only arises in your minds.

For me, this problem is resolved and thus my work done.

I know that many of you will not appreciate this answer.

But I want you to know that it helped me.

 

ATTENTION:

I have only the Problem with the jagged Lines and the jagged/flickering Shadows.

I have not the LOD Proplem or POP IN Proplem.

For me this Problem is solved.

I am sorry for all who unfortunately do not feel and think so.

 

 

Greets

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As for aliasing and flicker maybe, and i say maybe it always been like this and never really paid attention, but as for draw distance being extremely low on every game, sorry, it's not always been the case. It goes for pop-ins and shadows not rendered properly, that bubble effect rendering everything out of it by a short distance low detailed. That is not normal.

 

But if you're convinced otherwise good for you, and as I said, this issue is not going to kill my hobby of playing video games, or i would have waste a great deal of money.. and time.

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17 minutes ago, jinx33 said:

As for aliasing and flicker maybe, and i say maybe it always been like this and never really paid attention, but as for draw distance being extremely low on every game, sorry, it's not always been the case. It goes for pop-ins and shadows not rendered properly, that bubble effect rendering everything out of it by a short distance low detailed. That is not normal.

 

But if you're convinced otherwise good for you, and as I said, this issue is not going to kill my hobby of playing video games, or i would have waste a great deal of money.. and time.

Sry Friend, I have only the Problem with the jagged Lines.

For me this problem is solved.

I am sorry for all who unfortunately do not feel and think so.

 

EDIT:

So I'm playing skyrim right now and I have no jagged lines.

Nothing with the right Nvidia Control Panel Settings.

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31 minutes ago, PVLMFRUITS said:

Sry Friend, I have only the Problem with the jagged Lines.

For me this problem is solved.

I am sorry for all who unfortunately do not feel and think so.

 

EDIT:

So I'm playing skyrim right now and I have no jagged lines.

Nothing with the right Nvidia Control Panel Settings.

Well i can tell you that this cant be since my Fallout 4 (same engine) looks terrible i mean hole building flickering terrible, no setting fixed that yet and i know for certain it was never like this i even saw videos where it just looks fine.

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2 hours ago, PVLMFRUITS said:

Sry Friend, I have only the Problem with the jagged Lines.

For me this problem is solved.

I am sorry for all who unfortunately do not feel and think so.

 

EDIT:

So I'm playing skyrim right now and I have no jagged lines.

Nothing with the right Nvidia Control Panel Settings.

I remember in my old house/city i had aliasing in Destiny 2 but that much aliasing was supposed to be there because some games implement AA badly. They can be ignored and looked like normal aliasing. But believe me when i moved to this new house/city everything related to aliasing was 10 times worse. Now in the new house they cannot be ignored because they are at a point where it's messing with my vision. I think either you don't have same issue as me or the intensity is low for you and you can ignore it easily but i can't ignore it because it's much worse for me. But aliasing alone is not the issue, there is also low draw distance and everything seems pixelated. I agree with @jinx33 that aliasing is not the only symptom that comes with this issue. 

 

That's why i tried to make everyone understand that there might be atleast 2 different cases of this issue happening. One is normal because some games do implement AA badly. But the issue comes when you have the other case which is much worse. It's even outside of game. Picture looks fuzzy/blurry even in bios logo. How can you explain that to be normal? That was the sole reason i tried to distinguish b/w these 2 cases. Because having experienced the normal aliasing i knew some people might be mixing up both these cases.

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I have the type which only happens on games, I also have low draw distance which happens on only a single game, i don't blame it on my computer because it is the known bug of the game.

You learn to live with this, I'm not even bothered with this that much. I agree that some games implement AA badly, and you are constantly searching for AA artifacts, you notice them a lot, on the flip side, some games which have decent AA also look bad, on some games you can minimize the effect with higher than average AA settings.

I don't think this is electrical, atleast the type that happens on only games, i have this problem on a laptop.

However the type that happens on everywhere including the BIOS screen might be electrical, so the different types may have different results behind them...

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Maybe whatever is wrong in Electricity is less intensity wise for some and for others the intensity is much high that's why for some it is noticeable in Bios logo and Windows. Also for some it's even affecting Consoles, TV, Phones.

All i know for sure that these symptoms(Low LOD, invisible bubble, pixelated characters, etc) are of Low Power Condition.

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Just to add that DOOM looks great because it implements 8x temporal anti-aliasing, which is the only thing that can cover up this issue. Go to graphics options and choose another AA algorythm and there will again be flickering.

 

 

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6 hours ago, PVLMFRUITS said:

So, I have really important News.

For me and for many others very good News, but probably less helpful to most.

Before someone judges prematurely, please read my story and accept the opinion and perception of another Person.

 

ATTENTION:

I have only the Problem with the jagged Lines and the jagged/flickering Shadows.

I have not the LOD Proplem or POP IN Proplem.

For me this Problem is solved.

I am sorry for all who unfortunately do not feel and think so.

 

As promised, I was visiting my friend today.

He is a very experienced PC Specialist and has put together several PC's for himself and others.

He has a lot of gaming experience.

Today we have done many Tests and compared Games, and to be honest, to put it bluntly: THERE IS NO PROPLEM.

His Pc is assembled by himself and he has been re-equipping it for several Years.

 

THE RESULT: He has the same Flicker, the same jagged Lines, the same jagged Shadows.

He has known it since the beginning, and it's different from Game to Game.

 

Your pc is okay.

There are people who do not know it differently, and there are people who will notice it at some point.

But this kind of jagged Lines has always been there.

He showed me his Nintendo Switch and it is now 3 weeks old.

And there too, Jagged Lines on Zelda Breath of the Wild.

It is quite normal because the switch simply has no decent edge smoothing.

One does not like it extremely on the other.

 

You fix yourself on it and you look for these jagged lines

This is not a Problem but simple aliasing Problems and bad game Programming.

we tested Doom 2016 because this Game was programmed very clean and ZACK, no jagged Lines no flicker, a clean Game.

OH GOD what  Graphics, I LOVE IT BABY

 

We have made various Settings in Nvidia Control Panel, and found out that each Game is better with different Settings.

There is not ONE Setting for all Games.

 

Skyrim has been fixed 100%

The Witcher 3 has been fixed 90%

Doom 2016 has not the jagged Lines.

Ni No Kuni 2 has been fixed 95%

Dragon Quest XI has been fixed 85%

Titanfall 2 has been fixed 95%

 

This thing can only be reduced with Settings and better Monitor.

But it can not be completely eliminated because there is no Proplem.

 

So please believe me, there is no Problem, it only arises in your minds.

For me, this problem is resolved and thus my work done.

I know that many of you will not appreciate this answer.

But I want you to know that it helped me.

 

ATTENTION:

I have only the Problem with the jagged Lines and the jagged/flickering Shadows.

I have not the LOD Proplem or POP IN Proplem.

For me this Problem is solved.

I am sorry for all who unfortunately do not feel and think so.

 

 

Greets

Well, I’m sorry but you’re wrong. I appreciate your kindness and your willingness to look into the issue, and I also appreciate how you didn’t just flat out say we’re Imagining things, but this is no figment of our imaginations. This is real. The fact that so many people have the same exact story (It happened overnight) is proof that it’s real. it also happens on games on my phone. I myself thought I may be going crazy until I found this forum. You can tweak settings to make it look less noticeable (which will lower performance) but trust me, it’s a REAL issue that IS there.

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On 8/10/2019 at 8:30 PM, jinx33 said:

I switched from a ROG laptop with a GTX 860M to a better computer with a GTX 1080Ti, problem remains the same, even thought i can now enjoy gaming in 2K/4K, and to be honest that's good enough for me.

do you notice something?

it has always been there but you did not notice it before

 

but I found something else while watching a video on youtube

see the font, what is this? aliasing?

 

Unbenannt.jpg

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I got a Theorie on what we actually expierience, how about its not AA but a luminosity issue, i got the idea because i noticed how only certain types of meshes and textures are flickering, like windows, thin objects, leaves or reflecting metalls and only when there is a big enough lightsource, still dont know how, but still might be something to investigate.

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Well, thin objects flicker because of the Moiree effect.

Which is normal. If the objects are thin enough, no amount of AA can counter that.

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5 hours ago, Bearhugger said:

Well, thin objects flicker because of the Moiree effect.

Which is normal. If the objects are thin enough, no amount of AA can counter that.

Yea but i am talking about a hole building sort of flickering when lit from the side or top.

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Nobody can convince me that this is normal graphics. Especially after I saw what it's supposed to look like when the computer was new. Just look at those houses...

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26 minutes ago, DaoNayt said:

 

Nobody can convince me that this is normal graphics. Especially after I saw what it's supposed to look like when the computer was new. Just look at those houses...

It definitly isn't the question is how it happend and why.

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1 hour ago, I_dont_know200 said:

It definitly isn't the question is how it happend and why.

Nobody knows and nobody important cares to know.

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Okay so I got my laptop yesterday and plugged it in at my shop and installed ruiner of all games....  I can say the desktop looks absolutely normal as well as the in-game graphics.  I will be installing multiple games this morning when I get to my shop and test them on break.  If everything goes as well as it already seems I’ll be taking the laptop home to test at my house. 

 

First I’ll test games already installed without being plugged in and without internet, then I’ll test with internet and then being plugged in.

 

This should give me a pretty good assumption as to what causes the issues.  

 

I’ll update you guys on all this later this evening.

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12 hours ago, DaoNayt said:

Nobody knows and nobody important cares to know.

Probably since this bug is very rare but we got it lol, i never even knew something like this bullshit exsisted until i had it.

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