Jagged Shadows,Pop in,Low LOD and jagged aa

[Harsh45]

On 8/4/2019 at 12:54 PM, PVLMFRUITS said:

A Youtuber says...

TECHNO STARTERSvor 5 Tagen

It turns out to be a voltage problem, check your display power cable isn't confused with cpu power cable, dont use display and cpu on single cable. If it solves must reply

This doesn’t make any sense...  are you explaining this properly?

[Harsh45]

Well I may have some good news,  I’m about to buy a gaming laptop with a full RTX 2080 not this max-q shit and it’ll set me back a cool 3K.  Good news is their 100% refund policy let’s you return it within 30 days for absolutely any reason.

 

The reason this is good news is because I’m going to be booting the thing up with internet at my shop 30min from my house,  I’ll be testing some games there.  I’ll try gaming without charging,  while charging and after charging to see if it all looks the same,  as normal.

 

Then I’ll head back to my house and test it without being plugged in,  while charging and after being charged.  This should give us all a good idea of WTF is really going on here.  If it fucks up after being plugged in then it’s electrical,  we’ll just have to see.  I’ll update you guys ASAP!

[Bearhugger]

Deal!

[darksquall]

Looking forward for your test Harsh , also stadia tests , mayby stadia is our chance.

[Harsh45]

I’ve got an UPDATE!  My laptop has shipped!  I’ll test ASAP!!!

 

Also,  I do have the founders edition for stadia and will definitely be testing that day 1.  

 

I’ll post here as soon as I am done testing.  

[Harsh45]

I just checked the UPS tracking,  should be here next Wednesday,  I’ll have info by Thursday.

[I_dont_know200]

Allright i had an Electrician here today, he said basically the same as all others (and ofcourse showing me the voltage etc), that electricity is probably not the issue, all of those experts said that, including some that usually do the wireing for big companies, honestly i dont know what to try now since this is such a weird problem.

[Meeseeks]

7 hours ago, I_dont_know200 said:

Allright i had an Electrician here today, he said basically the same as all others (and ofcourse showing me the voltage etc), that electricity is probably not the issue, all of those experts said that, including some that usually do the wireing for big companies, honestly i dont know what to try now since this is such a weird problem.

Did they test with oscilloscope or just a multimeter? Were they experienced in dealing with Power Quality issues and brought handheld Power Quality Analyzer with them. 

 

If they only checked voltages with a multimeter that means High Neutral Voltage is not the issue. There must be something else in Electricity. As i have mentioned before to test that we need advance equipment and someone with experience. A multimeter can only check for voltages. It can't check for other issues e.g. Harmonics, EMI, Waveform distortions, Transients, etc. They are mentioned in the following article:

https://www.apc.com/salestools/VAVR-5WKLPK/VAVR-5WKLPK_R1_EN.pdf

I am not sure if whatever it is in Electricity, whether it appears randomly or is always there. Also if it's affecting the whole city or just few houses connected to a transformer or just this house has something wrong like loose connection.  Also i am not sure if it's only coming in through power lines or from the environment or both. 

[PVLMFRUITS]

Hey Friends.

 

I have some news.

I was visiting my parents yesterday.

I used to have my own apartment there and used my old pc there for years.

At that Time I have never any problems, everything went wonderfully.

Yesterday I took my pc with me and tried it there, but the problem is still there.

I think the Electricity can be excluded.

 

On sunday i drive to a friend to perform many many tests.

He does not have this problem.

We will install exactly the same Games and will draw and document comparisons in exactly the same Places.

We will test different Hardware and do some Adjustments.

We create Screenshots, Videos and Documents and post them in different big Portals.

Boys we will make the matter Public.

 

We'll meet again on Monday.

Sry for my English, i'm from Germany.

 

 

[Meeseeks]

1 hour ago, PVLMFRUITS said:

Hey Friends.

 

I have some news.

I was visiting my parents yesterday.

I used to have my own apartment there and used my old pc there for years.

At that Time I have never any problems, everything went wonderfully.

Yesterday I took my pc with me and tried it there, but the problem is still there.

I think the Electricity can be excluded.

 

On sunday i drive to a friend to perform many many tests.

He does not have this problem.

We will install exactly the same Games and will draw and document comparisons in exactly the same Places.

We will test different Hardware and do some Adjustments.

We create Screenshots, Videos and Documents and post them in different big Portals.

Boys we will make the matter Public.

 

We'll meet again on Monday.

Sry for my English, i'm from Germany.

 

 

You brought your defective PC to your old house and friend's house hoping that it will be fixed there. I think that's what you did wrong. You should buy a new PC before testing it at a new/other place.

 

Edit: Comparing the results to prove that this issue is real is a good idea though.

[DaoNayt]

1 minute ago, Meeseeks said:

You brought your defective PC to your old house and friend's house hoping that it will be fixed there. I think that's what you did wrong. You should buy a new PC before testing it at a new place.

It's a good idea to make systematic comparisons.

[PVLMFRUITS]

25 minutes ago, Meeseeks said:

You should buy a new PC before testing it at a new/other place.

A new Pc just because of the jagged lines?

Sry but i don't have money for that.

And I find this Statement absolutely superfluous, I'm just trying to help everyone to have fun playing again.

[Meeseeks]

16 minutes ago, PVLMFRUITS said:

A new Pc just because of the jagged lines?

Sry but i don't have money for that.

And I find this Statement absolutely superfluous, I'm just trying to help everyone to have fun playing again.

Yeah this issue is absurd. I also can't spend money to buy a new PC because i know for certain that it will show the same symptoms and my money will be wasted. But i am trying to make everyone realise that this issue is not simple and buying a new pc at the same place where old pc got this issue might not be a good idea. 

I agree with you we were supposed to be playing games but we cannot play games even if we want to because of this issue/ugliness.

[I_dont_know200]

3 hours ago, Meeseeks said:

Did they test with oscilloscope or just a multimeter? Were they experienced in dealing with Power Quality issues and brought handheld Power Quality Analyzer with them. 

 

If they only checked voltages with a multimeter that means High Neutral Voltage is not the issue. There must be something else in Electricity. As i have mentioned before to test that we need advance equipment and someone with experience. A multimeter can only check for voltages. It can't check for other issues e.g. Harmonics, EMI, Waveform distortions, Transients, etc. They are mentioned in the following article:

https://www.apc.com/salestools/VAVR-5WKLPK/VAVR-5WKLPK_R1_EN.pdf

I am not sure if whatever it is in Electricity, whether it appears randomly or is always there. Also if it's affecting the whole city or just few houses connected to a transformer or just this house has something wrong like loose connection.  Also i am not sure if it's only coming in through power lines or from the environment or both. 

I didnt just speak with some normal electricians (that too yea) but i also talked to a bigger electrical installation company and he told me electricity as cause is very unlikely and that there are no known issues at the moment, but he also told me he had alot of mysterious stuff that had the weirdest reasons why it didnt function properly.

As some small reference they service electrical machines for production lines etc and even install wires for new buildings.

 

"There must be something else in Electricity" Thing is i cant go to a company and say this, they only awnser "no thats not possible" especially if you tell them that it still is there when you have it on devices that run of an akku.

[I_dont_know200]

2 hours ago, PVLMFRUITS said:

Hey Friends.

 

I have some news.

I was visiting my parents yesterday.

I used to have my own apartment there and used my old pc there for years.

At that Time I have never any problems, everything went wonderfully.

Yesterday I took my pc with me and tried it there, but the problem is still there.

I think the Electricity can be excluded.

 

On sunday i drive to a friend to perform many many tests.

He does not have this problem.

We will install exactly the same Games and will draw and document comparisons in exactly the same Places.

We will test different Hardware and do some Adjustments.

We create Screenshots, Videos and Documents and post them in different big Portals.

Boys we will make the matter Public.

 

We'll meet again on Monday.

Sry for my English, i'm from Germany.

 

 

 

Hopefully you get some attention with this.

[Asasinas]

I've got new motherboard (Gigabyte z390 Aorus Master), new processor (i9-9900k), CPU cooler (be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4), badass high-end PSU (Seasonic Prime 850W Titanium), new SSD (Samsung 860 Pro), did fresh install of Windows 10 and problems...are still there. It's basically a new PC. Not basically. IT IS a new PC. I bought new RAM (Corsair Vengeance RGP Pro) back in April and video card (MSI RTX 2080 Ti Gaming Trio) back in December.

 

I paid 1300$ for recent motherboard, CPU, cooler, PSU and SSD upgrade. As you can see, I have absolute top quality hardware possible. There is no reason to believe it's hardware problem.

 

That's it, guys. It's end of the line for me. Since changing all parts doesn't work, nothing will work. There is nothing else I could do.

 

This issue reminds me real life cancer: if you get this issue, you live with it. And all the troubleshooting we do is like chemotherapy - we change hardware, software, for some it works, for some does not. There is no real solution.

[jinx33]

I switched from a ROG laptop with a GTX 860M to a better computer with a GTX 1080Ti, problem remains the same, even thought i can now enjoy gaming in 2K/4K, and to be honest that's good enough for me.

 

I don't wanna lose my time looking for a solution without knowing where to even start, since it happened suddenly when i booted my laptop one morning, 3 years ago, and tried all i could. I feel bad for people trying to buy new and expensive hardware... and i don't think it's because of electricity either, that's just insane, and would damage more than your rendering.

 

As annoying as it is, i rather play than complain on something we can't even understand, and someday might fix by itself.

 

 

[PVLMFRUITS]

2 hours ago, Asasinas said:

That's it, guys. It's end of the line for me. Since changing all parts doesn't work, nothing will work. There is nothing else I could do.

 

This issue reminds me real life cancer: if you get this issue, you life with it. And all the troubleshooting we do is like chemotherapy - we change hardware, software, for some it works, for some does not. There is no real solution.

Please do not lose the Hope, It can not be that such a mistake comes overnight and

can not be fixed again.

There must be a cause for it and every cause can be solved.

 

Please do not lose the Hope Guys, PLEASE

[Pglew99]

Honestly, it’s hard not to give up hope. I’ve had this issue for the past 9 months, while some have had it for YEARS. It appears to occur at different times, and once it’s there, it’s to stay, and if you find a solution, God bless your soul, it can return at ANYTIME. It’s on my phone, Xbox, everything. The only option we have is to wait until it affects some famous person, maybe then the issue will be resolved.

[I_dont_know200]

Just a small idea here, how about we name the issue i mean like a term to refere too, if said term gets used commonly it will appear in search engines and will get widespread attention more easily, it would need to be something specific not as generel as we described it yet.

[Harsh45]

I should receive my high-end laptop on Wednesday.  The one thing I never did with all the newly built PCs I’ve made over the past few years was install windows 10 at a different location,  sounds stupid but when you buy a pre built PC like the laptop I just purchased you have to install updates,  all pre built PCs show up this way,  maybe something happens during that process dunno.  I do know that I will be testing this PC straight out the box at my shop and not my house.  All previous builds were first time booted from my house.  If the laptop runs fine at my shop and updates for windows and drivers and such keep the laptop acting normal while gaming (As I’m sure it will) I’ll then be taking it home to game on battery life, then plugged in and then charged while off and then tested again,  these different tasks should give me some sort of answer to it being either related to electrical issues, internet/modem/router issues or windows 10 issues. 

 

There is something behind all this bullshit and I’m going to hopefully get some sort of clue or answer.

 

I’ll hit you guys up when I’m done testing this shot Thursday of next week,  till then

[PVLMFRUITS]

So, I have really important News.

For me and for many others very good News, but probably less helpful to most.

Before someone judges prematurely, please read my story and accept the opinion and perception of another Person.

 

ATTENTION:

I have only the Problem with the jagged Lines and the jagged/flickering Shadows.

I have not the LOD Proplem or POP IN Proplem.

For me this Problem is solved.

I am sorry for all who unfortunately do not feel and think so.

 

As promised, I was visiting my friend today.

He is a very experienced PC Specialist and has put together several PC's for himself and others.

He has a lot of gaming experience.

Today we have done many Tests and compared Games, and to be honest, to put it bluntly: THERE IS NO PROPLEM.

His Pc is assembled by himself and he has been re-equipping it for several Years.

 

THE RESULT: He has the same Flicker, the same jagged Lines, the same jagged Shadows.

He has known it since the beginning, and it's different from Game to Game.

 

Your pc is okay.

There are people who do not know it differently, and there are people who will notice it at some point.

But this kind of jagged Lines has always been there.

He showed me his Nintendo Switch and it is now 3 weeks old.

And there too, Jagged Lines on Zelda Breath of the Wild.

It is quite normal because the switch simply has no decent edge smoothing.

One does not like it extremely on the other.

 

You fix yourself on it and you look for these jagged lines

This is not a Problem but simple aliasing Problems and bad game Programming.

we tested Doom 2016 because this Game was programmed very clean and ZACK, no jagged Lines no flicker, a clean Game.

OH GOD what  Graphics, I LOVE IT BABY

 

We have made various Settings in Nvidia Control Panel, and found out that each Game is better with different Settings.

There is not ONE Setting for all Games.

 

Skyrim has been fixed 100%

The Witcher 3 has been fixed 90%

Doom 2016 has not the jagged Lines.

Ni No Kuni 2 has been fixed 95%

Dragon Quest XI has been fixed 85%

Titanfall 2 has been fixed 95%

 

This thing can only be reduced with Settings and better Monitor.

But it can not be completely eliminated because there is no Proplem.

 

So please believe me, there is no Problem, it only arises in your minds.

For me, this problem is resolved and thus my work done.

I know that many of you will not appreciate this answer.

But I want you to know that it helped me.

 

ATTENTION:

I have only the Problem with the jagged Lines and the jagged/flickering Shadows.

I have not the LOD Proplem or POP IN Proplem.

For me this Problem is solved.

I am sorry for all who unfortunately do not feel and think so.

 

 

Greets

[jinx33]

As for aliasing and flicker maybe, and i say maybe it always been like this and never really paid attention, but as for draw distance being extremely low on every game, sorry, it's not always been the case. It goes for pop-ins and shadows not rendered properly, that bubble effect rendering everything out of it by a short distance low detailed. That is not normal.

 

But if you're convinced otherwise good for you, and as I said, this issue is not going to kill my hobby of playing video games, or i would have waste a great deal of money.. and time.

[PVLMFRUITS]

17 minutes ago, jinx33 said:

As for aliasing and flicker maybe, and i say maybe it always been like this and never really paid attention, but as for draw distance being extremely low on every game, sorry, it's not always been the case. It goes for pop-ins and shadows not rendered properly, that bubble effect rendering everything out of it by a short distance low detailed. That is not normal.

 

But if you're convinced otherwise good for you, and as I said, this issue is not going to kill my hobby of playing video games, or i would have waste a great deal of money.. and time.

Sry Friend, I have only the Problem with the jagged Lines.

For me this problem is solved.

I am sorry for all who unfortunately do not feel and think so.

 

EDIT:

So I'm playing skyrim right now and I have no jagged lines.

Nothing with the right Nvidia Control Panel Settings.

[I_dont_know200]

31 minutes ago, PVLMFRUITS said:

Sry Friend, I have only the Problem with the jagged Lines.

For me this problem is solved.

I am sorry for all who unfortunately do not feel and think so.

 

EDIT:

So I'm playing skyrim right now and I have no jagged lines.

Nothing with the right Nvidia Control Panel Settings.

Well i can tell you that this cant be since my Fallout 4 (same engine) looks terrible i mean hole building flickering terrible, no setting fixed that yet and i know for certain it was never like this i even saw videos where it just looks fine.